April Jones

According to a local guy who is part of the search (a local shooter who knows the area well and knows both the family and the suspect) the public, or at least those like him who are outdoor people who have special local knowledge, are back in the search.

He says that the search conditions are hazardous and exhausting, there is a network of local rivers, all in flood, the weather is against them and anything thrown into the river network is likely to be a very long way away by now. It seems, sadly, that whilst they live in hope, the searchers are now expecting the worst.
 
Garry Edwards said:
According to a local guy who is part of the search (a local shooter who knows the area well and knows both the family and the suspect) the public, or at least those like him who are outdoor people who have special local knowledge, are back in the search.

He says that the search conditions are hazardous and exhausting, there is a network of local rivers, all in flood, the weather is against them and anything thrown into the river network is likely to be a very long way away by now. It seems, sadly, that whilst they live in hope, the searchers are now expecting the worst.
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Is it not usually the case that the first 12 hours are seen as the most critical in getting a favourable outcome. Thereafter hope of finding a missing child alive rapidly takes a severe turn for the worse.
 
They seem pretty focused on that landrover, so maybe something on or in it has give them enough reason to suspect he has murderd her.

It was in a repair garage, so possible he was trying to cover something up, damage from off roading for example.

Again it's all speculation, but I feel it highly unlikely the girl will be found alive now.
 
Simmotino said:
With any luck they'll wire Kay Burley up as well. Disgraceful 'journalism' :shake:
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Why ? what did she do/say then ? i did see some of her coverage, but I've obviously missed something.
 
TG. said:
Why ? what did she do/say then ? i did see some of her coverage, but I've obviously missed something.
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Broke the news to April's godmother that the police were expecting her to be dead live on air, then asked her for a comment :shake:
 
Not quite how it was..
She was talking to someone else about the announcement the police had made, the woman and another person were stood to the side and the reporter moved over to them and asked what they thought of the news.
As it happened, the two woman hadn't yet heard the latest news from the police.
Hardly the reporters fault.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reaking-news-April-Jones-murder-live-air.html
 
Ruffy said:
That's what I thought but it makes no difference arresting him for another offence, time limit is still the same :(
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Time limit is still the same but IIRC, the clock gets reset back to zero.
 
Time limit is still the same but IIRC, the clock gets reset back to zero.
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No, the time limits are calculated from time of original arrest. A subsequent arrest while still in custody and for essentially the same set of circumstances (ie like this one where abduction investigation turns up enough to add suspicion of murder in) makes no difference to that.

What is more worrying and also not understood, is that should there not be sufficient evidence to charge him around 5pm tomorrow night, he walks. BUT if more evidence comes to light later, he cannot be arrested and interviewed about this incident, he would have to be charged. Thats fine if its unequivocal evidence, but clearly not if it isn't.
 
As of 5pm this evening the police were given another 24 hours to question him
 
Surely the police can apply to Magistrates for an extension - up to a total of 60 hours I believe?

I would have thought, in such a serious case, that such an application would be very likely to succeed
 
Garry
Its 5 days, and as I recall he was nicked at 5pm on Tuesday. It therefore expires tomorrow at 5pm.
Terrorists can be held for 7 days, subject to the same extension criteria, ie application to a Magistrate
 
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Can he be held in protective custody ?

Not so sure it will be safe to let him out.
 
Police statement being made at 15.00, I know we all have to hang on to hope but as the days drift by the hope, sadly, drifts away with them
 
arclight said:
Can he be held in protective custody ?

Not so sure it will be safe to let him out.
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Based on the Facebook group i saw calling for him to be Hanged I'd say turning him out on the street would be complete madness.

:-/
 
H2O said:
Based on the Facebook group i saw calling for him to be Hanged I'd say turning him out on the street would be complete madness.

:-/
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But IF he is guilty, it would be the best thing IMO
 
Ruffy said:
But IF he is guilty, it would be the best thing IMO
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Once convicted maybe.

There seems to be rather a lot of people who don't see the need for proof or a proper conviction first though.
 
H2O said:
Once convicted maybe.

There seems to be rather a lot of people who don't see the need for proof or a proper conviction first though.
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And plenty more people who oppose the death penalty entirely.
 
H2O said:
Once convicted maybe.

There seems to be rather a lot of people who don't see the need for proof or a proper conviction first though.
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Very true, They seem to have made extentions for his custody for a good reason, but Until he is officially charged and tried then he is at the moment still only a suspect. The mentality of public lynch mobs bothers me, do you know why?

Because the same lynch mobs wanted this guy to get chopped up and wanted his head on a plate because he too was arrested for murder, because lets face it, he looks the creepy sort who would do such a thing...

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however he was then released as a free man because he had nothing to do with it, and subsequently had to change his appearance due to the amount of grief he got?

People in this country find it much harder to accept the truth. They find it very hard to forget and also like it when they have a face to associate with a nasty crime even if said person has been aquitted That face is also freely walking the streets and easily accesable to target. With that said I sure hope the police have enough proper evidence to charge him with because if by some small chance he really is innocent, then his life is officially over regardless
 
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Nail on the head Dave. Anyone remember (spelling) when peadotricians were targeted because people that didnt have the brains they were born with were attacking there place of work, cars and homes because they thought they were peadophiles?!
 
HornetSting said:
Nail on the head Dave. Anyone remember (spelling) when peadotricians were targeted because people that didnt have the brains they were born with were attacking there place of work, cars and homes because they thought they were peadophiles?!
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A paediatrician's house was spray painted, probably by dumb teenagers, but nobody was ever attacked over it. An urban myth that has sprouted legs.
 
Can he be held in protective custody ?
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No such thing in the UK.
If he's charged, then bail can be objected to because there is a threat to his life, but he needs to be charged.

The mentality of public lynch mobs bothers me, do you know why?
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I agree 100%. The problem is though that there are members of the public, including members of this forum, who assume guilt, without the inconvenience of a trial. Even when there is one, some of those same people still want punishment without guilt.

The Magna Carte contains the following, "no freeman (in the sense of non-serf) could be punished except through the law of the land".

It seems that many in the UK not only don't know what the Magna Carte means, but what it contains, yet it is the nearest thing we have to a constitution.
 
H2O said:
Once convicted maybe.

There seems to be rather a lot of people who don't see the need for proof or a proper conviction first though.
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Yes, that's what I mean hence IF GUILTY !!!
 
Bernie174 said:
No such thing in the UK.
If he's charged, then bail can be objected to because there is a threat to his life, but he needs to be charged.



I agree 100%. The problem is though that there are members of the public, including members of this forum, who assume guilt, without the inconvenience of a trial. Even when there is one, some of those same people still want punishment without guilt.

The Magna Carte contains the following, "no freeman (in the sense of non-serf) could be punished except through the law of the land".

It seems that many in the UK not only don't know what the Magna Carte means, but what it contains, yet it is the nearest thing we have to a constitution.
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It's Magna Carta.
 
continuing on from what I was saying about lynch mobs, this is one of the reasons I don't agree with the papers splashing the picture and identity of someone who is only at the early arrest and interview stage. To most this is showing them who IS responsible and this is a face of evil. It would be much better for them to say they have arrested a suspect and leave it at that. Only after he has been formally charged and even in some cases been proved guilty in court should they then finally reveal who it is. Because even after being charged still does not prove that the person is guilty, it takes a jury and many hours of court room evidence being provided to prove without a shadow of a doubt that this is the man who is responsible
 
Lets not forget he too has children that attend the same school as April. What on earth must those poor kids be going through?
 
To most this is showing them who IS responsible and this is a face of evil.
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Isn't that of fault of some people and their perception than that of the system? At what point do you put the ban on showing an image? At arrest? Or at the investigation stage? For example, if someone is wanted, would you stop his picture being shown on say crime watch? That has the same effect on some.

Only after he has been formally charged and even in some cases been proved guilty in court should they then finally reveal who it is.
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A difficulty there is that once charged it's a matter of public record. However, in the case of a rape charge, I would agree that they should be accorded the same right of anonymity as the victim. Only because it is such an easy allegation to make out of malice.
 
I can see your point there, but in this case he was picked up right away by police and they didn't need to make a public crimewatch appeal.
 
HornetSting said:
Nail on the head Dave. Anyone remember (spelling) when peadotricians were targeted because people that didnt have the brains they were born with were attacking there place of work, cars and homes because they thought they were peadophiles?!
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Yip - vigilante mob is a leap towards anarchy. Then no one is safe.
 
archamedes said:
continuing on from what I was saying about lynch mobs, this is one of the reasons I don't agree with the papers splashing the picture and identity of someone who is only at the early arrest and interview stage. To most this is showing them who IS responsible and this is a face of evil
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I agree with what you say here Dave, as we all know their have been cases already mentioned here, were people have been completely innocent, but because their faces have been splashed across a newspaper, their poor lives have been devastated, however in this case i doubt it would made a lot of difference, as the police started to search his house, impounded his car, and this was all in view of the public, so everyone would have added 2+2 together anyway, and in this case rightly made 4. I do agree with the death penalty, for cases that are very clear cut ie Ian huntley, Roy whiting, Peter sutcliffe etc etc, as far as i'm concerned, these sort of monsters have no place on this earth, and certainly should not have a life funded by the tax payer, it's abhorrent that we should pay to keep these people alive, to say the least.


munch said:
Lets not forget he too has children that attend the same school as April. What on earth must those poor kids be going through?
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Agreed, you have got to feel sorry for these poor children, some kids can have a hard time at school as it is through normal bullying, god knows what these poor tots will have to go through, it's my guess they will eventually end up having to relocate them.
 
Item on the news said that a 20 yo has been arrested and charged with posting offensice remarks about April on Facebook.
How degenerate is that.
 
someone created a R.I.P. April Jones page on facebook the moment the police announced Bridger was charged with murder. The good intentions were probably there, however I feel it was just another ploy to get likes, but Aprils older sister tried to get the page down because she said that no body has been found yet and they are still praying she is alive. The admins on the page kept deleting her posts and trying to keep her quiet so the page would stay open, The sister was obviously upset and really angry but I think the page is down now.
 
neil_g said:
last night i saw a post on the 10 downing street facebook page calling for the torture the guy thats been arrested.

i mean really?
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Yip, really. It's already been suggested on this thread.
 
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