Apple wins US court case over Samsung

arad85 said:
It is this that I find the most ironic bit of the whole thing. But I only ever get accused of being anti-Apple around here, so obviously my opinions don't count ;)
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Yep, unfortunately Apple fans will do anything to protect their name ;)

There's a photo someone posted on Google plus with 'before they were popular: with the shameless quote, and after they were popular: we will crush android!
 
I'm sure Samsung did copy stuff but Apple are probably just as bad. I get the opinion from various online articles that Apple would do it to smaller technology firms who wouldn't be able to afford to take Apple to court although it seems they would also just buy the firms in order to get their technology, which is perfectly acceptable (the latter that is).

My problem is how quickly they came to a verdict in the US Court and there's even talk of them having already decided the outcome by day 1.

But as Apple steal ideas as well, I have to admit that this whole patent war is starting to put me off Apple due to their hypocrisy.
 
arad85 said:
It is this that I find the most ironic bit of the whole thing. But I only ever get accused of being anti-Apple around here, so obviously my opinions don't count ;)
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It Xerox had patented their ideas rather than invite people around for a spot of lunch and a root beer then Xerox would be worth a lot more than it is now :D

It is the patents system that is at fault. Apple is working within the current system, which is heavily flawed.
 
gman said:
My problem is how quickly they came to a verdict in the US Court and there's even talk of them having already decided the outcome by day 1.
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It was day 1 of the deliberations...

As a jury you can listen to 3 months of arguments and your opinion can change back and forth but in the end, when you are sent into the back room to decide, you probably know what your decision is going to be.
 
gman said:
Classic quote, guess who: "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas"
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arad85 said:
It is this that I find the most ironic bit of the whole thing. But I only ever get accused of being anti-Apple around here, so obviously my opinions don't count ;)
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I'm sure they still are shameless about stealing great ideas.

Doesn't mean they are going to let others steal off them. Hypocritical or not it make great business sense to steal all the ideas to make you successful and stop your competitors doing the same.

People seem to forget that apple are a business, not a charity
 
joescrivens said:
I'm sure they still are shameless about stealing great ideas.

Doesn't mean they are going to let others steal off them. Hypocritical or not it make great business sense to steal all the ideas to make you successful and stop your competitors doing the same.

People seem to forget that apple are a business, not a charity
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So being a business makes it ok to be unethical otherwise you have to be a charity?
 
gman said:
So being a business makes it ok to be unethical otherwise you have to be a charity?
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Did I say it was ok to be unethical? Or did I say it makes business sense?

A business will do what a business needs to do to become succesful - all businesses do it. Samsung did the same as apple do - they stole ideas. The mistake they made was they stole things that had been patented. More fool them.
 
gman said:
Classic quote, guess who: "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas"
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Talking of quotes ;)

One for the Apple fanboys

If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it's worth — and get busy on the next great thing.
The PC wars are over. Done.
Microsoft won a long time ago.
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joescrivens said:
Did I say it was ok to be unethical?
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You didn't have to.


Microsoft are probably just as bad but who cares so long as we get great products. People don't seem to mind about the ethics of these large companies which is odd because on these forums everyone seems to be 100% honest and ethical with their own businesses. Or so they say.

Phoenixing is great business sense and can save you fortunes but I consider it unethical.
 
jokeruk said:
Yep, unfortunately Apple fans will do anything to protect their name ;)

There's a photo someone posted on Google plus with 'before they were popular: with the shameless quote, and after they were popular: we will crush android!
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To be completely fair the Windows/Linux fans are equally bad! Just look at the comments made to literally ANY Apple story on Toms Hardware Guide! If anything the Windows fanboys are possibly worse!

Its like two football teams in one town!! Nikon v Canon etc.....

If Windows 9 is better than Mac OS tabby cat then I'll install that. It is a tool to do a job.



It makes me laugh when the fanboys from either side spout the same old re-hashed rubbish about each other though, these two being the most popular.

Apple kit is over priced - Some is, some isn't (Windows manufacturers are complaining to Intel that they cannot actually compete with the 11" Macbook Air whilst producing something as good WHILST the Mac Pro is very much over priced....... However at launch the MacPro was very much a bargain for a Xeon workstation and I know of 1 company that bought 20 and installed Windows on them in order to run the software they needed. My new machine is a retina Macbook Pro 15.4" with 16Gb Ram, 512Gb HD and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB - A stupidly expensive machine BUT there is no Windows equivalent so there is nothing to compare it with...

Windows is unstable - Nope, it is actually pretty stable now. There are some carpy drivers from 3rd party manufacturers on occasion but the OS is stable.... Remember back to MacOS 7 or 8 which was crashing left, right and centre - Eventually it was found to be a 3rd party software package (MS IE7 if I remember :D)
 
cowasaki said:
It makes me laugh when the fanboys from either side spout the same old re-hashed rubbish about each other though, these two being the most popular.
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It is this that riles me*. Neither is better than the other - they are different, but functionally equivalent. Screwing either system up is possible - and it's the user that does it.



*Oh and anything posted by Joe... ;) :p
 
I'm a little surprised at some of the patent infringements that Apple have done over the years which include:

  • iPod menu: Creative Technology held patent and were paid $100 million
  • iPhone portable touchscreen: Typhoon Touch Technologies held patent and were paid an undisclosed sum
  • Wireless in iPhone: Nokia held patent and were paid an undisclosed amount and and royalties backdated to 2007 and still ongoing payments

The touchscreen infringement surprised me as it's such a main feature, I wonder what the undisclosed amount was?
 
lol, that is a fair amount but I don't think it's too bad when compared to the top spec Dell/Alien laptops etc. The all use of flash hardware is a good call I reckon and apart from the speed increase and reduction in noise, it should also help eliminate the problem of damage when moving the laptop whilst the hard drive is accessing.

If it had 4G in it then I'd would be the cherry on the icing.
 
http://9gag.com/gag/5195630?ref=fb.s a different perspective :lol:

Groklaw had an interesting article a few days ago about it. I can't wait for the court of appeal, get me the popcorn please
 
daugirdas said:
http://9gag.com/gag/5195630?ref=fb.s a different perspective :lol:

Groklaw had an interesting article a few days ago about it. I can't wait for the court of appeal, get me the popcorn please
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The F700 was not actually seen until after the iphone, it was only announced before.

It was also a complete piece of ****. I had one it went wrong after a month and they claimed that moisture had ruined it. When I pushed them they said that moisture from having my hands in my pocket could have caused it and finally gave in and let me have a different phone. That contract was the last time I ever touched a Samsung phone.
 
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Samsung played a blinder here.

When the iPhone was launched, Nokia and blackberry were the big players, and they ignored it. Samsung went out and got their version on the street as soon as they could.

4 years on, that decision has cost them a billion dollars, with probably a couple of billion more to come, they can afford it though, because unlike Nokia and RIM they had the vision to hang onto the coattails of progress.

A lesson for every business to know where the market is going next and make sure you're not left behind.
 
Don't forget the 7.5% drop in share price i.o.w. $12BN lost in value....and since then it has gone down a little bit further...We'll have to see the long term effect of course, but for now it is rather more expensive...

Also I think (but we'll never know now...) that Samsung would have done the same with a vanilla Android implementation or a version of their 'skin' that didn't infringe like HTC seems to be capable of doing...
 
dejongj said:
Don't forget the 7.5% drop in share price i.o.w. $12BN lost in value....and since then it has gone down a little bit further...We'll have to see the long term effect of course, but for now it is rather more expensive...

Also I think (but we'll never know now...) that Samsung would have done the same with a vanilla Android implementation or a version of their 'skin' that didn't infringe like HTC seems to be capable of doing...
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They've made massive profits for the last 4 years and they're still making profits now. Yes this will hurt them as a business, but compared to Nokia or RIM who failed to join in?
 
neil_g said:
http://omgdroid.com/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-sales-skyrocket-following-apple-patent-trial-verdict/
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yup.

Like I said, this wont affect samsung one iota. A ton of people went out and bought the galaxy in case it got banned so samsung made a ton of sales.

Next they'll just make some tweaks to their other products and the ones that are trying to be banned will be replaced.

All these people talking of this harming the customers and lack of innovations etc are all just scaremongers - the world will contunie to spin for both companies as it did before.
 
joescrivens said:
yup.

Like I said, this wont affect samsung one iota. A ton of people went out and bought the galaxy in case it got banned so samsung made a ton of sales.

Next they'll just make some tweaks to their other products and the ones that are trying to be banned will be replaced.

All these people talking of this harming the customers and lack of innovations etc are all just scaremongers - the world will contunie to spin for both companies as it did before.
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Ironically, the s3 was one of the handsets that Apple isn't seeking to ban! Figure that one out?
 
Won on their home turf - good news but hardly surprising. Now if Apple could just stop suing everyone and his dog for everything maybe we can all get back to normal.
 
Looks like Samsung are holding fire with a 4G lawsuit, perhaps until the next iPhone is out. I bet the lawyers are having a whale of time with all this.
 
odd jim said:
Ironically, the s3 was one of the handsets that Apple isn't seeking to ban! Figure that one out?
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Until today. It's on the latest list of handsets they want to have banned in a newly filed lawsuit. This new one relates to different patent infringements.
 
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cowasaki said:
I've probably had more Apple kit than most but....

From

1 x Mac Mini
1 x Mac Pro
1 x iMac
3 x Macbook polycarbonate
2 x Macbook Pro 17" (just prior to unibody)
1 x Macbook Air 11" 2012
1 x 15" Macbook Pro retina
5 x iPhones
3 x iPads
2 x Airports
1 x Apple mouse
1 x Apple touchpad
1 x Apple white keyboard USB
1 x Apple white keyboard Wireless

That I can remember....

We've had (not in any order)

1) Mac Mini - case replaced due to power button failure (under warranty <1yr)
2) Apple mouse - replaced due to failure of little ball on top (under ext warranty <3yrs)
3) 17" MBP - motherboard failure (under ext warranty <3yrs)
4) 17" MBP - battery failure, it expanded and gave off hot gas which burnt my leg (under ext warranty <3yrs)
5) 17" MBP - battery failure, it expanded and failed (under ext warranty <3yrs)
6) 17" MBP - battery failure, it expanded and failed (replaced out of warranty!)
7) 17" MBP - PSU, end fell off (replaced out of warranty! 4 years old!)
8) 17" MBP - PSU, end fell off (replaced out of warranty! 4 years old!)
9) 13" Macbook, polycarbonate top/keyboard, cracking (replaced <1yr)
10) 13" Macbook, battery failure (replaced <1yr)
11) 13" Macbook, battery failure (replaced <1yr)
12) iPhone 3Gs, 1 pixel failed on screen (replaced on launch day when I got home to find fault)
13) iPhone 3Gs, software issues! (replaced <1yr)
14) iPhone headphones, fell to pieces after a week (replaced <1yr)

(1) Computer failed to power up. I had spilled a bottle of blue ink on top of it 4 months before (don't ask) but this had nothing to do with the fault. Apple replaced the bottom case despite the blue ink stain without hesitation.

(3) Computer failed to power up. No idea why this happened but took it into Apple store, did some shopping and collected it 3 hours later.

(6,8) When I bought the MBA in January I complained about my 17" MBPS's PSU and battery which were out of extended warranty but I felt that the faults were known issues and the two parts had been replaced 10 months previously - They replaced them both again!

Several battery replacements above. Apple will replace any Macbook battery with under 300 cycles and within 1 year of previous replacement (or more if you are lucky)

Currently one of the 17" MBPs has a failed Nvidia chipset. This is going to be re-balled next week. It is just over 4.5 years old but I have spoken to Apple and they are going to look at the step by step repair photos and invoices and if it is down to the chip de-soldering itself they are going to give me the cost of the repair as store credit. This is pretty good when it is closer to 5 years old than 4 years!

Got to say that some of these WOULD have been replaced by non Apple companies but I would doubt that quite a few of them would.

1 Most companies would have taken one look at the blue Mac Mini and said errr no.
4-6,10-11 Most companies don't warranty batteries over 6 months
12 Most companies say 1 dead pixel is not a warranty failure
14 Headphones not always covered
7-8 Out of warranty
9 This was a product recall but I still doubt most companies would replace a cracked top of a computer.
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Two points...

1. you need to start looking at other manufacturers kit. People that buy from just one manufacturer are strange, even if the argument is "they make the right stuff for me". Really? Exactly the right stuff? This is not an Apple specific thing, it's the same with other manufacturers, specifically some people I know and Sony. They make good kit but some stuff is better from other manufacturers...If you've made a lifestyle choice then...

2. You['ve had a significantly large number of failures of Apple products! Of all the electrical kit I've had I haven't had anywhere near that amount of issue with it! I'd also argue that several of those out of warranty replacements are actually requirements not good will. For example the Nvidia chipsets had a court order covering them (all manufacturers) and the batteries were a safety issue. They could replace them for free or you could probably take them to court... A lot of manufacturers that have had similar battery issues have also done the free replacement.

Apple kit and customer service is good, just I'm not sure your post really gives it the best light!:lol:
 
daugirdas said:
If this forces Samsung to drop their UI and stick to plain android I'd be very happy. After all, most of the "infringements" in question were samsung addons and the rectangle! Now apple please sue HTC for making rubbish phones
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I've got to say, I'm a bit mixed with this result. Some of it is right, Samsung have copied parts of the UI and design wholesale (touchwizz and the Galaxy S and to a lesser extent S2) but on the other hand some of the patents are just stupid. Luckily for the UK and most of the rest of the world we have a different patent system which seems to function much better (In Japan very recently Apple lost and had to pay costs as well). So far from the multiple Apple/Samsung lawsuits (of whatever kind):

Apple have had a couple of "secret" injunctions in Germany (odd German law)
Netherlands won and lost
UK - Lost
Korea - Lost and won
Japan - Lost
 
gman said:
I'm sure Samsung did copy stuff but Apple are probably just as bad. I get the opinion from various online articles that Apple would do it to smaller technology firms who wouldn't be able to afford to take Apple to court although it seems they would also just buy the firms in order to get their technology, which is perfectly acceptable (the latter that is).

My problem is how quickly they came to a verdict in the US Court and there's even talk of them having already decided the outcome by day 1.

But as Apple steal ideas as well, I have to admit that this whole patent war is starting to put me off Apple due to their hypocrisy.
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Hey, a lot of iOS looks surprisingly like Windows Mobile... But then so does a lot of Android, then a lot of WM looks surprisingly like Palm OS...


arad85 said:
It is this that riles me*. Neither is better than the other - they are different, but functionally equivalent. Screwing either system up is possible - and it's the user that does it.



*Oh and anything posted by Joe... ;) :p
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Oh, I dunno... Depends what you want it for... After having used OSX for 9 months as my main personal machine I still don't understand how anyone does anything productive on it. It's a great internet surfer but for productivity Windows beats it hands down, tied it in knots, then rubs it's face into dust... For me anyway. How many years before my opinion is just classed as "you're just more used to Windows" though? :p


gman said:
This is impressive
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Geuninely new? Really...?

Something like a totally new way of interacting with things (say the Wii remote or even Kinect) maybe. A (nice) thin laptop with a slightly higher resolution display than any other laptop, not really. But then Apple are the worlds greatest advertising company.

gman said:
lol, that is a fair amount but I don't think it's too bad when compared to the top spec Dell/Alien laptops etc. The all use of flash hardware is a good call I reckon and apart from the speed increase and reduction in noise, it should also help eliminate the problem of damage when moving the laptop whilst the hard drive is accessing.

If it had 4G in it then I'd would be the cherry on the icing.
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A snip at the £4k for the top spec Sony Vaio Z 13"er.. :D
 
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Amp34 said:
Two points...

1. you need to start looking at other manufacturers kit. People that buy from just one manufacturer are strange, even if the argument is "they make the right stuff for me". Really? Exactly the right stuff? This is not an Apple specific thing, it's the same with other manufacturers, specifically some people I know and Sony. They make good kit but some stuff is better from other manufacturers...If you've made a lifestyle choice then...
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What an odd thing to say? Which other manufacturer should he be looking at to run kit that runs OSX? Whilst I hear what you say, I do think you are rather missing the point..
 
dejongj said:
What an odd thing to say? Which other manufacturer should he be looking at to run kit that runs OSX? Whilst I hear what you say, I do think you are rather missing the point..
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Actually I think you just missed the point and also verified mine. :)

"Think Different". Good slogan, try new things, you never know, you may like it. :)
 
Amp34 said:
Actually I think you just missed the point and also verified mine. :)

"Think Different". Good slogan, try new things, you never know, you may like it. :)
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yes, sure, nice getaway...So the majority of people running windows must install a new operating system this year according to your logic. One must not stay with it? I mean lets face it, that is the useable part of a computer, the part that lets you do your job...

Or HMRC should change their import/export system, I mean it has been run by BT for years now, time for a change...

Change for change sake just doesn't make any sense, and when you advocate it you should advocade it in the widest possible sense....
 
dejongj said:
yes, sure, nice getaway...So the majority of people running windows must install a new operating system this year according to your logic. One must not stay with it? I mean lets face it, that is the useable part of a computer, the part that lets you do your job...

Or HMRC should change their import/export system, I mean it has been run by BT for years now, time for a change...

Change for change sake just doesn't make any sense, and when you advocate it you should advocade it in the widest possible sense....
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Sorry, I must be missing something here, since when were we talking about multi million pound big business installations?

The majority of people running windows should try a new OS yes, they should also look around before buying their next piece of hardware. When they next upgrade yes, nothing to do with this year though. Most people don't upgrade every year though...
 
daugirdas said:
If this forces Samsung to drop their UI and stick to plain android I'd be very happy. After all, most of the "infringements" in question were samsung addons and the rectangle! Now apple please sue HTC for making rubbish phones
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hmm...why hate on htc? yeah, the cameras crap, but my desire hd doesn't feel like it's made out of recycled crisp packets like my wife's galaxy. The sense interface isn't too shabby either.
 
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