anyone got a Dacia Duster?

[BlackCloud]

Thanks for the heads up re the petrols. Hadn't gotten around to doing my research yet as new car will be next year.

 

[BillN_33]

£800 for a tow bar sounds excessive. I bought one from ebay scrappy for the passat for just £50; another £50 to install.

They have to remove the rear bumper and fit a wiring loom so that it works with the rear parking sensors etc., the tow bar is the detachable type

 

[Mr Bump]

I think those Dacia Cars look pretty good, whats the warranty on them 3 years or 5 years?

I would get one to keep for say 5 years then you jave dealt with the depreciation and had a decent car for not a lot.

people on here are by the nature of the hobby "luxurists" its not like this site is full of people on low incomes or who need to be carefull and frugle.

Stepway looks very nice.

 

[Stephen L]

Will be seriously considering a Yeti next year. A bit undecided presently but the 1.8 petrol looks interesting. (mostly short trips for me, a diesel/dpf would be a concern).

I have a Yet 1.8 petrol. 2014 L&K model. Best new car I've ever owned - and I've worked in and around the motor trade in my past life. Didn't want a diesel 'cos my day-to-day motoring consists of short runs along unmade tracks.

 

[boliston]

i quite like the dacia "bare bones" way of selling cars where you can do with out fancy add ons like electric windows, fancy coloured bumpers, central locking, audio system etc and you just get A to B transport at a rock bottom price

 

[nilagin]

I think those Dacia Cars look pretty good, whats the warranty on them 3 years or 5 years?

I would get one to keep for say 5 years then you jave dealt with the depreciation and had a decent car for not a lot.

people on here are by the nature of the hobby "luxurists" its not like this site is full of people on low incomes or who need to be carefull and frugle.

Stepway looks very nice.

For the amount a Dacia loses in just a year, you can have much better cars on PCP plans. After 5 years a Dacia will be pretty much worthless.

 

[Mr Bump]

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For the amount a Dacia loses in just a year, you can have much better cars on PCP plans. After 5 years a Dacia will be pretty much worthless.

true but you cannot do 100,000 miles on a PCP plan.

You can on a duster in 5 years and then yes its worthless.

 

[Steep]

Horlicks nilagin, Dacias have the same depreciation as most other vehicles the difference is you start out with a much lower price point so the second hand value is lower.

When I traded mine last year I got top book price for it which in itself doesn't mean much but I was very happy with the figure.

 

[nilagin]

Horlicks nilagin, Dacias have the same depreciation as most other vehicles the difference is you start out with a much lower price point so the second hand value is lower.

When I traded mine last year I got top book price for it which in itself doesn't mean much but I was very happy with the figure.

Like I said, for the amount a Dacia will lose in a year you can get much better cars on PCP. The Sandero is a similar style vehicle to the Ford Ecosport, the latter in Titanium trim level costs over £18k but can be had for under £2,500 for a year, the Sandero will have lost about £3500 over the same period according to Parkers price guides.

 

[nilagin]

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true but you cannot do 100,000 miles on a PCP plan.

You can on a duster in 5 years and then yes its worthless.

Don't think I'll be wanting to be driving 20k a year in a Duster.

 

[boliston]

Like I said, for the amount a Dacia will lose in a year you can get much better cars on PCP. The Sandero is a similar style vehicle to the Ford Ecosport, the latter in Titanium trim level costs over £18k but can be had for under £2,500 for a year, the Sandero will have lost about £3500 over the same period according to Parkers price guides.

If a new sandero is £5995 and you would hope to get 5 years motoring from it then that's only £1200 a year - less than half the cost of the ford! If the car lasts over 5 years then it's quids in.

 

[nilagin]

If a new sandero is £5995 and you would hope to get 5 years motoring from it then that's only £1200 a year - less than half the cost of the ford! If the car lasts over 5 years then it's quids in.

According to Parkers, Sandero's start at over £8500 and go up to over £10k, after a year they are worth £5k and £7k respectively. Even Parkers only really recommends them as a second hand buy but only for a second car or a new driver, as they will be so cheap. You may as well buy a 2nd hand car for £10k than buy a Dacia, you'll lose a darn sight less in 5 years.

 

[boliston]

According to Parkers, Sandero's start at over £8500 and go up to over £10k, after a year they are worth £5k and £7k respectively. Even Parkers only really recommends them as a second hand buy but only for a second car or a new driver, as they will be so cheap. You may as well buy a 2nd hand car for £10k than buy a Dacia, you'll lose a darn sight less in 5 years.

dacia's own website says that a sandero is £5995 for the basic model http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/sandero/
there is no way i'd ever spend £10k on a second hand motor when god knows what could go wrong and you have no idea how it was treated by the previous owner(s)
the idea of buying a cheap new sandero and "pimping it up" with lots of add ons and extras (fancy paint, aircon, alloys etc) to bring it up to £8500-£10000 to me seems very silly as you may a well just get a more expensive car to start with.

 

[BlackCloud]

I have a Yet 1.8 petrol. 2014 L&K model. Best new car I've ever owned - and I've worked in and around the motor trade in my past life. Didn't want a diesel 'cos my day-to-day motoring consists of short runs along unmade tracks.

Just wondered if these are thirsty on petrol. A review I read it suggests they are. I'm used to a 2 litre petrol anyway, but the Skoda was made out to be quite uneconomical?

 

[Steep]

It can be confusing as there's a Sandero and a Sandero Stepway with the Stepway being the more expensive.

nilagin the only way to know if you'd be happy driving 25k a year in a Duster would be to try it. I found mine to be very comfortable and responsive both in power and steering. The cars are made using tried and tested parts, mainly Renault but some from Nissan, sitting in one you can see the Renault heritage. Sure the plastics can look a bit cheap compared to others but when you're driving you're hopefully looking out the window, not at the dash.

I don't know why I'm selling the brand so much, I loved the car but I don't want to do the company any favours.

 

[Stephen L]

Just wondered if these are thirsty on petrol. A review I read it suggests they are. I'm used to a 2 litre petrol anyway, but the Skoda was made out to be quite uneconomical?

Knocking around the locality on short, low-gear journeys I get about 30mpg. A trip up the motorway at 70-80 gives about 38mpg. I use the quite quick acceleration to its best! But they're not the most aerodynamic of cars.

 

[BillN_33]

The Stepway and Sandero are very popular in S Africa and are even cheaper there ......... I have rented the Stepway twice and the Sandero once both for 6 week periods - this year we rented the Ford Fiesta.

Apart from the very main roads the South African road can be (very) rough- I took the Stepway over a couple of long mountain dirt and shales "tracks" (e.g Swartberg Pass and similar) - miles and miles of them - I did not have a problem

The Sandero had the new Renault 0.9 turbo petrol engine and the performance was good much better than the (basic) Fiesta we hired this year - I preferred the Sandero to the Ford, which is maybe near twice the price and the Stepway was pretty good

all petrol engines

In France the dealers will not give a discount on new Dacias - not even 2%

They are cheap because they are built in countries with low labour costs using older Renault technology and design - but the engines are the latest Renault units as is some of the running gear - if you want a new car and can get over the word Dacia, (by the way they are badged as Renault in S Africa ...... no mention of the word Dacia), they are worth considering - as I said I have driven them for 3 x 6 week periods

Previously we rented Polo's - with the "old" 1.6 engine, (still being used out there and called a Vivo), and my son did - they both broke down

 

[nilagin]

dacia's own website says that a sandero is £5995 for the basic model http://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/sandero/
there is no way i'd ever spend £10k on a second hand motor when god knows what could go wrong and you have no idea how it was treated by the previous owner(s)
the idea of buying a cheap new sandero and "pimping it up" with lots of add ons and extras (fancy paint, aircon, alloys etc) to bring it up to £8500-£10000 to me seems very silly as you may a well just get a more expensive car to start with.

I was talking about the Stepway variant which others had already mentioned. You could still buy a far better 2nd hand car for £6k and still not suffer the depreciation,
I've spent £10k on a 3yr old, second hand car, nothing wrong with it, I've even spent £18k on a 1yr old, second hand car, came with 2yrs full guarantee too. Nothing wrong with that neither.

 

[nilagin]

The Sandero had the new Renault 0.9 turbo petrol engine and the performance was good much better than the (basic) Fiesta we hired this year - I preferred the Sandero to the Ford, which is maybe near twice the price and the Stepway was pretty good

all petrol engines

As the base Fiesta is only 59bhp, of course the Renault 0.9 Turbo engine would perform better. Next time try the Ford 1.0 turbo engine. about 10bhp and 30Nm of torque more, in the lower powered version or 50bhp and 60Nm of torque in the most powerful version of the same engine.
If you were in S Africa why weren't you driving a V8 anyway.

 

[BillN_33]

If you were in S Africa why weren't you driving a V8 anyway.

Cost me £550 to rent the car for 7 weeks

In France they have just started supplying the Duster with the 1.2 TCE 125bhp Petrol engine - top spec - 2WD under £13k

 

[BillN_33]

As the base Fiesta is only 59bhp,
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The Fiesta
when I turned the Aircon on the car slowed down - turn it off and it shot forward............... at standstill with the AirCon on full it almost stalled

 

[Steep]

In France the dealers will not give a discount on new Dacias - not even 2%

That's pretty much how it works here too, a dealer will sometimes give mats or fuel etc. but almost never discount. Part of that is the very low margin the dealer gets, I have no direct evidence but have read on the Dacia Forum that £100 is all they make on a sale.

 

[dejongj]

Cost me £550 to rent the car for 7 weeks

In France they have just started supplying the Duster with the 1.2 TCE 125bhp Petrol engine - top spec - 2WD under £13k

I never understood why people go for vehicles that look like a 4wd but isn't a 4wd. Seems like lipstick on a pig to me.

 

[BillN_33]

I never understood why people go for vehicles that look like a 4wd but isn't a 4wd. Seems like lipstick on a pig to me.

4WD is Euros 2k more

the correct tyres on a 2WD are very effective

 

[dejongj]

4WD is Euros 2k more

the correct tyres on a 2WD are very effective

A Sandero is £4K less than the 2WD, seems to give the same amount of space, and can also be given correct tyres

 

[nilagin]

I never understood why people go for vehicles that look like a 4wd but isn't a 4wd. Seems like lipstick on a pig to me.

Same could be said for people who buy a 4wd but don't really need it. I'd imagine buying a pseudo 4wd would be down to driving position and the function of the vehicle and knowing 4wd won't be needed just wasting fuel etc. Better to have intelligent 4wd where it comes in when 2wd can't cope.

 

[Steep]

UK Dusters come with all season Mud&Snow tyres which do well in most conditions. The Sandero doesn't have anything like the same space in the rear or the same engine or the same wheels or the same tyres...

 

[Steep]

Same could be said for people who buy a 4wd but don't really need it. I'd imagine buying a pseudo 4wd would be down to driving position and the function of the vehicle and knowing 4wd won't be needed just wasting fuel etc. Better to have intelligent 4wd where it comes in when 2wd can't cope.

Exactly the reasons I bought my 2wd version, decent driving position and a knowledge that I would never need 4wd so why pay for it.

 

[dejongj]

UK Dusters come with all season Mud&Snow tyres which do well in most conditions. The Sandero doesn't have anything like the same space in the rear or the same engine or the same wheels or the same tyres...

Get the logan then, still £3K cheaper and more space All season M&S wow, bet that works well stopping in the rain

 

[dejongj]

Same could be said for people who buy a 4wd but don't really need it. I'd imagine buying a pseudo 4wd would be down to driving position and the function of the vehicle and knowing 4wd won't be needed just wasting fuel etc. Better to have intelligent 4wd where it comes in when 2wd can't cope.

Absolutely. The driving position is a farcical as it really isn't a high up vehicle. And we are making it worse with all the late arrivals to the '4wd' market since there are now so many, the driving position for normal driving barely provides any advantage anymore. Driving and handling are all compromises. Each to their own choice, I find it pointless...And hilarious to see them drive around puddles and all sorts...

 

[border_all]

If you have your fabia garaged and have a power socket get an intelligent charger leave the clips on the battery and when not in use connect your charger cost probably less than £100

Diesel Duster vs Petrol weigh up how many miles over your five year spell calculate cost for both fuels if the diesel will cost less for the fuel sounds like a winner

Would not touch PCP could cost you a mint for minor nicks etc when you turn it in

Just my 2cents

 

[dejongj]

If you have your fabia garaged and have a power socket get an intelligent charger leave the clips on the battery and when not in use connect your charger cost probably less than £100

Diesel Duster vs Petrol weigh up how many miles over your five year spell calculate cost for both fuels if the diesel will cost less for the fuel sounds like a winner

Would not touch PCP could cost you a mint for minor nicks etc when you turn it in

Just my 2cents

Absolutely rubbish regarding the PCP for minor nicks. There are very clear rules about that which are very generous indeed, including scuffs on wheels etc. The rules are clearly available for all in that industry.

 

[border_all]

Absolutely rubbish regarding the PCP for minor nicks. There are very clear rules about that which are very generous indeed, including scuffs on wheels etc. The rules are clearly available for all in that industry.

Sorry in the past I worked checking returned cars and many would be horrified how much some companies charged for nothing so in this case I think clear rules are absolute rubbish

 

[dejongj]

Sorry in the past I worked checking returned cars and many would be horrified how much some companies charged for nothing so in this case I think clear rules are absolute rubbish

How long ago was the past? The BVRLA Fair Wear and Tear rules define it clearly and ambiguously. I think scratches up to 2.5cm or wheel scuff unto 2.5cm for example is pretty generous. Chips are acceptable. Dents unto 1cm unless paint has been broken. Just to name a few examples out of the guidelines. If you got bigger issues than that, then I think it is fair enough to get charged if you haven't fixed it yourself.

 

[Steep]

Two and a half years back when I bought my Duster the choice was pretty simple, the 1.6 petrol engine was underpowered, hungry and rough and there was only one available, the Diesel on the other hand was a good, popular and well tested engine. With the price of the car being so low it made sense to me to go Diesel even though my mileage in it was going to be very low. That and with me driving Diesel vans I just know that at some point I was going to put Diesel in the tank without thinking.

 

[border_all]

How long ago was the past? The BVRLA Fair Wear and Tear rules define it clearly and ambiguously. I think scratches up to 2.5cm or wheel scuff unto 2.5cm for example is pretty generous. Chips are acceptable. Dents unto 1cm unless paint has been broken. Just to name a few examples out of the guidelines. If you got bigger issues than that, then I think it is fair enough to get charged if you haven't fixed it yourself.

But maybe all would not agree with you

Let's clarify I said I would not touch PCP you want a PCP go for it its your money not worth the chance for me and let's remember the company who does your PCP will charge interest on the final balloon payment do the calculations from start to end PCP carries cost

As said you do what you fancy but my choice not wanting PCP is not absolutely rubbish as you claimed

 

[dejongj]

But maybe all would not agree with you

Let's clarify I said I would not touch PCP you want a PCP go for it its your money not worth the chance for me and let's remember the company who does your PCP will charge interest on the final balloon payment do the calculations from start to end PCP carries cost

As said you do what you fancy but my choice not wanting PCP is not absolutely rubbish as you claimed

I'm glad you wanted to clarify as that is not what I said. I merely responded to your comment;

Would not touch PCP could cost you a mint for minor nicks etc when you turn it in

Just my 2cents

Indeed just your two cents. However as I've demonstrated and quantified it doesn't cost you a mint for minor nicks. In fact the minor nicks are rather generous I would say as highlighted above.

If you don't want PCP then absolutely fine I won't loose any sleep over it, but please don't spread urban myths that just aren't true. I only get an PCP if it is cheaper than leasing, or if it is cheaper than buying. I always do my sums and are not fussed about the financial construct buy/lease/contract purchase whatever...Whichever is the best deal....

 

[border_all]

I'm glad you wanted to clarify as that is not what I said. I merely responded to your comment;


Indeed just your two cents. However as I've demonstrated and quantified it doesn't cost you a mint for minor nicks. In fact the minor nicks are rather generous I would say as highlighted above.

If you don't want PCP then absolutely fine I won't loose any sleep over it, but please don't spread urban myths that just aren't true. I only get an PCP if it is cheaper than leasing, or if it is cheaper than buying. I always do my sums and are not fussed about the financial construct buy/lease/contract purchase whatever...Whichever is the best deal....

Your points are worth what in relation to the ops post zero you appear to enjoy argument for the point of arguing

I offered a cheap method for op and suggested a method of deciding diesel or petrol. Other responders had suggested PCP I pointed out I would not use PCP

What you consider urban myths are still only your opinion I am not in court defending a point on oath maybe you consider yourself more informed or perhaps presently sell promote PCP that's fine by me and I will not continue defending my own position that I will not take a PCP I own my car outright that is the way I shall continue purchasing in the future

 

[dejongj]

Your points are worth what in relation to the ops post zero you appear to enjoy argument for the point of arguing

I offered a cheap method for op and suggested a method of deciding diesel or petrol. Other responders had suggested PCP I pointed out I would not use PCP

What you consider urban myths are still only your opinion I am not in court defending a point on oath maybe you consider yourself more informed or perhaps presently sell promote PCP that's fine by me and I will not continue defending my own position that I will not take a PCP I own my car outright that is the way I shall continue purchasing in the future

Ahem the BVRLA is not just an opinion @border_all, that is a well established body to which the leasing and finance providers signup to.

As I said I'm merely correcting some misinformation that you are broadcasting, where you want a PCP or not that is totally your choice, which false reasons you want to argue to yourself that is also totally your reason. I'm merely bringing some balance in it by saying that it just is not true that a PCP could cost you a mint for minor nicks. That was an unfounded statement.

Naturally each person should do what they are most comfortable with. Me, being the product from Yorkshire/Scotland, I like to spend the least of my hard earned money and will do the sums and until such time not exclude any option.

 

[border_all]

Ahem the BVRLA is not just an opinion @border_all, that is a well established body to which the leasing and finance providers signup to.

As I said I'm merely correcting some misinformation that you are broadcasting, where you want a PCP or not that is totally your choice, which false reasons you want to argue to yourself that is also totally your reason. I'm merely bringing some balance in it by saying that it just is not true that a PCP could cost you a mint for minor nicks. That was an unfounded statement.

Naturally each person should do what they are most comfortable with. Me, being the product from Yorkshire/Scotland, I like to spend the least of my hard earned money and will do the sums and until such time not exclude any option.

The BVRLA is just a view that is in use today are you really saying that no corporations or national bodies ever get it wrong has VW found a way to circumnavigate emissions have MOT standards never had modification is food never demonised then found better than what other people select as an alternative

I fired off here as you seem to have made your absolutely rubbish statement as a definitive evidence I am wrong in holding my view urban myth still suggests you are correct and highly cosmopolitan in your view

I won't continue defending my points here as I feel it's disrespectful of the ops thread, a £100 for a charger is cheap and easy same as a new battery for a camera and may be better than buying a new camera and his wife can have the kitchen if that's their decision

Best of luck OP I have considered the Duster and think it's a good solution should you not feel the need to hurry and is a decent tow car if your caravan is not heavy I would sooner the car than kitchen