Are The Police Stupid Or Corrupt

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With all the publicity about Section 44 even the densest plod must know the law by now but still events like the following happen,it makes you wonder if they are corrupt and blatantly ignoring the law

"Monday 6th September 2010
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A newspaper photographer has told how she was threatened with arrest and forced to delete images she had taken at the scene of a shooting in East London.

The National Union of Journalists (NUJ) has hit out at the Metropolitan Police after photographer Carmen Valino said she was stopped from doing her job despite identifying herself as a journalist to police officers in Hackney on Saturday.

Valino said she was photographing the crime scene from outside a police cordon.

'A police sergeant approached Valino telling her that she was disrupting a police investigation and to hand over her camera,' reported the London Photographers' Branch of the NUJ.

'After protesting to the sergeant that she was in a public place - outside the cordon where he had no right to take her camera - he grabbed her wrist and pulled out his handcuffs. Before he could put the cuffs on she handed him her camera.

'He then left her for five minutes before coming back, bringing Valino inside the cordon and asking her to show him the images and deleting them. Valino was told she could come back in a few hours to photograph the scene.'

NUJ General Secretary Jeremy Dear said: 'The abuse of the law must stop. There is a gulf between photographers' legal rights and the current practices of individual police officers.

'The police should uphold the law, not abuse it - photographers acting in the public interest deserve better.'

Fellow photographers were quick to express their dismay at the news.

Writing on the London Photographers' Branch comment page, Andrew Denny said: 'It's not just the deleted pictures or the inconvenience/annoyance which is the issue. In fact, that's a relatively minor point. 'It's the increasing pressure on photographers to justify themselves and the intimidation which is the problem. It's making me more nervous to use a camera at all in a public place - even a phone camera.'

Valino had been on assignment for the Hackney Gazette. Police have issued a statement.

It reads:

'Hackney Police is aware of the incident and is currently looking into the circumstances. 'It is clearly not the intention of the MPS to prevent people taking photographs. Our officers do receive guidance around the issue of photography through briefings and internal communications and we continue to drive this work forward.

'It is therefore disappointing when this guidance in not followed correctly.'

The spokesman said any complaint about police treatment of photographers will be taken 'very seriously' and 'dealt with appropriately'.
 
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:naughty: :police: :runaway:
 
Would go onto add that not everyone is perfect, people make mistakes.

If I was investigating a shooting perhaps I would be concentrating more on that than worrying about a reporter:shrug:
 
It's a newspaper, they're about making money first and printing the truth second, this is half a story (the journalist's!) and the police fobbed them off with a generic statement as they've got better things to do.
 
With all the publicity about Section 44 even the densest plod must know the law by now but still events like the following happen,it makes you wonder if they are corrupt and blatantly ignoring the law

Monday 6th September 2010
rights watch

Nice to know that they stay up-to-date and abreast of the news:

The incident happened on Saturday 31 July as Valino photographed a crime scene from outside the police cordon whilst on assignment from the Hackney Gazette.

http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=1698

and originally

http://londonphotographers.org/tag/carmen-valino/

They aren't watching people's rights very closely are they?

This is exactly how one incident gets reported about 6 times, especially with AP 4 weeks behind the News curve!
 
Clearly neither from this one sided report.

Every police action is not a conspiracy against photography.
 
Surely the photographer could then recover the deleted images using one of the many recovery apps?
This is not doubt beside the point (photographers rights and the law), but at least she could still have the images.
 
Both actually, at almost every station but... though there are both the corrupt, idiots and jumped up hitlers suffering from some kind of penis envy they are outnumbered by the good ones.

In my personal experience there are more of the useless ones who are sure they are always right amongst the ranks of the plastic police (PCSO's) they are the worst, and the old adage of a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing was never truer than with this lot.

My experience with them is varied from reporting incidents, coming forward as a witness to being the victim of incidents, and finally threatened, harassed and called a paedophile by an off duty cop for photographing my niece (at her request) in a public park.
 
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This is only of side of the story of course and it's inappropriate to judge the police on this (as the title seems to).
 
What a shame Nobbies on the beat have the power to destroy criminal evidence at their own discretion.

Or do they :suspect: :nono:
 
hey everyone.. grab the tar and the brushes, we've got wild accusations to make!

Hardly wild accusations. The police haven't denied the incident, in fact they appear to have acknowledged wrong doing.

No police officer has the right to take your equipment or delete images. Personally I would have allowed myself to be arrested before complying with this.

Sometimes they are right and others they are wrong - this is the later.
 
Yawn. This again........

Can we have a 'Paranoia' section so we can dump all these threads in there?
 
Yawn. This again........

Can we have a 'Paranoia' section so we can dump all these threads in there?

Whats paranoid about endless stories in the Photo and Non Photo press about Police and PCSO's ignoring the law and guidance from the Home Office and Senior officers about where and when people are allowed to take photographs
 
There are always going to be the odd incident here and there about an officer or PCSO getting it wrong but if they reports the many thousands of incidents where they get it right people would be bored and not read the paper. Look at other jobs like pit person in formula 1..... They are the cream of their profession but on occasion someone will get something wrong making a split second decision etc. This is called life, get over it..... This officer, it would appear, got it wrong. He will no doubt not get it wrong again and the reporter got his story.
 
Whats paranoid about endless stories in the Photo and Non Photo press about Police and PCSO's ignoring the law and guidance from the Home Office and Senior officers about where and when people are allowed to take photographs

Because none of us are likely to be affected by this.

99% of police DO know the law in relation to this, the fact the press pick up on ONE misreported incident (in this case) there is no reason to worry at all.

Police across the country interact with thousands of 'togs each day, literally, without issue, be it hobbists or professionals, there really is no need to wind ourselves up with this.

Come on guys, relax.

Also, dont forget a lot of police officers are members here, after a hard days work the last thing they want when they log on to their favourite website is a load of misinformed people slating them personally, and their entire profession based on some silly little media reports!
 
Edit - see what you mean Neil, ignore this post!
 
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I would love to see one :)

It would be the busiest forum! I honesty think this site is being used as therapy for an out of hours metal heath team sometimes...... :lol:
 
It would be the busiest forum! I honesty think this site is being used as therapy for an out of hours metal heath team sometimes...... :lol:


If you really want to have a good giggle, go and see what happens on similar threads on DPR once the Yanks start spouting off! Talk about ultimate paranoia!
 
I posed it as a question not an accusation

There was no question mark so it effectively read - "stupid or corrupt - you choose".

Quite offensive for those in the profession, but that was likely the aim.
 
If you really want to have a good giggle, go and see what happens on similar threads on DPR once the Yanks start spouting off! Talk about ultimate paranoia!
Yilkes, don't get me started on that one, please.

I stumbled across a saying the other day, on the web, and I was dumbstruck.

It was a comment from an American, about Americans and their history/uniqueness/culture. The expression used was; American Exceptionalism.

Look it up on Wiki.... talk about pompous, self importance and arrogance of the highest order.
 
Shall I pop down the road and ask my mate Phil if as a police Sergeant he thinks its a wild accusation

I think he'll say it is a wild accusation somehow? Why bother posting that?
 
I think he'll say it is a wild accusation somehow? Why bother posting that?

Because I got the feeling that responses to the post were intimating that I was anti Police,in fact I am incredibly pro Police and its cases like this whereby they get a bad name due to the actions of a few who may be stupid or more worryingly may be corrupt
 
"...With all the publicity about Section 44 even the densest plod must know the law by now but still events like the following happen,it makes you wonder if they are corrupt and blatantly ignoring the law..."
Would everyone who find the officer's actions 'stupid' or 'corrupt' be able to remember EVERY aspect of their own occupation's rules and regulations?

Just a thought... :thinking:
 
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Because I got the feeling that responses to the post were intimating that I was anti Police,in fact I am incredibly pro Police and its cases like this whereby they get a bad name due to the actions of a few who may be stupid or more worryingly may be corrupt

If you are illustrating the point that a FEW officers create a bad name, why are you tying them all with the same negative brush firstly with the title of your thread, then the contents of the posts themselves? The whole thing is anti police, especially from you.

There are actually anti police sites that people who persist with these silly threads can post on. They are not nice as they are filled with people on licence having been released from prison early, but thats the best place for threads like these.
 
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out of interest, how many people in this thread have actually had reasonable issues with the police?

I'll stick my hand up to that one. Not photography related but we had a complaint upheld after my wife and at the time 6 week old daughter were assaulted following a minor RTA. Police officer stood 50 yards away directing rugby crowds. Fat useless fool.

Have also been stopped by a PCSO for carrying my camera(s) to a wedding venue that the shortest walk for me involves a footpath through a park.
 
out of interest, how many people in this thread have actually had reasonable issues with the police?

I've had an officer aggressively tell me off for flashing someone in an X5 trying to run me off the road. His sergent was being very helpful when receiving my complaint though, so didn't take it further.

I'm very pro police generally, just think there aren't enough of them, especially traffic police. Other than the above have had several positive dealings with them.
 
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