Anyone here on strike tomorrow?

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lizzy23 said:
But seriously what good will it do, i refer back to my previous post, the miners had a year on strike, like it or lump it, it didn't do a blind bit of good for the cause they believed in, the pits still shut
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You can't shut schools, hospitals, prison staff, dustbin men et al. This is where the tactics of the miners strike will not work.
 
Jez2011 said:
it's a last resort when the employer/govt refuse to negotiate. Blame Cameron and his cabinet of millionaires rather than the strikers.
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1. Negotiations are ongoing
2. The Con/Lib alliance inherited a mess they are trying to sort out. If they hadn't inherited a mess, we would not be having this discussion
 
oh and as an aside, its just been on the local news that meadowhall had 20000 more shoppers through the door yesterday, than a normal weekday at this time of year, wonder who that was:whistling::whistling: maybe it was those strikers who really believed in there cause and couldnt be bothered to join the 4 on the picket lines i saw yesterday
 
Jez2011 said:
Yes - but there will be more industrial action to come if Cameron and co don't back down. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for parents who had to pay childminders yesterday, but it's not as if strike action is taken lightly - it's a last resort when the employer/govt refuse to negotiate. Blame Cameron and his cabinet of millionaires rather than the strikers.
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chance of you winning any of this by industrial action is probably less than zero

You're rapidly losing the country's support as it is - carry on and lose the rest. you may actually have entirely the opposite effect and actually make this government popular for standing up to the unions in a time of need.

So whats your suggestion? as i've asked a few people on this thread - how would you solve the probelem? I've posted some facts and figures on here - how about a meaningful discussion on how the government continues to subside public sector pensions at the current level through taxation?
 
lizzy23 said:
oh and as an aside, its just been on the local news that meadowhall had 20000 more shoppers through the door yesterday, than a normal weekday at this time of year, wonder who that was:whistling::whistling: maybe it was those strikers who really believed in there cause and couldnt be bothered to join the 4 on the picket lines i saw yesterday
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Yep, regent street and oxford street were busy yesterday with strikers/shoppers :lol::lol: certainly didnt quiten down during the marches either, most were enjoying their day off.
 
ding76uk said:
You can't shut schools, hospitals, prison staff, dustbin men et al. This is where the tactics of the miners strike will not work.
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but they didn't shut yesterday!! except the schools and if they want people to listen properly, and believe so passionately isnt that what they should do?

ETA if they're going to withhold labour, with hold it and stop playing at it
 
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ding76uk said:
You can't shut schools, hospitals, prison staff, dustbin men et al. This is where the tactics of the miners strike will not work.
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no you cant, but as everyone is saying they're underpaid- they wont be able to afford to strike anyway.

The unions wont be able to afford to pay their wages either, good lord that might eat into the available money for the union exec bonuses and payrises next year.
 
barneyrubble said:
chance of you winning any of this by industrial action is probably less than zero

You're rapidly losing the country's support as it is - carry on and lose the rest. you may actually have entirely the opposite effect and actually make this government popular for standing up to the unions in a time of need.

So whats your suggestion? as i've asked a few people on this thread - how would you solve the probelem? I've posted some facts and figures on here - how about a meaningful discussion on how the government continues to subside public sector pensions at the current level through taxation?
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exactly its a strike about a perk that many many people don't have the luxury of having
 
barneyrubble said:
Come on joe, you're always calling people on not replying. What about an answer to my question on the last page?
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was the question, "how would I solve it?"

ok, well I don't have the solution, otherwise i'd be paid £250,000 a year to implement it!!:D

but I think there are other ways of filling the hole. So for the sake of the argument if it's simplified like this:

The issue: There's a gap in what the country has and what it needs to pay out, so they need a solution to fill the gap.

their proposal: cut the public sectors salary and use that money to fill a gap. (i realise that's simplifying it, but essentially that's the proposal)

So, one of the reasons the pension fund is in jeopardy is due to dwindling stock markets. So it stands to reason that careful plans need to occur worldwide to bring public spending back to a good level and get the world out of the rescission it's in. Steer the country out of recession and as stocks increase the pension fund will start to recover. I think thats where the work should be focussed.

That's long term of course but some short term fixes; personally I think child benefit should be re-examined. Everyone gets child benefit, no matter what they earn. Personally our family earns a wage that is high enough that we could survive without it. I'm sure there is a large percentage of the country that could also live without it. So I would cap it at a certain household income of say £50,000.

I bet if all the families in this country earning over £50,000 stopped getting child benefit there would be a fir amount of money back in the pot.

In fact i'd look into lot of the benefit this country provides, I don't have a lot of sympathy for families that get benefit when they are capable of earning a living so I'd be keen to employ a better system of assessors to decide whether someone needs it or not.

I'd bring back more trade to the UK for products we currently ship in, I'd give tax benefits for large companies who agreed to keep business in this country, much like the tax cuts the film crew filming up in glasgow received compared to philly. More incentives to keep business here.

Just some of my thoughts. though!
 
lizzy23 said:
but they didn't shut yesterday!! except the schools and if they want people to listen properly, and believe so passionately isnt that what they should do?

ETA if they're going to withhold labour, with hold it and stop playing at it
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No, but they didn't run properly. The pits were different, as they could close them and the country could still run, this time they cannot close them like the pits. I love the playing down of 85% of schools closed, almost all minor procedures at hospitals cancelled, but you know because Cameron said it was not effective, means it wasn't.:bonk:
 
ding76uk said:
No, but they didn't run properly. The pits were different, as they could close them and the country could still run, this time they cannot close them like the pits. I love the playing down of 85% of schools closed, almost all minor procedures at hospitals cancelled, but you know because Cameron said it was not effective, means it wasn't.:bonk:
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to be quite honest, i haven't heard anything from any politician and i'm not interested, personally i think there all as bad as each other, my point is they may have not run properly, but the country didn't grind to a halt
 
joescrivens said:
was the question, "how would I solve it?"

ok, well I don't have the solution, otherwise i'd be paid £250,000 a year to implement it!!:D

but I think there are other ways of filling the hole. So for the sake of the argument if it's simplified like this:

The issue: There's a gap in what the country has and what it needs to pay out, so they need a solution to fill the gap.

their proposal: cut the public sectors salary and use that money to fill a gap. (i realise that's simplifying it, but essentially that's the proposal)

So, one of the reasons the pension fund is in jeopardy is due to dwindling stock markets. So it stands to reason that careful plans need to occur worldwide to bring public spending back to a good level and get the world out of the rescission it's in. Steer the country out of recession and as stocks increase the pension fund will start to recover. I think thats where the work should be focussed.

That's long term of course but some short term fixes; personally I think child benefit should be re-examined. Everyone gets child benefit, no matter what they earn. Personally our family earns a wage that is high enough that we could survive without it. I'm sure there is a large percentage of the country that could also live without it. So I would cap it at a certain household income of say £50,000.

I bet if all the families in this country earning over £50,000 stopped getting child benefit there would be a fir amount of money back in the pot.

In fact i'd look into lot of the benefit this country provides, I don't have a lot of sympathy for families that get benefit when they are capable of earning a living so I'd be keen to employ a better system of assessors to decide whether someone needs it or not.

I'd bring back more trade to the UK for products we currently ship in, I'd give tax benefits for large companies who agreed to keep business in this country, much like the tax cuts the film crew filming up in glasgow received compared to philly. More incentives to keep business here.

Just some of my thoughts. though!
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Child benefit already being done from jan 2013 - but a lot more is needed
 
ding76uk said:
Then they can better themselves, get a better job and get a pension, nothing is stopping anyone!
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hold on a minute, i have a good job that pays me 38k a year which is a bloody good salary round these parts, but the cost of living means i still can't afford to put in to a pension;)
 
ding76uk said:
Well not going into Libya for Oil, oops I mean to help, would have saved 15 billion, would have kept it going a week or 2
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apart from the fact it was less than one billion you mean? you dont work for a trade union do you with figures like that?:lol::lol:
 
lizzy23 said:
hold on a minute, i have a good job that pays me 38k a year which is a bloody good salary round these parts, but the cost of living means i still can't afford to put in to a pension;)
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You probably need to give up one of your holidays!
 
lizzy23 said:
hold on a minute, i have a good job that pays me 38k a year which is a bloody good salary round these parts, but the cost of living means i still can't afford to put in to a pension;)
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Oh of course you can afford to, you just don't see it as a priority.
 
lizzy23 said:
hold on a minute, i have a good job that pays me 38k a year which is a bloody good salary round these parts, but the cost of living means i still can't afford to put in to a pension;)
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How do you think a teacher on average 8K less than you in the same area manages, must be their gold plated pension.
 
EOS_JD said:
You probably need to give up one of your holidays!
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what holidays i'm on call 24/7 can't leave home without my phone and expected to drop everything if a problem occurs:D:D
 
EOS_JD said:
If a teacher cannot motivate himself to get out for a salary of over £30k working 9-3 and getting more holidays than you can shake a stick at..... they need to chuck it!
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Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
 
barneyrubble said:
Child benefit already being done from jan 2013 - but a lot more is needed
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People should be taxed for each and every child they have and not given incentives to have more :shrug:
 
ding76uk said:
How do you think a teacher on average 8K less than you in the same area manages, must be their gold plated pension.
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Bull my sisters a teacher in one of the rougher schools in Rotherham and earns as much as me, she also gets her pension paid into for her
 
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joescrivens said:
Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
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Well most teachers, don't even work, they just sit there and make the kids do it:lol:
 
joescrivens said:
Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
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How old were you at the time Joe? and I bet you had no experience? You would not have been forced into doing extra hours but you chose to? Everyone has to start a job somewhere and even today that salary would be pretty much what a lot of private sector jobs would pay at start. You also don't say when this was?

Any starter being paid a few pounds over minimum wage would or should be grateful :)
 
joescrivens said:
Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
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Basic salary for a teacher is about £21k
I accept that they do more hours than just 9-3 but from my experience (being family, one of my best friends and his mate, they have it easy! Working weekends is not something they do - ever!

Everyone is different though.
 
joescrivens said:
Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
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Sorry joe, I know a number of teachers and none of them do those sort of hours.
 
lizzy23 said:
what holidays i'm on call 24/7 can't leave home without my phone and expected to drop everything if a problem occurs:D:D
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I believe you!
 
ding76uk said:
No, not bull, your sister will be at the top of the pay scale. She is not average. The AVERAGE teacher is on around 30K.
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we'll agree to disagree she says its average, not me! oh and she doesn't work half the hrs that Jo described
 
lizzy23 said:
Bull my sisters a teacher in one of the rougher schools in Rotherham and earns as much as me, she also gets her pension paid into for her
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Teacher's will pay into their pension as all public workers who contribute do. I was 6% contribution with the coucil putting in 8% I think it was at the time.
 
joescrivens said:
Clearly you have never been a teacher. Let me paint the real picture for you from my 4 years of teaching:

My first year of teaching I earned £17,595 per annum.

Daily hours - 8am till 4pm then 6pm till 9pm Mon to friday
Saturday I did nothing.
Sunday 10am till 3pm
worked through every lunch hour

weekly hours - 60

12 weeks holidays of which i would work probably half of them so 6 weeks where i would likely do 5 hours a day during the week

overall year hours worked - 2550

so about £6.90 an hour, a few pounds above minimum wage at the time. A standard working week of 38 hours would be 1976 hours.

Just to give you a better perspective of what the job requires.
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And this is different to a lot of private sector jobs how? Oh yeah, I get only 5 weeks holiday (part of which I will work) as opposed to 12 where you worked pretty much a half day and still have 6 weeks clear holiday.
 
EOS_JD said:
I believe you!
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I am, last email came in around an hr since, its in my contract, i'm the emergency contact for my site for all the supermarkets in case of product recall, so basically i'm responsible for not killing a large amount of the population from dodgy food, so if something goes wrong i have to be contactable
 
EOS_JD said:
Teacher's will pay into their pension as all public workers who contribute do. I was 6% contribution with the coucil putting in 8% I think it was at the time.
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So that's where the council tax goes? .......... I knew it didn't go into public services :D
 
fabs said:
And this is different to a lot of private sector jobs how? Oh yeah, I get only 5 weeks holiday (part of which I will work) as opposed to 12 where you worked pretty much a half day and still have 6 weeks clear holiday.
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I was just about to reply when I thought that!

Most will be working more hours.

I suppose it's difficult to generalise though. Not everyone does the same whether in private or public sectors
 
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