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IIRC, I made the suggestion. I think I qualified it by saying IF the powers that be are completely sure he's the responsible person, he should have his nadgers wired up. Unfortunately, it now seems that the likelihood is that the poor girl is no longer alive, so, if he gets convicted, the least he can do is give the family closure by telling them where he disposed of the body. He may well do so with no torture but, if he doesn't, maybe it should be an option?
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This is all very silly.
A man has been charged, presumably because the police and CPS BELIEVE that he is guilty and that there is sufficient evidence to convict him. But we don't know whether he really is guilty or not, and even if he is guilty then he has the same human rights as everyone else.
The conduct of the police is highly regulated (PACE and HRA) for a good reason.
As for him not giving the family closure by revealing where the body is, if there is a body, and if he is actually guilty, that's just speculation. We don't know what he has or hasn't told the police. It's possible that if he is guilty, he threw the body in the river, in which case it may be many miles from where he threw it in.
All that we actually know is that a young child has gone missing and that the police believe that she has been murdered and that they believe they have the person responsible (or one of the people responsible). Everything else is just speculation.
A man has been charged, presumably because the police and CPS BELIEVE that he is guilty and that there is sufficient evidence to convict him. But we don't know whether he really is guilty or not, and even if he is guilty then he has the same human rights as everyone else.
The conduct of the police is highly regulated (PACE and HRA) for a good reason.
As for him not giving the family closure by revealing where the body is, if there is a body, and if he is actually guilty, that's just speculation. We don't know what he has or hasn't told the police. It's possible that if he is guilty, he threw the body in the river, in which case it may be many miles from where he threw it in.
All that we actually know is that a young child has gone missing and that the police believe that she has been murdered and that they believe they have the person responsible (or one of the people responsible). Everything else is just speculation.
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it's easy to have a calm and logical opinion when you're not part of a small, close-knit community that's been rocked to it's foundations over the last week.
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According to the press, the gentleman who threw the bottle had travelled from Birmingham to do so, and his personal involvement is limited to having a neice of a similar age...
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Just a general thug then........ :shake:
OK.... *IF* it was a member of April's community/family then I could understand (but not necessarily condone) the actions seen on the news, otherwise I would agree with it being lynch mob mentality.
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Some of the (barely legible) garbage being spouted on the copious Facebook groups is terrifying, presumably those advocating torture are the same people who accuse 'the Muslims' of being backward in their views every time a story surfaces about stoning in Saudi Arabia. One post today said 'He's been charged so what next, sentencing?'. I despair.
Sky lanterns - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-19879159.
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I still don't quite understand how they have charged him with murder and perverting the course of justice by disposing of the body when they haven't even found a body yet, very strange
I do hope they have caught the right guy, because if not this will not end well for the Police Force
But as said above, we don't know what he might have told the Police or what evidence they might have already found
I do hope they have caught the right guy, because if not this will not end well for the Police Force
But as said above, we don't know what he might have told the Police or what evidence they might have already found
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I agree. It would be very strange if they charged him without sufficient evidence.
These were a few shots I took last night. The sky lanterns being released. It was warming to see our local community coming out to support April's family
http://www.pbase.com/caeclyd/lanterns_for_april_jones
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What amazes me is, guilty or innocent, this man has had has name, picture and where he lives plastered across every national news outlet there is. Of course, if he's found guilty he deserves everyone to know what he's done, but that's a long way from a sure thing for now and there's still a very real possibility he'll be innocent and if that happens his image, reputation and life will be damaged beyond all repair. How it's allowed I just don't know!
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I've been saying all along, my feeling is that there's more to this than meets the eye.
Perhaps he has already confessed to what he's done? That's obviously speculation but who know.
I really can't believe the police would allow this guys face to be plastered all over the media if they weren't in possession of evidence that all but proves he did it.
The police aren't going to reveal their evidence just to satisfy the curiosity of the media and the public. This will - or should be - disclosed to the defence.
OTOH, I do find the amount of exposure about Bridger disquieting. He has been charged, but is innocent until convicted, and what purpose was served by this? It smacks of a police PR exercise.
OTOH, I do find the amount of exposure about Bridger disquieting. He has been charged, but is innocent until convicted, and what purpose was served by this? It smacks of a police PR exercise.
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So this guy has been jailed for 12 weeks - how pointless. While I am not supporting what he has done, I would argue he is far less of a public menace that many of the people you see on the various cop shows who get away scot free or with a small fine because they have stolen or been violent.
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I thought he'd been remanded in custody for 12 weeks? How/why is that pointless?
In the mean time the police will carry on (hopefully) gathering evidence against him which will be presented at his trial and (again hopefully) if found guilty will be given a life sentence.
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I think life imprisonment for a Facebook page is a little on the harsh side....
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Ahhh right... I spend a bit of time replying and may have missed that important morcel of information
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12 weeks for a recycled Sickapedia joke.
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They did say it was more for his protection than anything else though as there was a baying mob outside his house
The way the UK media goes, everyone will have forgotten about it by the time he gets out
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Lol. Yes, although I am struggling to understand what perverting the course of justice means. Surely by pleading not guilty when u are could be perverting the course of justice? Or throwing the murder weapon away???
All I can think of is that there must be her DNA in say the car boot and/or her blood in his car. Aside from that I can't see how else u can be charged for murder with no body, and from what it looks like no witnesses to the crime?
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Again, this is obviously just speculation as that's all we have at the moment, but if we are talking about perverting the course of justice, it could be that the evidence the police have is solid, but he refuses to give up her location, perhaps....
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The police will know a lot more than we do, and obviously believe they can charge him
I was reading about the Soham murders recently, and it transpired that the police found the red football tops the girls were wearing very early on in the search, in the college where Huntley worked. They kept this quiet, people were still searching for the girls alive at this point.
What they didn't have were the bodies, but presumably enough DNA on the discovered shirts to arrest and charge Huntley.
It's entirely possible the police have found clothing or something similar in this case too, they just don't want to shout about it in the media.
I was reading about the Soham murders recently, and it transpired that the police found the red football tops the girls were wearing very early on in the search, in the college where Huntley worked. They kept this quiet, people were still searching for the girls alive at this point.
What they didn't have were the bodies, but presumably enough DNA on the discovered shirts to arrest and charge Huntley.
It's entirely possible the police have found clothing or something similar in this case too, they just don't want to shout about it in the media.
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Quite upsetting this happening. Being a Dad to a girl really hits home. I was actually travelling to Barmouth on holiday and went through Machynlleth 3 hours before it all happened.
On the way back we did see a helicopter on the sand on the estuary then it took off and a search boat went flat out to where the helicopter landed. The helicopter took off and was searching up and down the Estuary. I traveled via train.
On the way back we did see a helicopter on the sand on the estuary then it took off and a search boat went flat out to where the helicopter landed. The helicopter took off and was searching up and down the Estuary. I traveled via train.
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Agree totally....the guy is a compete **** for what he did obviously. But a 12 week prison sentence for a sick remark? Madness. Thats all it is, a remark. Sick yes, but ignore a troll and they go away.
"Sticks and Stones" and all that..
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A witness saw a man matching Bridger's description scrambling down the side of the riverbank with a black holdall the night April went missing. Perhaps they have evidence from that area which is one of the ones they have concentrated alot on.
Also, the police didn't really have much choice but to announce that it was him they had arrested because he had already been named by locals within an hour of his arrest and they all know where he lives, the locals gave all this info to the media. Bit difficult for the police to keep it quiet after that.
Also, the police didn't really have much choice but to announce that it was him they had arrested because he had already been named by locals within an hour of his arrest and they all know where he lives, the locals gave all this info to the media. Bit difficult for the police to keep it quiet after that.
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What panther_87k is correct, in the first few hours, what the press actually said was a man had been arrested, named locally as .........
In other words, the press did what the press do and asked the locals who got nicked. There's nothing Police can do to control that, and there's nothing unlawful in it.
Police did later name him, which again is perfectly lawful, he'd been arrested, nothing more. If the press and or public want to take an inference from arrest, then again, Police are not in a position to control that. Even if they were, would it be right in a free country?
Strangely, those that are complaining about his name being released, didn't see the issue when, say a police officer is named when an allegation is made against him, even though he hasn't been arrested. If you want anonymity for one, it has to be for all.
Can we clear something up, the Police didn't decide to charge him,the CPS did. Therefore the CPS believe there is evidence sufficient to support a charge.
The fact a person has been charged is a matter of public record, and therefore can be reported. The press reporting of that is the decision of the press, it has nothing to do with Police, and therefore cannot be a 'Police PR stunt'.
In other words, the press did what the press do and asked the locals who got nicked. There's nothing Police can do to control that, and there's nothing unlawful in it.
Police did later name him, which again is perfectly lawful, he'd been arrested, nothing more. If the press and or public want to take an inference from arrest, then again, Police are not in a position to control that. Even if they were, would it be right in a free country?
Strangely, those that are complaining about his name being released, didn't see the issue when, say a police officer is named when an allegation is made against him, even though he hasn't been arrested. If you want anonymity for one, it has to be for all.
Can we clear something up, the Police didn't decide to charge him,the CPS did. Therefore the CPS believe there is evidence sufficient to support a charge.
The fact a person has been charged is a matter of public record, and therefore can be reported. The press reporting of that is the decision of the press, it has nothing to do with Police, and therefore cannot be a 'Police PR stunt'.