Apple Q1 results, what recession?

Oh yes, I forgot that. You need to jailbreak it to ditch itunes..... :thumbs:

you misunderstood.

The reason to stick with a jalibroken iphone over an android phone is the content on the app store - jalibreak for the features (if thats what you want) but the content is much more important and content on android sucks
 
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How it looks. A contacts app that emulates a ring-bound book is just one example of Forstall's outdated design style. It just doesn't match Ives' design style. It's very old fashioned.

functionality over design every single time for me. I couldn't give a monkeys what the contacts app looks like. its how it works thats important :thumbs:

design is still good but it always has to come under functionality.
 
you misunderstood.
I didn't misunderstand - I think you misunderstood me ;)

And Angry Birds is on all app stores. That's all that matters isn't it...
 
With apple and Samsung both posting last quater results, I don't think apple will be too worried yet.

Apple net income 55bn
Samsung net income 6.6bn

As for the original post, the recession certainly has not effected the company I work for, with a new late shift taking on 20 new staff starting in two weeks, just after five new day shift started last week.
 
With apple and Samsung both posting last quater results, I don't think apple will be too worried yet.

Apple net income 55bn
Samsung net income 6.6bn
Samsung have already announced that they have made a quarterly profit of $8.6Billion in the last quarter. That's pretty impressive given the net income is only 75% of that ;)

Samsungs last quarter statement is: http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsams...se/downloads/2012/20130125_conference_eng.pdf

Assuming $1=100Korean Won (it is ~94)

Sales: $56bn
Net Profit $7bn

So... Apple are making more of a margin on their products. No surprise there, but it will change.
 
With apple and Samsung both posting last quater results, I don't think apple will be too worried yet.

Apple net income 55bn
Samsung net income 6.6bn

I don't know where you get these figures from but I'd say they were incorrect! Samsung is a massive comany compared to Apple! :thinking:
 
If they tied up with a phone maker to make amazon the natural choice for music on that platform , Apple (and google) could have a serious problem.

If it got that serious Apple might use their normal plan for companies that threaten them ;)

As of the end of 2012 Amazon’s market capitalisation was $100.8 billion, Apple currently has $131 billion in cash reserves. They could buy Amazon and still have $30 billion left.
 
But why would you want to do that when you can just go and get an alternative smart phone which has most of the things you want as standard? It's not like there's a major advantage to Apple hardware...

So customer service isn't a big part of the decision process?
And just exactly what is the point of XDA Dev forums being in existence if Google give you all these wonderful widgets? Oh yes, something to do with Sony/HTC/etc/etc deciding you can't have ICS or Jelly Bean on your 12-18 month old device!

Been there, done that, Android is worse and better in equal amounts as to nullify the OS being the prime reason to change.
Windows' Tiles I like, but it's Windows - it'll go exactly the same way as the Zune has, but may have marginally more success than Blackberry's OS 10.

You're also overlooking the design aspect - no-one has out-designed Apple's handsets.
You've also overlooked the resale value of Apple (just like their computers) iDevices is a greater percentage of their new cost than any Android handset. Something has to be responsible for the desirability that demand still outstrips supply and people paying good money for damaged ones.

iTunes is, for the most part, a simple and easy way to manage your phone's contents - yet for all its supposed failings, no-one has bothered or managed to offer anything like it for Android handsets.
Drag & drop does have its handiness, but it's not the best solution bar none - it isn't always quicker.

The one major bugbear for me with Android OS is the Settings design - doesn't even come close to the elegance of how it's been done in iOS since day one.
There's more pros and cons applicable to both OSes and handsets, but we're way off topic, so I'm leaving it there.
 
you misunderstood.

The reason to stick with a jalibroken iphone over an android phone is the content on the app store - jalibreak for the features (if thats what you want) but the content is much more important and content on android sucks

For me the content doesnt come from the apps store - the apps deliver the content. And the only content i currently want that i cant get is from simplenote. Just wish an android dev would come up with a decent app.

PS am platform agnostic (ish!), have a macbook and a windows machin, an android phone and a blackberry
 
How it looks. A contacts app that emulates a ring-bound book is just one example of Forstall's outdated design style. It just doesn't match Ives' design style. It's very old fashioned.

Ok, there are things that could be better, but for me an iphone page beats a Samsung page hands down.
 
I don't want to "sync" my devices. I don't need a program to manage my media for me. It's there, on the network, not sync'd via some cloud service somewhere and placed in a system folder and obfuscated ;). It's on my fileserver. Accessed via:

//MAINSERVER/music/lossless/<Artist>/<Album>/Album.flac

Any device here just accesses that map. I use foobar2000 on the PC (which uses metadata in the FLAC to translate a path into something more meaningful. My "MP3" player can play FLAC too, as can all the devices on the network (xbmc boxes primarily, although my tablet also plays networked media too).

Fundamentally, my data is centralised (unless copied elsewhere to take offsite) and my library is distributed (each device manages a library based on the centralised metadata). This is the opposite of iTunes IMHO which centralises the database and (generally) distributes the content.

If thats what floats your boat fine, me, i just want to press sync and it does it all for me.
 
If thats what floats your boat fine, me, i just want to press sync and it does it all for me.

so does the majority of the world, which is why its the best overall solution. People like arad who want this amount of control are few and far between and are anomolies in the consumer market
 
The reason to stick with a jalibroken iphone over an android phone is the content on the app store - jalibreak for the features (if thats what you want) but the content is much more important and content on android sucks

I don't think content sucks on Android as much as you think it does (how many iOS users were crying out for Google Maps a few months back? :lol:), Google really closed the gap over the past year and alot of apps now are released side by side or within weeks of each platform.

Its no longer a case of iOS first and Android whenever....most devs have clear timetables for release.

I understand why the stock is tanking, Apple stock is pretty high and always has been volatile, there selling alot but its a big risk for investors as theres not exactly innovation floating around apple and they have some massive competition that is pushing the boat out and MS is starting to get noticed.
 
I don't think content sucks on Android as much as you think it does (how many iOS users were crying out for Google Maps a few months back? :lol:), Google really closed the gap over the past year and alot of apps now are released side by side or within weeks of each platform.

I disagree, and I'm in a good place to comment for the following reasons:

1. I have an ipad, a nook, a playbook and an android phone in my househould
2. I develop for ios, amazon app store, nook and google play.

Google play is a joke. An absolute joke. Look at this app:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.petehead&hl=en

I put it on there last year for two reasons:

1. as a practical joke for my father in law
2. to prove how easy it is to get anything you want on there

It's not just a case of not having the best apps, its a case of how much rubbish is allowed to go on there you have to filter through.

Amazon app store is a horrendous usability experience. The fact there are so many different andorid app stores makes it really hard as a developer to cover them all, things have to be signed and packaged in different ways, devices using them are different sizes etc - it's a mindfield for a developer to build for and DRM can be completely non existant in some cases.

Android app stores are a joke and always will be unless they do something about it.
 
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I think trying to use an app as evidence to suggest an entire store is trash is a little weak, you can find equally basic/ill advised apps on the iOS store and I think that its only had 10-50 installs shows that actually the trash is very rarely found.

I do hate to play the card but I am an ex iphone user (3 gens worth) and I do own an ipad but prefer android greatly since I switched.
Maybe its my age but generally speaking I find the adaptability Android brings to my phone more suitable in my day to day life and I am much less concerned about finding the next '10 second game' on an app store.
But yes generally speaking DRM is an issue on Android - I would agree.
 
But that's profit. acetone was comparing Samsungs PROFIT to Apples TURNOVER (see what I did there :rolleyes:)

So customer service isn't a big part of the decision process?
It's a phone.

And just exactly what is the point of XDA Dev forums being in existence if Google give you all these wonderful widgets? Oh yes, something to do with Sony/HTC/etc/etc deciding you can't have ICS or Jelly Bean on your 12-18 month old device!
People keep phones for their contract length. Which is 12-18 months. It isn't an up-front decision point for most.

If thats what floats your boat fine, me, i just want to press sync and it does it all for me.

It works well until you plug the wrong phone into the wrong iTunes and it wipes your device....

Android app stores are a joke and always will be unless they do something about it.
They are. They are selling shedloads more Android phones than iPhones. It will be like viruses - the developer will target the mass market, not the more expensive niche....
 
It's not just a case of not having the best apps, its a case of how much rubbish is allowed to go on there you have to filter through.

I can only comment on my usage of google play, but if i want an app, i search. I may also browse editors choice, or 'other users installed'. Not sure how i would ever come across the app you suggest clutters the store, indeed with only one install a month it would suggest it isnt a problem for many others...?

IMHO android was a bit rubbish, and miles away from the IOS user experience when i had my first android device, running 2.2, but it has become a genuinely nice to use OS. IMHO of course.


And regarding the share price, there was an interesting 'parable' on more or less last week, which is also here for those that can read!
 
a really interesting discussion - it's amazing how polarised these things are. reminds me of the old snes vs megadrive wars.

... devices using them are different sizes etc - it's a mindfield for a developer to build for and DRM can be completely non existant in some cases.

that's one thing i don't understand... why do different resolution handsets present such a problem for app developers?

maybe modern day programmers are spoilt with their high level object oriented frameworks, but i've been developing in c, c++ and pascal, (even dabbling in assembler for writing TSR programs) for MS-DOS and Windows since the 1990s - different resolutions and dpi settings is something on these platforms we've always had to live with and really, resolution independence is essential these days as resolutions and screens are only going to keep getting bigger and bigger and soon enough we'll be playing these apps on our tvs too i'm sure and don't middlewares like corona take the legwork out of all this, anyway?
 
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It works well until you plug the wrong phone into the wrong iTunes and it wipes your device.

I think Apple assume that if you are capable of using a PC or Mac you can read.

You can plug an iPhone into any PC or Mac that you want to, it's only if you press Sync in iTunes that a pop up box pops up and asks if you are sure as continuing will erase all content.

You then have to press OK again to start the sync which would erase (or like most logical people rather press cancel and avoid erasing your content).
 
I think trying to use an app as evidence to suggest an entire store is trash is a little weak, you can find equally basic/ill advised apps on the iOS store and I think that its only had 10-50 installs shows that actually the trash is very rarely found.

you missed my point.

I was showing that there is no reviewing whatsoever on google play which means you can upload complete tosh - that app would have never passed QA at apple.

Whilst there s still poor apps on the apple app store - the number of these is so much lower due to the QA process.
 
the developer will target the mass market, not the more expensive niche....

you are wrong.

I know because not only am I one of them but I also work my full time job with developers.

No DRM, terrible app visibility and difficulty on the platform is turning people away from the android stores. If google fix it, they will come in droves. But not in the state it is in, no matter how many units of hardware sell.

There isn't any money to be made developing for the android market right now.
 
why do different resolution handsets present such a problem for app developers?

simple.

Each device has a slightly different aspect ratio, and not only that but some have menu's that take up extra pixels and some don't. So sizing your app to display perfectly on all of them is very difficult.

Its unreasonable to expect that a developer would have a version of every android phone out there to test their app displays optimally.

I just recently acquired a nook and had been sizing my apps to 1024x600 only to find out that there was a 20 pixel menu bar that appears too which was making my app not be full screen.

Ios always used to only have 2 aspect ratio's to worry about - iphone and ipad and it was only if you were making a universal app that you had to even worry about this - but now with the iphone 5 being longer that presents a pain in the ass there too. Multiply that issue by 10 with android

there's also hardware and touch points. Some tablets have only 2 touchpoints, some have more. all ipads have the same number as do all iphones so you know where you stand with mutli touch gestures. This becomes problematic on android

some have microphone and camera api, some dont. The nook has no microphone for example. It's really a minefield
 
It's a phone.

People keep phones for their contract length. Which is 12-18 months. It isn't an up-front decision point for most.

It works well until you plug the wrong phone into the wrong iTunes and it wipes your device....

Doesn't matter the usage, it's an expensive item, which through previous experience is likely to endear them to being brand loyal.
Certainly more loyal than tends to be the case with Android handset purchases.

Contracts can be 24 months in many cases, still doesn't stop the fact that the new handsets using the same chipsets are fine for running ICS and JB, but the previous handsets are locked out from JB, and even ICS, to be forever stuck on GB.

iTunes doesn't wipe the device - it alerts the user it is associated with another computer/iTunes Library, and would you like to cancel or proceed.
This is easily resolved by turning off the auto-sync on connecting a device option in the Devices tab of Preferences!
Nothing any different there from the idiot users who click OK, OK, OK, then wonder how in hell's name they've managed to install a virus on their computer.
 
PS. This: http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=5308066 is a classic example of why I don't like iTunes.

But I just want to play my content on my xbox.... Oh no.. you can't do that with iTunes Sir....

Is your media on a NAS or a Mac?
If a NAS, then you should already know about and use XBMC presumably?
If on a Mac, then you could pony up $20 for Connect360 from the App Store.

Otherwise, I see no reason why your media on the NAS can't be read by the 360 and played back - it's just a folder full of mp3s and aacs, which the 360 will handle since it has the requisite codecs in place.

For Windows users, there's iHome Server as an option.
 
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you missed my point.

I was showing that there is no reviewing whatsoever on google play which means you can upload complete tosh - that app would have never passed QA at apple.

Whilst there s still poor apps on the apple app store - the number of these is so much lower due to the QA process.

Duplicity on the Play Store really gets my goat up - the same ***** wrapped up slightly differently.
I reckon if Google properly administered the Play Store, a seriously hefty percentage of apps would disappear because of duplicating what already exists.
 
I think Apple assume that if you are capable of using a PC or Mac you can read.
People "just" clicking OK is how most viruses get installed.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the user....
 
If a NAS, then you should already know about and use XBMC presumably?
I have 3 "real" xbmcs, and 2 on PCs. I also use a media player on my tablet and we also have an old Archos.

Otherwise, I see no reason why your media on the NAS can't be read by the 360 and played back - it's just a folder full of mp3s and aacs, which the 360 will handle since it has the requisite codecs in place.
Exactly. If I have the media in iTunes, where is it on my network?
 
PS.. Apple down another 2% so far today :)
 
you are wrong.
We'll see. Just like Apples share price and image will take time to drop to where they should be from their exalted heights, so it will take time to get the Google Play market sorted.

But it will get there.
 
People "just" clicking OK is how most viruses get installed.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the user....

I never underestimate stupidity ;)

But what has the inability to read, or iTunes, got to do with viruses? :shrug:
 
You can for £30 ;) and overall as bloats as iTunes is, it is one of the best ways to manage your music.

So not only do I have to buy a new adapter for my new iphone with my old ipad, I have to spend another £30 on an app.....no wonder Apple post record turnover.
 
I never underestimate stupidity ;)

But what has the inability to read, or iTunes, got to do with viruses? :shrug:

I am not a developer but I understood what he meant.
 
and overall as bloats as iTunes is, it is one of the best ways to manage your music.
I just don't see any advantages - in fact only disadvantages for me (my albums are stored as single flac files with embedded cue sheets in them). Joe was right though, I think I probably fall into the anomaly class here.
 
I am not a developer but I understood what he meant.

I'm not a developer either, I just don't understand the reference to viruses. I made a comment about being able to read to use iTunes (or a computer). I don't get the link between reading/iTunes and viruses.

Maybe it's just me :shrug:
 
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