Anyone here on strike tomorrow?

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SpikeK6 said:
I have a solution.

My wife was on a final salary pension with her company for 21 years she paid in so did the company, now in this day and age the pension fund was not growing (ooh suprise suprise) and the company was paying in an extra £4m a year to keep it at what was needed.

Sooooo they called a halt on it and gave them some decisions to make. The only one that seemed like a win win was this:

My wife took the money out and paid it into a private pension, the company still pays the same into that private pension aswell same as they would have for the final salary one but in the first year they say we will also put in an extra 10% of your salary, then for the next 4 years we will put in an extra 5% of your salary and then the extra stops but they still pay what they where before.

Now after alot of humming and harring me and the wife went to see an IFA and get a good deal on a "rats" Retirement Annuity Trusts and it works well.
She is happy her company is happy and everyone is a winner.

seems to me this could be an answer to all the poeple who have final salary pensions.

And as for all the people on here saying ooh we had to take the day off because we have kids to look after, well they are your kids you look after them, they are your responsability no one elses, what do you do if they are ill and cannot go to school???

People are fighting for something they have signed for and are fighting to keep it, we all do this in a round about way and if stiking is the only way to get heard then so be it.
Strikes have happend for years to get better conditions in the construction industry, it worked then and I do not see how it cannot work now for others.

Oh and by the way the wife is in finance (accountant) and I am a builder and I get absolutely nothing from my company for a pension so I have if i wanted too have my own ,which I donot i have property which in this day and age is worth a darn sigt more than any pension will be.

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But striking doesn't work look at the miners A year on strike, they still shut the pits, I remember the steel workers doing it in the 70's there's now a ruddy great shopping centre built on them
 
Defiance said:
That was extremely rude and disrespectful.
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in what way?

I'm saying people who are in the same situation but accept it is their choice.

other people want to strive for more?

what's rude and disrespectful about that?
 
joescrivens said:
in what way?

I'm saying people who are in the same situation but accept it is their choice.

other people want to strive for more?

what's rude and disrespectful about that?
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How do you know he didn't want to improve things ? And are you saying he has low aspirations ? Maybe it's just the way you wrote it in a derogatory and dismissive manner.
 
Spike. Yes, if my kids are ill then that's down to me to stay at home, or if the snow is very bad. That's life, but be forced to do that by someone else then I draw the line. Many teachers get the hump if u take them out of school. U can't have it both ways.
 
Defiance said:
How do you know he didn't want to improve things ? And are you saying he has low aspirations ? Maybe it's just the way you wrote it in a derogatory and dismissive manner.
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in his post he gives the impression that he was satisfied with what he got and had no want to put action into change things, otherwise why wouldn't he have done?

I'm saying other people have higher aspirations to want to change their job conditions than him, that doesn't mean his are low. The empire state building wasn't as tall as the world trade center, doesn't mean it was low.
 
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I bet the wealthy and powerful sitting in their metaphorical thrones are grinning with satisfaction at the way they have the masses bickering between themselves over pettier inequalities whilst they remain untouched in the way they set the rules for their own finances, making it legal to earn huge bonuses despite crippling companies, to continue to be allowed to take said bonuses and astronomical salaries to offshore bank accounts so they have to return virtually nothing to society. Oh how they must laugh.

On a lighter note I read this online...sadly I can't take credit for it myself!

A banker, a nurse, a Tory MP, and a Daily Mail reader are sitting around a table that bears a plate of 10 biscuits. The banker scoffs 9 of them, whereupon the MP leans over, whispering into the Daily Mail reader's ear: "Watch out, that nurse is after your biscuit."
 
joescrivens said:
in his post he gives the impression that he was satisfied with what he got and had no want to put action into change things, otherwise why wouldn't he have done?

I'm saying other people have higher aspirations to want to change their job conditions than him, that doesn't mean his are low. The empire state building wasn't as tall as the world trade center, doesn't mean it was low.
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Are you suggesting for one minute that I could have stood on a mound of spoil on a construction site and shouted to all " I`m on strike for better conditions? " :lol::lol::lol: I would have had a very short career in construction that is all I can say. Tbh I find most of your way of thinking pretty naive more than anything else.
 
u8myufo said:
Are you suggesting for one minute that I could have stood on a mound of spoil on a construction site and shouted to all " I`m on strike for better conditions? " :lol::lol::lol: I would have had a very short career in construction that is all I can say. Tbh I find most of your way of thinking pretty naive more than anything else.
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lol, that might have been amusing though!!

What I am saying is that your argument and others on here seems to be "We had it as bad or worse, so you should too"

that just doesn't make sense. If other people aren't willing to settle for something that you did/had to. Why shouldn't they fight against it if they want to.
 
joescrivens said:
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aren't the union leaders there to backup the people striking, and work around the organisation of it and media etc tec. What would it achieve by them striking too?

The public sectors deliberately strike to cause inconvenience to the public, that's the whole point. Union leaders striking would only inconvenience the workers that are striking - which would defeat the object of their role, wouldn't it?
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Emmm.... No it's not! Don't think I ever went on strike to cause inconvenience to anyone but my employers! (government)
 
because those peoples whole working attitude is still set in the miners mentality of the 70s....thanks to the unions.

No one has a 'right' to a job, but thats the attitude in public sector organisations. employment and salaries across the country are based on basic affordability/supply and demand....except in public sector where clever media management by the unions means they have created an image of 'poor underpaid over worked' public sector workers. the reality is salaries are highly inflated for the level of skills employed, pensions are very generous and try and get someone sacked in public sector...it doesnt happen.. sick leave...lets ask you about that one...reality is mismanagement and awful working attitudes driven by the unions...if you create the conflict you make the reason to keep the unions..thats how theyve always worked.
 
u8myufo said:
Does this mean some people actually have pensions :gag: Being in construction most of my life you had jack paid in by any company you worked for, you were lucky if you had any spare to pay into a private one. What little I could afford to pay into one over the years is worthless, did I ever strike over it :shake: I could go on about how hard it is to work in construction and the real sh.tty conditions I have had to endure over the years, but I still class myself as fortunate compared to some jobs that people I have met along the way have had to do and for even worse pay and conditions. The only thing I have to say to those that were on strike is stop whinging, be grateful you even have a job and get on with what you are paid to do.
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:clap::clap::clap:
 
joescrivens said:
But if a teacher, nurse or firefighter can't motivate themselves to do what's needed then your child might not get the education they need, your house might burn down or your life may not be saved.
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No. They need to move on and do something they would be happy doing and let one of the many thousands who can't get a job and are suitably capable do it.

Once you have the attitude you hate your job there's not a lot going to change that - except change itself.

joescrivens said:
I don't know where you work, but in my job if I'm not in a happy place then the company suffers do to my performance. But if a teacher, nurse or firefighter can't motivate themselves to do what's needed then your child might not get the education they need, your house might burn down or your life may not be saved
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If you are not doing your job properly in the private sector you get sacked. In the public sector you get away with pretty much anything barring the most serious of crimes! If a teacher cannot motivate himself to get out for a salary of over £30k working 9-3 and getting more holidays than you can shake a stick at..... they need to chuck it!

I'm not saying it's an easy job being a teacher, far from it!
 
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arwesa said:
because those peoples whole working attitude is still set in the miners mentality of the 70s....thanks to the unions.

No one has a 'right' to a job, but thats the attitude in public sector organisations. employment and salaries across the country are based on basic affordability/supply and demand....except in public sector where clever media management by the unions means they have created an image of 'poor underpaid over worked' public sector workers. the reality is salaries are highly inflated for the level of skills employed, pensions are very generous and try and get someone sacked in public sector...it doesnt happen.. sick leave...lets ask you about that one...reality is mismanagement and awful working attitudes driven by the unions...if you create the conflict you make the reason to keep the unions..thats how theyve always worked.
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How have you managed to come to that staggering conclusion?
 
EOS_JD said:
No. They need to move on and do something they would be happy doing and let one of the many thousands who can't get a job and are suitably capable do it.

Once you have the attitude you hate your job there's not a lot going to change that - except change itself.
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keep up JD!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

every post you reply to is like 2 pages back, it moves on so quick i can't even remember what half the stuff being debated was back then :lol::lol:

that is whats happening, teaching has one of the biggest turnovers than any industry and one of the highest work stress related numbers. Other people then come in, realise the job sucks and move on.
 
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joescrivens said:
well i would urge you to think community more than just about yourself.
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And for that reason alone the strikes should NEVER have taken place.
 
Come on joe, you're always calling people on not replying. What about an answer to my question on the last page?
 
arwesa said:
dont be fooled by public sector unions...

For too long the civil service has been infected by a cancerous attitude of inefficiency, jobsworth waste resulting directly from being scared of union reaction to change...fear of the reaction if jobs needed to be cut.. Ive seen decisions made to avoid efficiency because the unions 'wouldnt agree to the job cuts'

add to that, civil servants who are put into roles they arent qualified to do and end up paying for consultants to do their work for them and decisions being made 'beacuse we promised a minister we'd do this' irrelevant of reality, with poor decisions being made to cover up poor decisions and eventually the house of cards has to collapse......

Im a consultant, Ive financially benefitted from these problems, but as a tax payer it leaves me with a unique and accurate perspective .... its about time the public sector woke up and realised in todays world e.g. refusing to work over 10 mins to ensure something happens on time or a deadline isnt missed is no longer tollerable.

Ive personally told a gov dept they were planning to pay 3 times what they should for a certain service only to be told to keep quiet as its not my place to say anything... or decisions made not to do the most cost efficient thing a replace a system because it would mean replacing something that the week before theyd paid to have upgraded.... i.e. spend more to cover up the fact the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing...

I could go on but then it'd be a rant....the unions have too much power and use it to keep hold of their power...dont believe anyone in public sector who says they cant be more efficient...remove the unions and the cancerous attitudes will subside.
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I experienced that too. :thumbs:
 
EOS_JD said:
And for that reason alone the strikes should NEVER have taken place.
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Exactly, if they were thinking about the community, the 7000 minor ops that were cancelled yesterday wouldn't have been, and no one would have had to take time off because some inconsiderate sod decided they wanted to keep their ts&cs the same even though the country is bankrupt :lol::lol::lol:
 
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joescrivens said:
keep up JD!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

every post you reply to is like 2 pages back, it moves on so quick i can't even remember what half the stuff being debated was back then :lol::lol:

that is whats happening, teaching has one of the biggest turnovers than any industry and one of the highest work stress related numbers. Other people then come in, realise the job sucks and move on.
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Sorry Joe :) I do like the debate but just catching up after a hard days work in the private sector!:naughty:
 
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Yeah don't strike, join the race to the bottom, while the rich keep getting richer.
 
Striking won't stop that
 
fabs said:
And those who had to take unpaid leave/pay childminders.

So how is that going to make the rich less rich and the poor less poor?
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The poor will not have their pension pot dipped into by the rich.
 
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fabs said:
As a result of yesterday's strike, highly unlikely isn't it?
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Yes - but there will be more industrial action to come if Cameron and co don't back down. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for parents who had to pay childminders yesterday, but it's not as if strike action is taken lightly - it's a last resort when the employer/govt refuse to negotiate. Blame Cameron and his cabinet of millionaires rather than the strikers.
 
Seriously, this strike makes me sick. I don't have a great salary (below national average) and every penny counts. I can't afford a pension. The tax I pay goes towards the public sector pensions. Luckily my little girl isn't at school yet and I didn't have to have a day off work yesterday but I have a friend who did - it cost her £100 for yesterday, which is ridiculous. She only earns about £35 a day but she's new and didn't want to "let us all down".
So all you £35k per year strikers think about things for a while. There are a lot of people a lot worse off than you and its us who you're hurting with your strike. I have sympathy for those who get paid a pittance but NOT the rest of you complaining cos you were "promised..." I shouldn't even be at work due to my health but I can't afford not to and I have too much self respect to demand the state pays my way.
Try living on £30 a week for your weekly shop, like I have had to (family of three). While you're sat having you're christmas turkey we aren't having a christmas. We can't afford to.
 
Even though this thread is going round in circles, I can't wait to see who gets the last word. My money is on Joe....;)
 
Ste Manns said:
Seriously, this strike makes me sick. I don't have a great salary (below national average) and every penny counts. I can't afford a pension. The tax I pay goes towards the public sector pensions. Luckily my little girl isn't at school yet and I didn't have to have a day off work yesterday but I have a friend who did - it cost her £100 for yesterday, which is ridiculous. She only earns about £35 a day but she's new and didn't want to "let us all down".
So all you £35k per year strikers think about things for a while. There are a lot of people a lot worse off than you and its us who you're hurting with your strike. I have sympathy for those who get paid a pittance but NOT the rest of you complaining cos you were "promised..." I shouldn't even be at work due to my health but I can't afford not to and I have too much self respect to demand the state pays my way.
Try living on £30 a week for your weekly shop, like I have had to (family of three). While you're sat having you're christmas turkey we aren't having a christmas. We can't afford to.
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To be fair to the strikers, I'd bet most are NOT on £35k p.a.
 
Jez2011 said:
Yes - but there will be more industrial action to come if Cameron and co don't back down. Don't get me wrong, I do feel sorry for parents who had to pay childminders yesterday, but it's not as if strike action is taken lightly - it's a last resort when the employer/govt refuse to negotiate. Blame Cameron and his cabinet of millionaires rather than the strikers.
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But seriously what good will it do, i refer back to my previous post, the miners had a year on strike, like it or lump it, it didn't do a blind bit of good for the cause they believed in, the pits still shut, all they got was a years worth of struggling and the heart ripped out of the communtities when the ones who realised that it wasn't doing any good went back to work and were forced out of villages they'd spent their lives in, i still know families that don't speak to each other 28 years later because of it.

All these strikes are doing is dividing opinion in a country that is teetering on the brink anyway, and its not about public or private sectors, its about bringing the country onto an even keel, we can't do that unless we accept that sacrifices will have to be made in all sectors, i do worry about my retirement, and would love to have any type of pension, but the fact of the matter is i can't afford to put anything in if i want to live at the moment.
 
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