Yes, this is correct but for what this device would be used for that is probably preferable.
Anyone getting an iPad?
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Yes, this is correct but for what this device would be used for that is probably preferable.
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Released in Asia and as I said anounced for europe, apparently coming in the next couple of weeks...
Having said that there are another load of slates anounced at a conference last week, including the eee pad or whatever it's called. If it has a couple of GB of ram and a decent HDD it may just overtake the touchpad for me.
Yes the android ones.
Personally i'm not that interested in an integrated music store, book stores are available online (yeah I know Apple hate you using anything other than iTunes) and apps are avaliable for android...
As for walking in to store and getting one today I'm not sure, I haven't been keeping tabs on the Android ones, however I know there are a couple released in the UK already (is the iPad actually available in store yet?)
Still that doesn't negate the claim I made:
Anyway I'm out now, these threads and discussions with you inevitably fail as there are way too many people either side of the fence that like to sling mud at each other... (and i'm not necessarily lifting myself above all that, although i'd like to point out I have no specific bais against the iPad, just don't hold it on a pedestal loke a lot of people in here...)
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And I thought the use of that word annoys you? Yes, I've read THAT thread which is probably an even bigger tu . . . think I'd better stop it here before I'll get banned.
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Released in Asia and as I said anounced for europe, apparently coming in the next couple of weeks...
Having said that there are another load of slates anounced at a conference last week, including the eee pad or whatever it's called. If it has a couple of GB of ram and a decent HDD it may just overtake the touchpad for me.
Yes the android ones.
Personally i'm not that interested in an integrated music store, book stores are available online (yeah I know Apple hate you using anything other than iTunes) and apps are avaliable for android...
As for walking in to store and getting one today I'm not sure, I haven't been keeping tabs on the Android ones, however I know there are a couple released in the UK already (is the iPad actually available in store yet?)
Still that doesn't negate the claim I made:
Anyway I'm out now, these threads and discussions with you inevitably fail as there are way too many people either side of the fence that like to sling mud at each other... (and i'm not necessarily lifting myself above all that, although i'd like to point out I have no specific bais against the iPad, just don't hold it on a pedestal loke a lot of people in here...)
Yes it does
The unique part of the iPad is the integrated music, app and book store. If those other tablets don't have it then it is unique to the iPad, is it not?
Yes you can buy ipads in the store, whether they have run out of stock or not is another question.
I haven't seen an android tablet released yet, can you link me to one where I can buy it today here in the uk do I can look at the price and feature set for comparison
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And I thought the use of that word annoys you? Yes, I've read THAT thread which is probably an even bigger tu . . . think I'd better stop it here before I'll get banned.
Only when it is used by itself like this:
this.
Not when it is part of an actual sentence
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Yes, like Win7 Tablets there seem to have been a load of announcements, yet very few actual launches. I don't know af any that you can actually but now.
However, I can see Android Tablets being successful. For the same reasons the iPad is and Win7 won't be.
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Yes lots of anouncements but until a product is actually brought to market there is nothing to compare the iPad to in it's category. That's why the price is high. When the market becomes more saturated prices will change.
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I went to the shop today, had a little play.
I can see one being added to my family, the wife may well be geting one to replace her macbook that gets used for 'big fish games', Faceache, and emails.
since getting her an iphone the email bit has been done by phone.
So for her it will make sense, for me, I'll probably play with hers then buy one anyway!
(its a business expense really, mobile portfolio guv!)
I can see one being added to my family, the wife may well be geting one to replace her macbook that gets used for 'big fish games', Faceache, and emails.
since getting her an iphone the email bit has been done by phone.
So for her it will make sense, for me, I'll probably play with hers then buy one anyway!
(its a business expense really, mobile portfolio guv!)
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Well I've read this thread with great interest. There will always be Apple fan boys and Apple hates. For me I have owned 2 ipods, until both batteries blew up on me.
I can see a need for an ipad. I've also seen a very good video review from an Apple fan boy but he also pointed out the weaknesses. I can see me using it as a mobile browsing device and especially as a tool to show off my portfolio, and what a nice tool it would be and it would be simple to update.
However, the fact it does not have multi tasking worries me as I feel it is basic and no multi tasking let the iphone down big time imo.
Also, HTML5 is awsome. It really is. However, flash is still there and will be for a good few years. Yes HTML5 will be kicking backside in a few years but it the meantime what are people using....flash. the whole "flash is outdated and the iPad doesn't need it" strikes me as a bizarre fanboy comment that I just don't get. That is just naive.
If I had the cash lying about I would have one and use it a lot, but also be disappointed at the limitations it has in a real life environment.
I can see a need for an ipad. I've also seen a very good video review from an Apple fan boy but he also pointed out the weaknesses. I can see me using it as a mobile browsing device and especially as a tool to show off my portfolio, and what a nice tool it would be and it would be simple to update.
However, the fact it does not have multi tasking worries me as I feel it is basic and no multi tasking let the iphone down big time imo.
Also, HTML5 is awsome. It really is. However, flash is still there and will be for a good few years. Yes HTML5 will be kicking backside in a few years but it the meantime what are people using....flash. the whole "flash is outdated and the iPad doesn't need it" strikes me as a bizarre fanboy comment that I just don't get. That is just naive.
If I had the cash lying about I would have one and use it a lot, but also be disappointed at the limitations it has in a real life environment.
Thing is, (fact number 1) the iPad isn't the first tablet device to be launched, there have been loads in the past. The Compaq TC1000 for example. They have never taken off because they have been clumsy at best.
Fact number 2, two million iPads have been sold already and its only been out a month or so.
I think people who post on forums tend to forget that MOST people aren't like them (i.e geeks) and don't care about open OS and Flash.
I know nothing about Android so can't comment on it.
iPhone OS 4 will address that.
All the stuff about Flash is just Apple stopping people developing cross-platform easily. Yes it's proprietary, but most of the rich media on the internet uses it at the moment. It's annoying not being able to view any of the media on BBC website. It's reasonably likely however, that the beeb will move to HTML5 once it is finalised.
Apple's behaviour ****es me off and the locked down platform approach is infuriating.....but their products are invariably ahead of the curve. I'll ditch my iphone for an android model once my contract is up....but how many years has it taken for the competition to catch up?
Now I need to cook dinner so I'll be propping up the ipad on the worktop and have some tv to keep me company for a change
Apple's behaviour ****es me off and the locked down platform approach is infuriating.....but their products are invariably ahead of the curve. I'll ditch my iphone for an android model once my contract is up....but how many years has it taken for the competition to catch up?
Now I need to cook dinner so I'll be propping up the ipad on the worktop and have some tv to keep me company for a change
I've spent the last half hour reading this thread and I'm still not any further forward. Too much mud slinging going on here though .
I love the idea of the ipad, but feel it would need to be a 64gb model which is quite expensive, as by the time you load up a pile of photo's, movies, games etc. the smaller versions would have no storage left.
BTW I don't own any other Apple products.
I love the idea of the ipad, but feel it would need to be a 64gb model which is quite expensive, as by the time you load up a pile of photo's, movies, games etc. the smaller versions would have no storage left.
BTW I don't own any other Apple products.
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i can see a use for displaying images to a client in a studio environment.
however personally for personal home use, i think i'll stick to a laptop. does oh so much more for about the same price.
i dont think anyone was "blaming" apple for dropping flash.. but i think a lot of people think it pot and kettle when apple called flash closed and proprietory maybe.
however personally for personal home use, i think i'll stick to a laptop. does oh so much more for about the same price.
i dont think anyone was "blaming" apple for dropping flash.. but i think a lot of people think it pot and kettle when apple called flash closed and proprietory maybe.
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That is so true.The problem with the iPad is that all of a sudden I'm reading this nonsense when I should be doing something more productive in bed.
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Android based and the inductive charger looks good BUT first of all too big.... if I want that size of screen I'll use a lappy so I'm hoping Tmobile may look at other sizes too as the Vega does come in other sizes.I too am waiting until some competitors are on the market before I make a final decision.. I'm not anti Apple, but there might be something better round the corner
http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/9-upcoming-tablet-alternatives-to-the-apple-ipad/
Check out #8, the ICD Vega, coming to T-mobile, apparently, but only 2g, which is pretty pointless (it's in the video
EDIT: And it apparently supports Flash, for all those that care
BTW - it will NOT have access to the android market due to its size or screen how ever a custom market will be provided. This sort of puts me off as well unless the device comes rooted ( doubt it ) and with a ROM kitchen ( doubt it even more )...
Again - whats the use.... a browser and some extra bits or a laptop replacement ?
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PS I'll be surprised if it just supports 2G if your looking at this.... to add a module I am sure is easy to do.
PPS I also think this is not just an Apple bashing thread but a true discussion of the form factor, its uses and its implementation..... I hope others agree with me.
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I do agree with you.
I apologise if any of my comments seemed out of place or just a complete dig at Apple, but ccsnet has hit the nail on the head for me.
If it was another company and another OS making the same product I would still be dissapointed with it.
I guess I have expectations of a 21st century device and the ipad doesn't meet them for me but will more than do so for others.
Its like marmite - you either love it or hate it.
I do agree with you.
I apologise if any of my comments seemed out of place or just a complete dig at Apple, but ccsnet has hit the nail on the head for me.
If it was another company and another OS making the same product I would still be dissapointed with it.
I guess I have expectations of a 21st century device and the ipad doesn't meet them for me but will more than do so for others.
Its like marmite - you either love it or hate it.
Whether he actually said it or not is irrelevant but there's a Henry Ford quote that I think sums up Apples philosophy very well...
"If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said faster horses"
Regardless of whether Apple have got it right or wrong with the ipad, maybe your expectations of where technology is going and where it's actually going, are two different things. Just sayin.
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Your probably right!
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Well, I have decided to get one. Just thinking which is best? 3g or not 3g? Will be mainly using it at home on wifi. If I did take it out locally I will struggle to get 3g (Cambridge aside)... so makes little sense I guess, although it would be nice to have the option if I did find myself in a 3g area. £100 seems a lot to pay though, plus data.
Silly question, will it work on slow mobile phone speed in non 3g areas?
Silly question, will it work on slow mobile phone speed in non 3g areas?
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When BBC move their website away from using flash, and other big companies are bound to follow, you can really say the days of flash are starting to look numbered!
As I have said before, it seems funny every slating the IPad as a big ipod touch and then going on about wanting an android tablet.
If ipad tablets are useless, surely android ones will be too?
Apple have changed the game, everyone else is now playing catch up, and a lot of buggy stuff is going to go out as an effort to compete as soon as possible.
What do you need the ipad to do that it can't compared to a netbook? Look at some of the apps that are now available for the Iphone. You can now take payment from customers on it, and Ipad will have a better version of tools like this no doubt. Model release software on there, where the model can sign and you have a digital copy there and then. cpl shots of ID from Iphone, bluetooth over job done, no paperwork.
On the train and fancy browsing a book go ahead. On a 8 hour flight, well watch a movie, read a bit of a book, play a few games, flick through half a dozen magazines, listen to some music. When you arrive and pick up your hire care, use the sat nav app and get to your hotel. When I am there I can use an app to check what happened in F1 qualifying as I missed it due to my flight. All on one device! This has never been done before on a device with such ease of use.
Ease of use is amazing. I don't care that I can't put on what i want and have to use software, App store gives me the choice of what I want or need in an intuitive format. The Ipad will speed up the death of flash as websites of major companies will not risk the millions of Ipad owners going to other sites, as demonstrated by the BBC move, that is fact.
So now you can add IPlayer to the list, and multi tasking for all of you who have to do two things at once such as word and excel.
I have a feeling that the iPad, and the Android/windows versions when they come out will kill off the netbook! and future versions will kill the need for many average people to not need a laptop or desktop either. This kind of thing is the future of computers.
I'll end my rant with a prediction! Visit this thread in 5 years and see how I did!:
42 inch tv on wall, with 5TB HDD, all movies stored and sold are via the net as speeds will go up enough to make blu ray quality quick enough to click dl then play and experience no glitch.
1 HDMI out to connect to sound systems.
2 in for other things such as cameras etc.
Controller will be a touch screen phone sized thing.
Games controller to match.
Amazing next gen gaming again dl to buy
full net and email on it
Any content you need will be accessible over the net.
All in one system
Operating on a user friendly intuative system.
State of the art styling (whatever that may be in 5 years)
The name that will be on that will be Apple.
and somone on some forum somewhere will say the following "Well that's crap, it's just a giant iPad"
BTW Apple my name is Carl, and I hope my cheque for this idea is in the post! Just make it out to cash.
As I have said before, it seems funny every slating the IPad as a big ipod touch and then going on about wanting an android tablet.
If ipad tablets are useless, surely android ones will be too?
Apple have changed the game, everyone else is now playing catch up, and a lot of buggy stuff is going to go out as an effort to compete as soon as possible.
What do you need the ipad to do that it can't compared to a netbook? Look at some of the apps that are now available for the Iphone. You can now take payment from customers on it, and Ipad will have a better version of tools like this no doubt. Model release software on there, where the model can sign and you have a digital copy there and then. cpl shots of ID from Iphone, bluetooth over job done, no paperwork.
On the train and fancy browsing a book go ahead. On a 8 hour flight, well watch a movie, read a bit of a book, play a few games, flick through half a dozen magazines, listen to some music. When you arrive and pick up your hire care, use the sat nav app and get to your hotel. When I am there I can use an app to check what happened in F1 qualifying as I missed it due to my flight. All on one device! This has never been done before on a device with such ease of use.
Ease of use is amazing. I don't care that I can't put on what i want and have to use software, App store gives me the choice of what I want or need in an intuitive format. The Ipad will speed up the death of flash as websites of major companies will not risk the millions of Ipad owners going to other sites, as demonstrated by the BBC move, that is fact.
So now you can add IPlayer to the list, and multi tasking for all of you who have to do two things at once such as word and excel.
I have a feeling that the iPad, and the Android/windows versions when they come out will kill off the netbook! and future versions will kill the need for many average people to not need a laptop or desktop either. This kind of thing is the future of computers.
I'll end my rant with a prediction! Visit this thread in 5 years and see how I did!:
42 inch tv on wall, with 5TB HDD, all movies stored and sold are via the net as speeds will go up enough to make blu ray quality quick enough to click dl then play and experience no glitch.
1 HDMI out to connect to sound systems.
2 in for other things such as cameras etc.
Controller will be a touch screen phone sized thing.
Games controller to match.
Amazing next gen gaming again dl to buy
full net and email on it
Any content you need will be accessible over the net.
All in one system
Operating on a user friendly intuative system.
State of the art styling (whatever that may be in 5 years)
The name that will be on that will be Apple.
and somone on some forum somewhere will say the following "Well that's crap, it's just a giant iPad"
BTW Apple my name is Carl, and I hope my cheque for this idea is in the post! Just make it out to cash.
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Excel spreadsheets for one
I can edit but I cant return them to excel. That's a fairly major flaw as far as I can see. It won't run my business contact software, again you can get an app to simulate it but there are a number of features which don't work properly, at least on the touch anyway, so I'd assume the ipad's the same.
Everything else you mention I can get on a netbook, not nearly as easily, I agree, but it's there.
I'm not against the ipad, I'm just not blinkered into thinking it's the be all and end all :shrug:
Excel spreadsheets for one
It won't run my business contact software, again you can get an app to simulate it but there are a number of features which don't work properly, at least on the touch anyway, so I'd assume the ipad's the same.
Everything else you mention I can get on a netbook, not nearly as easily, I agree, but it's there.
I'm not against the ipad, I'm just not blinkered into thinking it's the be all and end all :shrug:
What on earth makes you think its designed for that?
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Excel spreadsheets for one
It won't run my business contact software, again you can get an app to simulate it but there are a number of features which don't work properly, at least on the touch anyway, so I'd assume the ipad's the same.
Everything else you mention I can get on a netbook, not nearly as easily, I agree, but it's there.
I'm not against the ipad, I'm just not blinkered into thinking it's the be all and end all :shrug:
But it IS the be all and end all. The ipad is the messiah. It is the second coming of christ. Submit to your lord and shepherd!
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While I find it annoying that keynote can not export to ppt and numbers can not export to xls file formats i would like to point out the following:
1) it's version 1.0 of the software, maybe they will add that functionality later
2) xls and ppt are not ISO standards, they are proprietary file formats
3) Apple is a commercial venture, if they saw the value in putting effort in to writing the code to export they would have done.
and most importantly of all
4) i blame Microsoft for not being able to read keynote and numbers and pages files produced by apple software - but again they are a commercial venture not a philanthropic institution so its their prerogative to do this.
To say that not being able to export to excel is a flaw is blinkered. It is a business decision that apple have made. And based on the million units a month they are selling it is quite a smart one. In fact I am even thinking of buying a mac just so i can read files i export out of my ipad
1) it's version 1.0 of the software, maybe they will add that functionality later
2) xls and ppt are not ISO standards, they are proprietary file formats
3) Apple is a commercial venture, if they saw the value in putting effort in to writing the code to export they would have done.
and most importantly of all
4) i blame Microsoft for not being able to read keynote and numbers and pages files produced by apple software - but again they are a commercial venture not a philanthropic institution so its their prerogative to do this.
To say that not being able to export to excel is a flaw is blinkered. It is a business decision that apple have made. And based on the million units a month they are selling it is quite a smart one. In fact I am even thinking of buying a mac just so i can read files i export out of my ipad
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Why not consider just a wifi unit then get a MIFI? Linky
You can get an unlocked one on ebay for circa £70 and then you'll have 3G for when you need it but on anything (Well anything with wifi). You'll also not be tied to a data plan just for the iPAD.
Plenty of data PAYG simms on the bay too with an initial data allowance. Use and bin!
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everyone who keeps banging on about how it's going to replace lap/net books.
As a media and entertainment device it looks fantastic. As a single device I can use for work and play it's got shortcomings.
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You are right, they do keep banging on about that, everyone except Apple.
The iPad is for consuming content, not really for creating it (in anger anyway). I don't get why people always expect these things to do absolutely everything. My 5D2 is fantastic for taking photographs but I can't edit my Access database on it - must be pretty crappy piece of kit then!
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Excel spreadsheets for one
It won't run my business contact software, again you can get an app to simulate it but there are a number of features which don't work properly, at least on the touch anyway, so I'd assume the ipad's the same.
Everything else you mention I can get on a netbook, not nearly as easily, I agree, but it's there.
I'm not against the ipad, I'm just not blinkered into thinking it's the be all and end all :shrug:
You can download Numbers App which is Apples spreadsheet, and then save as a .xls.
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You can import XLS in to Numbers but not export to it. You can oly export in Numbers format or PDF.
It is, Nikons do far more...
Oh dear, I thought this thread was on the verge of getting closed with usual Apple mud slinging... we've got no hope now!! :bang:
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As far as mud slinging goes, I think this thread has done well to avoid it as much as possible, We've had threads get closed a lot quicker. We seem to be behaving a little more like adults in this thread about it. Who'd have thunk it
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Oh, assumed it would be similar to 'proper numbers'. That really is a pain! Assume its the same with the other iWork apps?
The iPad is designed for consuming media a typing the odd email/blog post. If you need to be crunching spreadsheets then you need a different device.
Maybe a netbook would do the job, but personally I found them a failed compromise. By the time you got one with a screen big enough to do any meaningful work on, or view media on, it was the same size as my 13" macbook pro, which does everything better.
I didn't get on with the netbook as an internet device, screen too small, awkward to hold etc. iPad blows netbooks out of the water for that kind of usage. It won't render the netbook redundant, but for a certain type of role it is simply better.
It was nice reading The Times app on the tube this morning, better than that garbage in the metro, and you can hold it with one hand....ace
Maybe a netbook would do the job, but personally I found them a failed compromise. By the time you got one with a screen big enough to do any meaningful work on, or view media on, it was the same size as my 13" macbook pro, which does everything better.
I didn't get on with the netbook as an internet device, screen too small, awkward to hold etc. iPad blows netbooks out of the water for that kind of usage. It won't render the netbook redundant, but for a certain type of role it is simply better.
It was nice reading The Times app on the tube this morning, better than that garbage in the metro, and you can hold it with one hand....ace
I'm with Dod on this one. Much as I think it produces stunning images it falls WAY short in terms of the functionality I would want from a mobile device.
It won't run my database, it won't display my website. (It will be a couple of years before people like me migrate over to HTML5)
So, for me, it's a very expensive paperweight.
A netbook gives me far more fuctionality for business use.
I don't need to watch movies in the toilet!
It won't run my database, it won't display my website. (It will be a couple of years before people like me migrate over to HTML5)
So, for me, it's a very expensive paperweight.
A netbook gives me far more fuctionality for business use.
I don't need to watch movies in the toilet!