Anyone used Eye Control?

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I just took delivery of my nice EOS Elan IIe and have been having a play with it... is it me or is the eye control as bit of a let down? I mean yeah, great idea and it works quite well, but only on three areas :( No matter, it is a nice camera even without the EC but I have to confess that was why I went for it!

Also had the EOS iX Lite arriving today so now the wife, who insists on using APS, can get access to some nice glass (if she is nice to me that is
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Oh yeah, and the Autoreflex TC came... but enough already, I am today in Elan-playing mode :D


Arthur
 
Yup - they do an f/1.2 as well iirc
 
Works very nicely thank you on my EOS-3, and used to work a little less usefully on the EOS-5 before it. Selects any of the 45 focus points, and automatically senses if you're shooting portrait or landscape orientation. Vaguely remember that the EOS-5 used to just work with the 5 focus points and the Depth-of-field previewer.
 
Hmm - I got three points, callibrated both vertically and horizontally. And the predictive/AI servo thing. Good fun though I suppose if I had shelled out £150 for the 5 I'd want something a little better!
 
excalibur2 said:
***the Autoreflex TC came***

...and you can now use those cheap Hexanon lenses...my favourite is 40mm f1.8

Hexanon 40mm, fuji superia 200asa and enhanced in Photoshop
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn172/chakrata/hybridtest378.jpg
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Nice colour, love that shot :clap:

I also get to use the Minolta and Sony lenses too :D

It was a bit of a surprise really since I bought it with a sticky shutter... that turned out to be simply because the speed selector was loose and the camera was basically stuck on1/4 sec - now I guess I will have to use it :D


Arthur
 
Ambermile said:
Nice colour, love that shot :clap:

I also get to use the Minolta and Sony lenses too :D

It was a bit of a surprise really since I bought it with a sticky shutter... that turned out to be simply because the speed selector was loose and the camera was basically stuck on1/4 sec - now I guess I will have to use it :D


Arthur
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You probably know this site, but lurkers might find it interesting:-

http://www.buhla.de/Foto/Konica/eKonicaStart.html

Also a comparison test with the cheap 40mm f1.8 against the big boys:-
http://northcoastphotos.com/ncphoto/old/Lympa_2007_09_29.htm
 
I could never get on with eye focus. I tend to look around the frame to check composition and so the focus point kept moving.
 
I have an EOS IX too, I've sold all the other APS cameras but kept that one as the reviews always marked it out as the best of the top SLR APS cameras that were available.

Arthur your camera collection must be verging upon the size of my Fathers!
 
It used to be huge Richard, right now I am actually (no, really) trying to thin it out a bit... Trouble with doing that is you have to make decisions... like Canon or Nikon digital - I went Canon so had to then get an EF film camera :D But then I have just about decided that the Nikon will stay anyway since it's a very nice camera... and the MT-1 has to stay as I spent so long on it, the Vitomatic IIa because it is a very nice camera, the iX for the wife, the ixus for the kids (and the 400D)... and the Rollei will likely be staying, and the Retina Reflex has just today been shipped out for CLA attention in Belgium. The Bilora takes excellent old pictures, the Sensorex is a wip, as is the Konica TC... the Espio is a nice pocket size with a big zoom

Then I have some others I need to get rid of as well :D


Arthur

PS - in transit are the Rollei Giro, the Canon Demi, the Coronet Rapide, the Yashica IC, the Epoca... and a job lot of 12 I bought to get one in particular. Don;t think it's ott at all though ...
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... then there's the Rollei Nano, the Ixus Elph (doesn't count though 'cos it's the wife's), the 11 (yes, 11) Bencini Comets, three more Voigtlanders, and some odds as well... (Varex IIa, Yashica Compact 35, etc.). Still not ott though.
 
LOL

Uj was asking if I had a Retina in my collection and you know I just couldn't remember as I had so many!

Went and checked this eve and yup I have a Retina II with the lovely f2 50 Xenon lens.
 
Nice, although the big cameras do little for me (except maybe the Fuji RF stuff).
 
I meant to say about your problem with all your lenses I have similar issues with Nikon, Olympus, Canon, Leica and Pentax too!

One day I will get all the lenses in a big pile and get some photographs of just how daft my choice of lenses are!
 
Well, I have the Nikon ones, Canon ones and also a very nice white set of M42 ones as well. And some Adaptall ones, Rollei ones... like you I need to rein in a bit and take stock!

fun though :D
 
david1701 said:
this sounds so awesome, why isn't it in current eos bodies?
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because, in the EOS 5 anyway, it was crap. :p It was marketed as the next big thing, I had it turned off within 10 minutes of getting it.
 
Well, after more playing it *is* a good system that suffers from a little time lag though as you say, a bit more speed should be available now. I like the idea, I like the thinking behind the idea, and I will use it - I am even looking forward to playing with the predictive ai focus tracking/panning on Sunday at #1 son's footie match.

I'd love to see a fresh look at the system, if the Army can aim missiles by looking I am pretty sure I can take a piccie!
 
excalibur2 said:
***the Autoreflex TC came***

...and you can now use those cheap Hexanon lenses...my favourite is 40mm f1.8
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Just got me a Hexanon AR 50mm 1.8 with a free working TC for £5 :D


Playing with that AI thing it's good and bad... constant speed towards or away from the camera it's very good at altering focus... try following a football and a couple of kids zig-zagging across a field and it kind of gets tangled up on itself. Using the eye control as well as the AI servo makes things more interesting and it has possiblities but I suspect to explore them I'm going to need more experience.
 
I have it on my EOS 50E. Once calibrated it works a treat.

i cant understand why it isnt on digital slrs
 
dcash29 said:
I have it on my EOS 50E. Once calibrated it works a treat.

i cant understand why it isnt on digital slrs
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+1.
I loved it (stll do) on my 50e on which the Eye Control was a step up from the 5.
Technical reasons I believe killed it off as it wouldnt fit into a crop sensor setup and pros didnt want it on the 1 series.

Matt
 
Technical hitch #387, 55e does not like non-EF lenses! Tried it with an adapter and a 50mm PB 1.8 and all it did was open the shutter and freeze! This is causing a little consternation as I only have long EF lenses for the 10D (70-300 and 50-200)... I now need to find some dead cheap glass within a month of selling an 18-55 and a 35-70!

Ho bloody hum :(
 
there's a switch inside the lens mount on most of the EF mount film EOS camera''s that needs wedging open for use with lens adaptor rings...

bear with me while I find a link...
 
Couldn't find the original article, so went direct to the source and shot my camera...



the switch circled needs to be wedged open on certain EOS film cameras for them to work with lens adaptor rings. I discovered this after buying a couple of AF confirm adaptor rings to use my Yashica glass on the EOS-3.
 
I have to admit I switched off the Eye control on my EOS 5 shortly after buying it as I prefered to manually select focus points. I was never certain where it was focusing! Also on mine it only workd horizontal not vertical!
 
Rob.Richards said:
I have to admit I switched off the Eye control on my EOS 5 shortly after buying it as I prefered to manually select focus points. I was never certain where it was focusing! Also on mine it only workd horizontal not vertical!
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Yeah, I remember now - would only work in landscape format... wasn't much cop, and after the first bored afternoon of experimenting, I left it alone.
 
Thanks for that info BY - it's going to save me a few pennies there! Wedging it open... does that interfere with EF lenses at all then?

I *like* the eye control now, after a forced play this afternoon on doggie patrol I think I got the hang of it, and the camera movements necessary to make the system work for rather than against you. All a Q of taste and preference I guess, only eral pain is having to look in the vf the same way every time.

Arthur
 
I usually just put a bit of film-box in there, and pull it back out if I swap lenses, tbh. The switch just slides around - there's enough tension in there to keep the wedge in place, i've not had any incidences of it falling out mid shoot.
 
Excellent, and on checking, the iX does not have the little bit there so Mrs A should be good to go with adapters as well :D

Arthur
 
I dunno - cannot get the camera to work with anything other than EF lenses. BY - is that picture you posted showing the pin where it needs to be, or does it need to be wedged clockwise?
 
the shot shows the switch in it's natural position. When wedged open, it moves perhaps 3mm clockwise direction towards the red dot at top of the mount.
 
Yeah, that's what I thought, and tried. No luck, mirror goes up but no shutter opening. Mirror stays up, LCD shows lo-battery and nothing else. Have to press shutter button again to get rid of it. Dammit :(
 
can you try with the lens mounted but not quite "clicked home"...

"Camera locks up with the manual focus lens installed.

Canon EOS cameras contain tiny switches in the lens mount which are used to sense the presence of a lens with autofocus electronics. If a manual focus lens trips this switch - perhaps through a badly designed lens mount adapter - then the camera will lock up because the switch is telling it to expect an electronic lens, but there are no electronics to be seen.

In such a case you may need to unlock the lens and rotate it very slightly so that the switch doesn’t engage. If you do this don’t turn it too far - or don’t let it get bumped - because the lens might fall off!

A similar problem occurs if you install a teleconverter (extender) or extension tube between your manual focus lens and your camera. The camera will get confused and lock up because the autofocus lens switch is tripped but there aren’t any lens computers around. The workaround is the same as the above - unlock and rotate the lens and TC."

if it works then it's possible your adaptor is already pressing the switch and confusing the camera....
 
I've just had a thought - I have 2 C/Y to EOS adaptors - one is a plain ordinary dumb bit of metal, the other is one of those fancy AF confirm chip ones. The dumb metal one works with the EOS without the switch wedging open, the clever one needs the switch opening.

I've a sneaking feeling that the mounting bayonet bits may be a slightly different profile...

Edit: well - both the mountings are the same, at least to the measuring kit i've got available here... however, they ARE different in size (read shorter) to the bayonet tangs on a Kosher Canon EF lens mount - what's the betting theres another embedded microswitch somewhere :shrug:

Edit 2: I wonder - maybe your adaptor has the reverse problem to mine - ie mine needed the switch to be opened to be seen, but didn't open it - maybe yours needs the switch closed, but is long enough to open itself. I've just had a look, mounting only the adaptor ring, sans lens, and it's just possible to see if the switch moves (which it doesn't on either of mine) Maybe you could try yours and see if it does move the switch. If it does, perhaps a little application of the grinder to the relevant bayonet tang could cure it? :shrug:
 
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