Are You Beach Body Ready?

POAH said:
excess fat and not enough meat is unhealthy. its pretty easy to see on people if they have too little or too much. Its not about being perfect what ever that is.

they should have used kelly for their ad

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My wife looks like her- in my dreams :)
Actually, she does :banana::banana::banana:
 
BintyMcFrazzles said:
I said she was thin, because she's....er...thin. I didn't say she was underweight.

And I maintain it's photoshopped. It's done everywhere in every single magazine or on every poster you'll ever read.



But young girls who are already thin, are starving themselves. The constant bombardment of criticism because you don't look perfect all of the time does affect young people (both girls and boys). As I said, there are young women I work with who look fine, but are obsessed by what they eat and obsessed if they miss one day at the gym. Some of them think they're fat, when they're not. This campaign for a "beach body" IS part of the problem.
Guess what? I'm not 5 foot 10, a size 8, aged 18 with perfect skin and glossy beautiful thick hair. Doesn't mean I'm unhealthy. But that is what young people are subject to.



Anyway, why don't all you men have 6 packs? That's healthy, and if you've not got one, you're just lazy and fat............Not nice, is it?
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And there you have it. I worked with young people for many many years and the messages they get from media today are creating problems. It is too simplistic to label fat people lazy, claim it’s just an advert and pretend it has no impact other than one’s own individual perspective. Young girls are sexualised by music videos which border on soft porn and images which constantly boost the message of what is an acceptable body type and appearance. What is happening to your daughters on a constant drip feed is appalling. It is not “just an advert”.
 
Chipper said:
It is not “just an advert”.
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It is because it gives a clue to how you could look. It entices you to find out how you could look like that. Just because it's a woman in the advert, it doesn't mean it won't make a man think he could do with getting in shape. Mind you having looked on the company's website and the prices they charge, the only weight loss people should be concerned about is from their pocket, purse or wallet.
 
So all these young girls being sexualised and 'made' to conform are rebelling by raising their BMI?
Looks like it's working :)
 
kendo1 said:
So all these young girls being sexualised and 'made' to conform are rebelling by raising their BMI?
Looks like it's working :)
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yeah thats the truth isn't it obesity is a major problem its not like we are overun by skinnies :)
 
All joking aside, it's another non black and white situation.
Dietary and health education, life style choices, peer pressure, advertising, TV and role models all come into play.

But, it still comes down to the individual's choice and resolve.
 
A clue how you could look?! And that's why it's not just an advert.... I saw what it has done so make jokes and pretend, maybe you haven't got anybody in your world to see the effects.
 
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Chipper said:
A clue how you could look?! And that's why it's not just an advert.... I saw what it has done so make jokes and pretend, maybe you haven't got anybody in your world to see the effects.
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I'm sorry but that is exactly what it is. It shows a healthy sized in a bikini and mentions the brand for a slimming product, enticing people to get fit and ready for the beach. It's not aimed at everybody. As I may have said earlier I've been going to the gym for over 25yrs, this time of year gyms see new members or even returning old members, intent on losing a few pounds of fat or trying to get in shape. This advert is merely trying to attract such people to their products. It has nothing to do with pressurising people into losing weight and ending up with eating disorders.
 
I don't see anything wrong here. I saw the ad every day on the tube and she looks normal and healthy to me. Don't get why some insist to say it is unattainable. We all get born like that and it is our choice what we do with our body there after. Looks good to me.
 
^Looks like you are missing the point from a blinkered viewpoint.
Easily led, quick to condemn for no reason.
What's the big deal? It's okay to be fat? Young girls are forced to diet to conform?

I must tell my daughter not to diet.
Oh, no. I don't have to. She goes to the gym every day and eats healthily. She goes to touch rugby, hockey and fencing when she's not at the gym.
My son does ju-jitsu 3 times a week, runs 4 times a week, goes to the gym for fun (!). He works at Virgin Active as a life guard between terms.
They both cook their own (healthy) meals at University where they are both studying Sport Science.

It's the way my wife and I brought them up, and part of their school ethos

They are not just exceptions. Their friends and flat mates are the same.

The ad has no effect on them whatsoever.
 
Chipper said:
You are missing the point... But I am not going to keep on repeating... Au revoir.
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Disagree. When I was young like the model used it was normal to look like that. Looks healthy and fit to me. Looking at my own children they would be exactly like that.

Sorry but if you instill at such young age that it is the norm to be heavy and overweight than that is too me where it is wrong. There is plenty of time for that in life when you get older.

I cant see anything more than a normal, fit and healthy girl promoting. Only thing dodgy to me is the supplements. Focus on a healthy outdoors lifestyle with lots of walking, cycling, fresh yummy food, and no smoking and drinking. It really isn't hard to stay that way when growing up.
 
Chipper said:
You are missing the point... But I am not going to keep on repeating... Au revoir.
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As Ken and JP have said it is you that is missing the point. Had the model been under weight, then yes I'd agree with your point, but she isn't, she is representative of a healthy size. So there is nothing to complain about, it most certainly is not setting a bad example, quite the opposite in fact. It's promoting being fit and healthy, whether people wish to use their supplements is up to them, but with a bit of effort and self control, it is achievable and healthy.
 
Hmm.. The problem is that it is not only adults who can take a reasoned view of this. The vast majority of women are size 14 and above and not altered in Photoshop or whatever. Young girls are very Imoressionable and they think that they have to look like this and that is the real problem. Nobody is suggesting that it is normal to be heavy and overweight; to expect this altered image to be considered normal and what young people should aspire to (and be objectified by) is the problem. You don't get it; in my professional life, I saw this and it's effects - triggering eating disorders etc. and I kept coming across low self esteem because they weren't airbrushed size 8s. And no, they weren't fat, obese etc; perfectly fine kids already Being impacted by some disingenuous marketing manager (I heard him being interviewed in radio 2).
 
Size 14 and above for the age of the model is way too big. No need for that. It should not be the norm. If it truly is than that is a much bigger problem than this ad is. In my opinion you are looking at small issues and cant see the big problem. We are not supposed to be that big.
 
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dejongj said:
Size 14 and above for the age of the model is way too big. No need for that. It should not be the norm. If it truly is than that is a much bigger problem than this add is. In my opinion you are looking at small issues and cant see the big problem. We are not supposed to be that big.
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Do you mean English size 14? Or American size 14? If you mean English, do you seriously think size 14 is too big? Should "not be the norm"? I'm size 12 to 14 (mostly 14) and am the right weight for my height! My BMI is within the "normal" range. No wonder women who have a "normal" BMI see themselves as fat with that attitude. How insulting and ignorant.
I'm not talking about promoting obesity or being overweight, either. I am neither.

And yes I do know obesity is a problem, I work in the NHS.
 
Size 14 but what height??

Big difference between a 5 ft size 14 and a 6ft size 14
 
HuntingMartians said:
I don't think being thin, fit and healthy is a problem in this country. However the 66% that are overweight or obese, now that is probably where the problem lies.
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Indeed. But size 14 is not overweight if you're of average height.
Anyway, it's not about being a couple of pound or half a stone overweight, far too many people are massively obese. Not just obese, but people whose weight doesn't fit on conventional scales.
 
Chipper said:
Hmm.. The problem is that it is not only adults who can take a reasoned view of this. The vast majority of women are size 14 and above and not altered in Photoshop or whatever. Young girls are very Imoressionable and they think that they have to look like this and that is the real problem. Nobody is suggesting that it is normal to be heavy and overweight; to expect this altered image to be considered normal and what young people should aspire to (and be objectified by) is the problem. You don't get it; in my professional life, I saw this and it's effects - triggering eating disorders etc. and I kept coming across low self esteem because they weren't airbrushed size 8s. And no, they weren't fat, obese etc; perfectly fine kids already Being impacted by some disingenuous marketing manager (I heard him being interviewed in radio 2).
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If the model has indeed been photoshopped, someone has gone to great lengths to photoshop every single photo of her, Just put her name into Google images and see for yourself. But your still acting as if her body size is an unachievable unhealthy size when it isn't. All you are indeed saying is, healthy slim people should keep their bodies hidden, it's not adverts like this that is telling the kids they are overweight, it's usually cruel bitchy supposed friends.
 
BintyMcFrazzles said:
Do you mean English size 14? Or American size 14? If you mean English, do you seriously think size 14 is too big? Should "not be the norm"? I'm size 12 to 14 (mostly 14) and am the right weight for my height! My BMI is within the "normal" range. No wonder women who have a "normal" BMI see themselves as fat with that attitude. How insulting and ignorant.
I'm not talking about promoting obesity or being overweight, either. I am neither.

And yes I do know obesity is a problem, I work in the NHS.
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English size 14, and specifically in context of that model and her age....
 
nilagin said:
If the model has indeed been photoshopped, someone has gone to great lengths to photoshop every single photo of her, Just put her name into Google images and see for yourself. But your still acting as if her body size is an unachievable unhealthy size when it isn't. All you are indeed saying is, healthy slim people should keep their bodies hidden, it's not adverts like this that is telling the kids they are overweight, it's usually cruel bitchy supposed friends.
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Indeed, and in my experience the cruelty starts with the immediate family who encourage to eat that bit more, who stuff their children with sugarly drinks...I was at Vauxhall tube on Friday and the sugary smell coming from a drink a seriously big young girl in front of me was drinking was just overwhelming....

This is turning in a mad world when a perfectly normal and ordinary sized young girl is seen as unattainable...Pure madness and rather worrying...
 
What doesn't help is pricing of food and drink. In the vending machines at work a small bag of unsalted nuts is more expensive than the chocolate bars or bars and a small bottle of water more expensive than a can of fizz.
 
Tap water and a banana are pretty reasonably priced snacks.
 
nilagin said:
What doesn't help is pricing of food and drink. In the vending machines at work a small bag of unsalted nuts is more expensive than the chocolate bars or bars and a small bottle of water more expensive than a can of fizz.
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Vending machines and cafeterias and coffee shops and motorway services are very odd places.....I tend to bring my own water and fill it up myself and bring some fruit....And if it doesn't rain :) I'll walk instead of taking the tube, saves money as well and in time seems to make no difference...

My point being that there are so many very cheap, much cheaper actually, ways. But granted, less convenient at times. No problem with convenience as long as people are honest about it....
 
dejongj said:
Vending machines and cafeterias and coffee shops and motorway services are very odd places.....I tend to bring my own water and fill it up myself and bring some fruit....And if it doesn't rain :) I'll walk instead of taking the tube, saves money as well and in time seems to make no difference...

My point being that there are so many very cheap, much cheaper actually, ways. But granted, less convenient at times. No problem with convenience as long as people are honest about it....
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Actually, Gloucester Services is brilliant...One big farm shop, lovely lovely healthy options, but a very big wallet is required. I love their venison burgers, so nice and lean and very very tasty.....
 
dejongj said:
English size 14, and specifically in context of that model and her age....
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I agree about the age-thing. When I was her age (20ish?) I was a size 8 to 10. However, it does depend on her height. If she's 5ft 11 (most models are tall), then a size 14, even at that age, would be healthy.

I work in a certain trust in the NHS I will not name. The canteen (privately-owned) has appalling food.

The breakfasts are over-priced cereal or a cheap(ish) cooked breakfast. Cheap and nasty catering over-cooked salty bacon, sausages that barely contain the EU-minimum standard 42% "meat" and are over-cooked. Sometimes black pudding that you could have someone's eye out with. Greasy hash browns. You can still get a cheaper cooked and better breakfast at a cafe, but as we only have 20 mins for breakfast break (30 mins unofficially), we can't leave.

The lunch time menu has one vegetarian option, which is usually pasta with vegetables and cheese, and it looks like slop. You usually get something wrapped in pastry. Or there is a cheap meat sloppy stodgy pasta dish - with lots of cheese and more slop. There is usually chips on. Often this is the only carb choice. What looks like tinned vegetables. Beans. Bisto-style gravy. And this is during the week, which is obviously catering for the Mon-Fri workers. Over the weekend, there is less. The vegetarian option is usually chips and beans at the weekend.

There have been a couple of privately-owned shops opened: A subway-style sandwich shop which serves stodgy sandwiches. There is a Greggs-style-everything-we-sell-is-wrapped-in-pastry-shop. A Costa (£4.50 for a sandwich), and you spend 10 mins waiting. There has been an M&S food recently opened, which is expensive, but the food is quite nice. Can't afford to shop there everyday.

Most of the private shops are closed over the weekends, because obviously everyone in a hospital works Mon-Fri 9 to 5, don't they?

There is literally NOTHING open over a night shift, because, again, everyone goes home at 5pm in a hospital. You HAVE to take your own food for a night shift, unless you want crisps, chocolate and a can of pop from a vending machine. You can't get even get a cup of tea.
I feel sorry for the poor barstewards who have been called in late at night because a member of their family is suddenly critically ill, and we end up giving them our tea from our staff (that we pay for) tea fund.



Oooo, I did go on a bit then......my point was about crap, unhealthy food being the only option in our hospital. Hardly health promotion, is it?
 
BintyMcFrazzles said:
Oooo, I did go on a bit then......my point was about crap, unhealthy food being the only option in our hospital. Hardly health promotion, is it?
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So, what's so difficult about taking you're own healthy food? Why blame someone else for the food you put in your body? Hospitals are notorious for only having processed or vending machine 'food'.
I take home made sandwiches and fruit to wherever I'm working each day. My wife takes a lunch box with salads or couscous or whatever.
 
BintyMcFrazzles said:
I agree about the age-thing. When I was her age (20ish?) I was a size 8 to 10. However, it does depend on her height. If she's 5ft 11 (most models are tall), then a size 14, even at that age, would be healthy.

I work in a certain trust in the NHS I will not name. The canteen (privately-owned) has appalling food.

The breakfasts are over-priced cereal or a cheap(ish) cooked breakfast. Cheap and nasty catering over-cooked salty bacon, sausages that barely contain the EU-minimum standard 42% "meat" and are over-cooked. Sometimes black pudding that you could have someone's eye out with. Greasy hash browns. You can still get a cheaper cooked and better breakfast at a cafe, but as we only have 20 mins for breakfast break (30 mins unofficially), we can't leave.

The lunch time menu has one vegetarian option, which is usually pasta with vegetables and cheese, and it looks like slop. You usually get something wrapped in pastry. Or there is a cheap meat sloppy stodgy pasta dish - with lots of cheese and more slop. There is usually chips on. Often this is the only carb choice. What looks like tinned vegetables. Beans. Bisto-style gravy. And this is during the week, which is obviously catering for the Mon-Fri workers. Over the weekend, there is less. The vegetarian option is usually chips and beans at the weekend.

There have been a couple of privately-owned shops opened: A subway-style sandwich shop which serves stodgy sandwiches. There is a Greggs-style-everything-we-sell-is-wrapped-in-pastry-shop. A Costa (£4.50 for a sandwich), and you spend 10 mins waiting. There has been an M&S food recently opened, which is expensive, but the food is quite nice. Can't afford to shop there everyday.

Most of the private shops are closed over the weekends, because obviously everyone in a hospital works Mon-Fri 9 to 5, don't they?

There is literally NOTHING open over a night shift, because, again, everyone goes home at 5pm in a hospital. You HAVE to take your own food for a night shift, unless you want crisps, chocolate and a can of pop from a vending machine. You can't get even get a cup of tea.
I feel sorry for the poor barstewards who have been called in late at night because a member of their family is suddenly critically ill, and we end up giving them our tea from our staff (that we pay for) tea fund.



Oooo, I did go on a bit then......my point was about crap, unhealthy food being the only option in our hospital. Hardly health promotion, is it?
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To be honest, all of that tells me that people should be taking their own food to work. Third party food outlets can't be blamed.
And I say this as an obese person.
 
kendo1 said:
So, what's so difficult about taking you're own healthy food? Why blame someone else for the food you put in your body? Hospitals are notorious for only having processed or vending machine 'food'.
I take home made sandwiches and fruit to wherever I'm working each day. My wife takes a lunch box with salads or couscous or whatever.
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I always take my own food to work. At my previous location, we had a fridge, a fridge / freezer, two microwaves a George Forman style grill, a couple of toasters and an oven in our rest room which made it easier, none of the above where I am now so I prepare all meals at home. I can't remember the last time I bought food at work. The only time I go near the vending machines is I get the job of giving it a good shake when the turn screw doesn't dispense someone's sweets or crisps properly.
 
nilagin said:
I always take my own food to work. At my previous location, we had a fridge, a fridge / freezer, two microwaves a George Forman style grill, a couple of toasters and an oven in our rest room which made it easier, none of the above where I am now so I prepare all meals at home. I can't remember the last time I bought food at work. The only time I go near the vending machines is I get the job of giving it a good shake when the turn screw doesn't dispense someone's sweets or crisps properly.
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:)
I work in customer's homes, so there aren't many vending machines about. Free teas and coffee though!
 
kendo1 said:
So, what's so difficult about taking you're own healthy food? Why blame someone else for the food you put in your body? Hospitals are notorious for only having processed or vending machine 'food'.
I take home made sandwiches and fruit to wherever I'm working each day. My wife takes a lunch box with salads or couscous or whatever.
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I'm not "blaming", I'm just telling the situation at work to add to the debate. The point is, if you're called in as an emergency as a relative, it's expensive and crap, and you are a captive audience as there is nowhere else to go in the area. Yes, you can blame third-party outlets, as there is no other choice in certain circumstances. The hospital should be promoting healthy eating.

I take my own food 90% of the time if it's a day shift, and 100% of the time on a night shift.
 
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