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So Apple fiscal Q1 figures are out, and they seem to be pretty impressive considering the world is in recession.

$54.5 billion revenue (up 17%)
$13.1 billion profit (unchanged)
75 million iOS devices sold, including 47.8 million iPhones and 22 million iPads.
Apple's cash reserves increased to $131 billion.

47 million iPhones? Hardly the flop many seemed to think when the i5 came out (of course the figure is all iPhones, but still impressive, I would speculate the majority are i5).

http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/23/apples-record-first-quarter-of-2013-in-charts/
 
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Yes, I know I'm classed as an Apple hater but there's always two sides to every story....

A press release from Apple: Appl e Inc Issues Q2 2013 Revenue Guidance Below Analysts' Estimates which was released as the stock markets closed.

which led to this on the NYSE....

  • Trading today close: $514.1 +$9.24 on the day (1.83%)
  • After Hours: $463.49 -$50.52 (-9.83%)

:shrug: ;)
 
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Definitely healthy.....but they are losing their edge. It's been quite striking how quickly Apple has been dumped as the tech gadget du jour here in Hong Kong. If you aren't carrying a Samsung Galaxy SIII or Note 2, you're a loser now!

Of course I am a mega loser with my Lumia 920 :)

Apple need to innovate soon....resting on their design laurels is costing them market share at an alarming rate now. You wouldn't bet against them to pull something out of the bag next iPhone product cycle though.....or are they too conservative under Tim Cook now?
 
mid_gen said:
Apple need to innovate soon....resting on their design laurels is costing them market share at an alarming rate now. You wouldn't bet against them to pull something out of the bag next iPhone product cycle though.....or are they too conservative under Tim Cook now?
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I would have to agree. So they can make thinks lighter and thinner.. Great.

I don't think apple are the all round powerhouse they once were. Especially now they're more and more sticking two fingers up at the business market and moving to the consumer arena.

No doubt anyone criticising apple will get branded a hater (call it a hunch by the title) despite some owning several apple products.
 
the 4S will be my last Apple purchase. Have been iPhone user since 2007 and iPad user since 2nd gen came out.

Their iPhone 5 just goes against all their previous phone design philosophy, the top left back button can no longer be reached easily and it is no longer a comfortable small device. Then they release the iPad mini which is exactly what they previously said they won't do. Coming up next: NetMacbook.

Apple is no longer an innovator, they are now a follower of consumer demand. They no longer set the standards.


Will be looking at a 3.5inch Nokia Windows Phone come upgrade time, that OS looks like it's got a future. just need more apps. Then a 10inch Windows RT tablet.
(I hate Android from putting up with all its fanboys)
 
wuyanxu said:
Apple is no longer an innovator, they are now a follower of consumer demand. They no longer set the standards.


Will be looking at a 3.5inch Nokia Windows Phone come upgrade time, that OS looks like it's got a future. just need more apps. Then a 10inch Windows RT tablet.
(I hate Android from putting up with all its fanboys)
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Kind of agree with the 'not an innovator' aspect, nice designs but no more functional than devices a lot cheaper.

Personally, I would not discount any device just because it has some 'fanboys' as you put it, make your own mind up based on what it is you want from the kit :)
 
PaulF said:
Kind of agree with the 'not an innovator' aspect, nice designs but no more functional than devices a lot cheaper.

Personally, I would not discount any device just because it has some 'fanboys' as you put it, make your own mind up based on what it is you want from the kit :)
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hehe, the problem is most devices ecosystem view sub 4inch devices as low-end devices. :bang:

I want a small phone sized device that has latest processor, top of the line screen and industrial leading battery life. It's same across all devices, even Nokia Lumia, only exception at the moment is iPhone 4S. :gag:
 
Surrey Weddings said:
with the app markets and itunes dominance in the music market... apple will be ok, i'd buy their stock...
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this

it matters not what others do in terms of design and hardware. Unless they can mimic apples content model they will lose.

content is king and always will be, everyone else is miles behind there.

Doesn't mean they cant catch up - but unless they solve this then they'll never win
 
arad85 said:
A press release from Apple: Appl e Inc Issues Q2 2013 Revenue Guidance Below Analysts' Estimates which was released as the stock markets closed.

which led to this on the NYSE....

  • Trading today close: $514.1 +$9.24 on the day (1.83%)
  • After Hours: $463.49 -$50.52 (-9.83%)
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Well... early trading shows: Pre-market: 468.50 -45.51 (-8.85%) so things have improved slightly. It will be interesting to see what happens today on the NYSE.

Surrey Weddings said:
i'd buy their stock...
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joescrivens said:
Surrey Weddings said:
with the app markets and itunes dominance in the music market... apple will be ok, i'd buy their stock...
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Hmm... I'm sure there will be quite a few people willing to sell you shares. I'm lucky enough that I get a small number of shares in the company I work for. At one point, just around the time of the dot com bubble in 2000, the shares were worth $71. They are now worth $7ish and have been as low as just below $4. This is typical for companies of the sort I work for who were on the stock market at the time as we were overvalued.

Apple is overvalued in the long term. The share price will fall. They won't go bust, but they will normalise with the rest of the industry. That fall will coincide with their fall from the worshipped heights they have enjoyed. I'm hearing the same sort of story wuyanxu tells. "Always an Apple user... now trying something else..."
 
joescrivens said:
Unless they can mimic apples content model they will lose.
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Apples content model is to sell hardware that makes it easy to buy their content. If you aren't selling the hardware..................
 
Phones - Apple and Android

Tablets - Windows 8 and Apple - Android doesn't have the right appeal to companies who want an app.

You then have multiple market places on Android (Amazon for the kindle devices and Play for the rest), the app store isn't great to use (I'm not a huge fan of iTunes, but easier to split between iphone and ipad apps). Android will be knocked out of the tablet market in the next 2 years. The kindle devices will remain, but that is only off the kindle ecosystem.

The phone is a different matter, the apps don't need to be as polished, they just need to work and the design is less important overall, just make it easy to use. Android does well here, but who knows in a few years.

I'm an apple hater. I have 2 ipads, ipod classic, apple tv and 4 airplay expresses. I hate them, but they get some things right and it annoys me others can't get it right.
 
Dale_tem said:
Phones - Apple and Android
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Really? I think Windows will be a reasonable chunk here. My partner has a WinPhone (7.5) and I have to say I quite like it. It depends on how the Win 8 marketplace takes off....
 
arad85 said:
Really? I think Windows will be a reasonable chunk here. My partner has a WinPhone (7.5) and I have to say I quite like it. It depends on how the Win 8 marketplace takes off....
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I have a windows 8 phone and i love it, very different from apple of which i've had every iPhone, but the apps choice are Crap, microsoft has to PAY people to make apps for their platform.

Unless people make more apps for windows 8 stores then it will soon die.
 
Carbonangel said:
Unless people make more apps for windows 8 stores then it will soon die.
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Yup... I think Microsoft will make the investment. They know there is too much riding on it.
 
PS. Latest from NYSE: Pre-market: 462.70 -51.31 (-9.98%)

Back down again..... Going to be an interesting day to see what the market thinks.
 
arad85 said:
Apples content model is to sell hardware that makes it easy to buy their content. If you aren't selling the hardware..................
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that only covers apple failing - it doesnot cover other companies succeeding. It matters not what apple do or dont - if the other vendors dont fix their content model they wont succeed
 
Analysing their stock value means nothing to me. All I know is that I just specced up a Mac Pro in the Apple store to the same spec as my PC and it came to £4228.99 LOL ..and that's without a monitor, and only running at 3.33GHz with rather pedestrian 1300MHz RAM and a completely crap 4 year old HD5870. Seriously... you'd actually need to be mad to buy that... I mean really, really mad... like, be convinced you were told to buy it by Jesus or something.

Mine cost less than half that, and it's considerably faster in all respects, and better looking, and more versatile. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less how apple are doing.
 
by any measure apple sold a boatload of devices.

but i can see a change in perception of apple. i can remember when the iphone first came out sitting on the tube seeing nearly everyone playing with their phone with the white trademark earphones in their ear. nearly everybody with a smartphone had an iphone and i reckon this peaked at around the time the iphone 3gs came out.

iphones were paraded around like some sort of fashion accessory or status symbol (remember, back in 2007-8 they were really, really expensive compared to other phones).... but that HAS changed.

people are still in love with their ipads, ipads will kill the laptop in many households, but i do feel that the market is slowly, slowly getting bored of the iphone. for the average consumer who doesn't care about internals, the iphone hasnt really changed in 6 years. it's got a bit longer, but that's about it.

i think the iphone is probably one of the nicest looking phones out there but the problem is the software - ios - looks very, very dated and bland. i'd say this is one of the main reasons for the malaise - windows phone and android are more dynamic with their widgets and live tiles.... an iphone home screen still looks like a static windows 95 desktop in comparison.

it would be interesting to see an country-by-country breakdown of the iphone sales figures, i would assume that much of the growth is in asia - i would be amazed if the number of people owning iphones in the uk is growing - from a purely anecdotal point of view it seems not to be as most of my mates now have android phones (they all had apple back in the 3gs days)

the other problem is that smartphones used to be a luxury item and apple make luxury items - so in a sense they had the market all to themselves but like laptops and PCs, smartphones have now become commodities - the fact of the matter is that to the man on the street a £250 nexus pretty much does the same as a £500 iphone - it's the same reason why most people buy a windows computer rather than an apple one - for general core tasks they don't represent value for money.

but investors and industry commentators can't have it both ways. you can't appeal to the mass market with a single premium device. that's why android has exploded in popularity - there is a smartphone for every budget - but with apple your choices are limited and even the old 2 1/2 year old iphone 4 is expensive.
 
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Well why should iOS change just for the sake of change? It's the same because I honesty don't see how it can be better. I've now got a nook and a playbook and my wife has an adroid phone and if changing means becoming more like them then I'll not update as those os's are poor in comparison. The nook the only one that is ok in my opinion.

Personal preference I know but sometimes things are just right as they are and don't need change.
 
joescrivens said:
Well why should iOS change just for the sake of change? It's the same because I honesty don't see how it can be better. I've now got a nook and a playbook and my wife has an adroid phone and if changing means becoming more like them then I'll not update as those os's are poor in comparison. The nook the only one that is ok in my opinion.

Personal preference I know but sometimes things are just right as they are and don't need change.
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I'm typing this from an iPad, so am not particularly in the hater camp, but surely there must be something about iOS you would change?

For me it's the lack of a proper 'dashboard', the row after row of entirely static icons is really not the best solution. I won't buy an android device because they seem to over complicate things to a degree I find unnecessary*, but just a little bit more info on the home screen (left most page if you are being picky), like a summary calendar and a mail preview would be really helpful..

I love my iPad, I really do, but iOS is far from the perfect solution imho.


Oddly, I find myself strangely drawn to the new Nokia 920, I like the way Windows seems to work on a phone now (there's something I never thought I'd say!), but for now I'm happy with my 5 year old Nokia E72, I'm really reluctant to give up the old school battery life and physical keyboard....


*i'm not a technophobe, I'm actually a moderate techie, I'm just conscious of when I want deep control and when I don't want it (i.e. on a device used for basic tasks)
 
Flying Penguin said:
I'm typing this from an iPad, so am not particularly in the hater camp, but surely there must be something about iOS you would change?

For me it's the lack of a proper 'dashboard', the row after row of entirely static icons is really not the best solution. I won't buy an android device because they seem to over complicate things to a degree I find unnecessary*, but just a little bit more info on the home screen (left most page if you are being picky), like a summary calendar and a mail preview would be really helpful..

I love my iPad, I really do, but iOS is far from the perfect solution imho.


Oddly, I find myself strangely drawn to the new Nokia 920, I like the way Windows seems to work on a phone now (there's something I never thought I'd say!), but for now I'm happy with my 5 year old Nokia E72, I'm really reluctant to give up the old school battery life and physical keyboard....


*i'm not a technophobe, I'm actually a moderate techie, I'm just conscious of when I want deep control and when I don't want it (i.e. on a device used for basic tasks)
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Sure there are things to improve but it feels like some are saying they need to change it just because it hasn't been changed rather than for actual design reasons. That's the wrong reason to change something. Change to improve not for change sake.
 
i don't think iOS should change for change sake - i certainly wouldn't advocate that at all. in my personal view windows 8 is a very good example of change for change sake, rather than bringing true usability benefits (especially for non touch users)

that aside - things, tastes, technology, change and evolve. cars that looked great 5-6-7 years ago look dated today. laptops which came out 2-3-4 years ago look dated today.

ios just needs a lick of paint more than anything and sharpening up a bit - it's all grey grey grey grey.

don't get me wrong - there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with ios, but users (people) have evolved with technology too - the way ios worked (lack of customisation) i think was the right way to go in the beginning but it is now more infuriating than anything - even simple things like customising icon layout (rather than having them as a grid) is impossible and it shouldn't be.

there are lots of little bugbears i have personally (like the twin search boxes in safari - even the mac version has got rid of this horrible design) but most importantly though, it's that ios has no method to add dynamic content to the home screen.

widgets and live tiles are not for everyone i am sure, but they are incredibly useful - your facebook feed, football results, the weather, the news, stocks, whatever you want can wizz along unobtrusively on your home screen in a little widget - all the info is there without having to open all the individual apps.
 
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If you want half the things you believe Apple is missing on providing, then if possible, you can just jailbreak the device, and add SBSettings and various other add-ons (not all are free) to give you the look you want.
 
I have to say I find it staggering that the iPhone weather app icon still says 23C and sunny after so many years. It's positively antique the main interface on iOS.
 
PJ S said:
If you want half the things you believe Apple is missing on providing, then if possible, you can just jailbreak the device, and add SBSettings and various other add-ons (not all are free) to give you the look you want.
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But why would you want to do that when you can just go and get an alternative smart phone which has most of the things you want as standard? It's not like there's a major advantage to Apple hardware...

We have 2 smartphones in this house - Ms arad85 has a Nokia WinPhone 7.5 which she loves and her daughter (12 years old) has a cheap Samsung Android 2.x phone (looks like a Blackberry). Neither are jailbroken - neither have too many extra apps... They are simply used for browsing and Facebook - a personal tablet. I have a Nexus 7 that isn't jailbroken - I just haven't seen the need yet. They all just work as devices that allow us to interact with the net.
 
iOS looks VERY dated to me now. Now that it falls under Sir Ives' remit it seems obvious that it will change. His design ethic is very different to that of Scott Forstall's.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
iOS looks VERY dated to me now. Now that it falls under Sir Ives' remit it seems obvious that it will change. His design ethic is very different to that of Scott Forstall's.
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I like iOS and prefer massively to the Samsung ace work phone. Things are just easier and less gimmicky on the iPhone. The static stuff works for me fine.

I am about to buy an iPhone 5 so will have had all phones I think apart from s models. I don't really see how u can innovate much. Screen res is excellent, so aside from memory, battery and speed what else do u seriously expect to change?
 
neil_g said:
I <3 iTunes.
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I hate anything that obfuscates the underlying data. All my media is on simple SMB shares. Any metadata management is in separate libraries/databases depending on application in use. It means I can get access to the data on almost any device without import/export or DLNA servers (I still haven't found a good one)
 
cambsno said:
I like iOS and prefer massively to the Samsung ace work phone. Things are just easier and less gimmicky on the iPhone. The static stuff works for me fine.

I am about to buy an iPhone 5 so will have had all phones I think apart from s models. I don't really see how u can innovate much. Screen res is excellent, so aside from memory, battery and speed what else do u seriously expect to change?
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How it looks. A contacts app that emulates a ring-bound book is just one example of Forstall's outdated design style. It just doesn't match Ives' design style. It's very old fashioned.
 
neil_g said:
still dont get your point
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I don't want to "sync" my devices. I don't need a program to manage my media for me. It's there, on the network, not sync'd via some cloud service somewhere and placed in a system folder and obfuscated ;). It's on my fileserver. Accessed via:

//MAINSERVER/music/lossless/<Artist>/<Album>/Album.flac

Any device here just accesses that map. I use foobar2000 on the PC (which uses metadata in the FLAC to translate a path into something more meaningful. My "MP3" player can play FLAC too, as can all the devices on the network (xbmc boxes primarily, although my tablet also plays networked media too).

Fundamentally, my data is centralised (unless copied elsewhere to take offsite) and my library is distributed (each device manages a library based on the centralised metadata). This is the opposite of iTunes IMHO which centralises the database and (generally) distributes the content.
 
thats fair enough, its pretty much what i do on the desktop. and i use an app for playing flac on idevices if i feel that way inclined.

all of my content is on my microserver and not spread around..
 
joescrivens said:
Content is why.
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in content terms i'd be looking for a deal between a phone manufacturer and amazon - amazon have books pretty much sown up with the kindle, in terms of market share.

theres no particular reason why they couldnt do the same thing with music, apps, etc given the right hardware platform.

If they tied up with a phone maker to make amazon the natural choice for music on that platform , Apple (and google) could have a serious problem.

Don't get me wrong , i'm not knocking apple per se , what they have acheived is impressive and I like the products , i just don't see them as this wonderous special company , immune to the movement of the market

its rather like the apple vs windows thing when it first started - apple were in the market first, but they swiftly lost their controlling position through a lack of innovation - they've recently pulled back , but that isnt going to last without continued inovation
 
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