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Lots of rumours and speculation but anyone heard anything definate about replacements for the D300s/D700 and maybe even the D90?

Seems Nikon are lagging behind Canon now, and the higher end Nikons are getting a bit long in the tooth by recent replacement cycle standards.....
 
Dave Pickett said:
Lots of rumours and speculation but anyone heard anything definate about replacements for the D300s/D700 and maybe even the D90?

Seems Nikon are lagging behind Canon now, and the higher end Nikons are getting a bit long in the tooth by recent replacement cycle standards.....
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Old does not mean bad though. The D700 is a class leading body and the D300s is not very old at all. The D90 might end up with a replacement soon but what with?....... a D90s with video that most togs don't want and a price hike of £150. We have enough pixels already.
 
I was having a chat with the owner of my local camera shop he told me, that a group of them at a get together with there nikon rep last week. They were told there will be no new nikon fx cameras this year(2010) dx maybe but NO fx.

But are nikon falling behind canon?why change something that does not need changing when you see people moving over from canon at the top end then it does not look like they are lagging behind.
 
There's no need. The D3s and D3x are still ahead of anything else on the market and according to Canon insiders, the D3x always will be - Canon currently have no plans to ever try and better it, concentrating instead in better low-noise and AF performance with existing formats...

D700 may get an 'x' or 's' upgrade next year... maybe not...

Nikon's Pro line-up will probably be static for at least 2 years apart from minor firmware updates.
I reckon that it's lower down the product-range that big changes will occur, as that top-end tech filters down to cheaper cameras...
 
Agree with the above in that my D90 produces stunning images, handles well and has a nice solid build. Think Nikon may well be right that there is no need for immediate improvement, but consider the first time buyer. Canon 550 vs D90, 7D vs D300, On spec for me the Canon wins both contests, I am firmly committed to Nikon, but if I was buying now I think Canon would get my cash.......and I think that will ultimately prompt Nikon into new models.
 
I am not sure if Nikon are falling behind or not- I think it's more their strategy is different- whether it's the right strategy is another matter, only time will tell.

One of the main areas of difference is in video: Canon have placed a lot of emphasis on video and as they also make camcorders have much more experience in this department and seem to be doing a better job than Nikon.

Both companies seemed to have missed the point with video in that the market place is changing and although many want video capability in a DSLR, it is really reuse of lens's with a camcorder that is the key. Panasonic have realised this and I'm sure Canon will follow.
Nikon don't currently make camcorders and it would seem unlikely that they will enter this market so I am not sure where they can go with video.

I think there are some who don't want video but I liken this to those who didn't want digital and were adamant that film was the be all and end all. Times are changing and how the world uses media is changing. Be grateful it's useful- unlike gortex in footwear which is not but due to public perception and ignorance I find it hard to buy a good pair of climbing boots without it;):bang:

If I had a gripe with Nikon I would say they are lacking in innovation a bit of late- maybe more down to their boring product lifecycle. It's also more the little things that get me- FPS in 14 bit RAW compared to Canon- if Canon can maintain speed why can't Nikon?, why do I need a grip to get max speed?

A lot of it is also timing- it has taken Canon some time to develop the 7D during which there were some mundane releases from them.
The D300 was a high point where as the D300s was disappointing to an extent but I would expect the next iteration to be the one that raises the game. If it doesn't then I think it would be fair to say they had fallen behind and their strategy needs a rethink.

A bit more rambling than I had hoped but I'm multi-tasking so hopefully the jist of it makes sense;)
 
I did a horrendous thing the other day and worked out how much it would cost me to move to canon. They're kicking butt with video.

Not a big problem for most people, and I still wouldn't recommend that you get an SLR 'instead of a camcorder', but I shoot a hell of a lot of video as well as stills, and the 7D just sounds great - the footage out of it can be stunning in the right hands, you can overcrank it to 50/60fps for awesome slomo stuff...it just makes the £3500 sony Z1 that I normally shoot with look pants for single camera controlled stuff (so promos, short interviews, ads etc - this isn't a camera for reportage filming, but for stuff where you have control of the scene...just damn.)

Downside is the ergonomics of the device, not great for video, but that'll always be an issue for slr format cameras - canon need to bung a 5d2 inside the body of one of their HDV pro video cameras, with an EF mount, it'd be awesome - but they need to do it before the red scarlet comes out.


Technically, and for stills, nikon do seem to be winning, the complaints that people have with the 1D4 even.... people just don't have with the D3 line. The AF is fantastic, ditto the low light performance, the ergonomics are the best...they just need to sort their video out :(
 
Dave Pickett said:
Seems Nikon are lagging behind Canon now, and the higher end Nikons are getting a bit long in the tooth by recent replacement cycle standards.....
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Explains why my photo's are getting worse with my out of date D300 :D

On the plus side the fact there is no D400 means that I am a bit wealthier, for a while anyway :D

On a serious note Dave do you think that you have reached a point where the equipment is limiting your ability to produce a superb image, if not don't worry about who is lagging behind who :thumbs:

For the record I haven't reached that point.
 
I hope the D90 and D5000 are updated soon....put a 3 inch high resolution LCD in a new D6000, AF motor, Full HD, mic capability and manual exposure, and I'm a poor chicken. Again. ;)
 
On a serious note Dave do you think that you have reached a point where the equipment is limiting your ability to produce a superb image
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Nope not at all, I am the big limiting factor!!! I only generally print up to A4 and the results from a correctly exposed and framed shot from the D90 are just so good I feel no need to even think about the expense of full frame. The D90 continues to impress even after 15 months, it is a fabulously competent camera.

As you say its a plus that we still have current model cameras, and thus feel less inclined to upgrade.

I do wonder whether Nikon feel we have reached a plateau where the IQ is more than adequate for any normal purpose, and extra megapixels will only degrade high ISO performance and create unecesary large files. I also wonder whether ther higher MP sensors are not yet producing good enough IQ to be useful.

Now heres a thought, what about a Fuji S7 pro using exr technlogy? Or maybe Nikon could adopt fuji sensors +EXR in place of the Sonys (I think) they currently use.......
 
Dave Pickett said:
Nope not at all, I am the big limiting factor!!! I only generally print up to A4 and the results from a correctly exposed and framed shot from the D90 are just so good I feel no need to even think about the expense of full frame. The D90 continues to impress even after 15 months, it is a fabulously competent camera.

As you say its a plus that we still have current model cameras, and thus feel less inclined to upgrade.

I do wonder whether Nikon feel we have reached a plateau where the IQ is more than adequate for any normal purpose, and extra megapixels will only degrade high ISO performance and create unecesary large files. I also wonder whether ther higher MP sensors are not yet producing good enough IQ to be useful.

Now heres a thought, what about a Fuji S7 pro using exr technlogy? Or maybe Nikon could adopt fuji sensors +EXR in place of the Sonys (I think) they currently use.......
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what printer do you use?
 
Arkady said:
There's no need. The D3s and D3x are still ahead of anything else on the market and according to Canon insiders, the D3x always will be - Canon currently have no plans to ever try and better it, concentrating instead in better low-noise and AF performance with existing formats...
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I agree about D3s but D3x :thinking:? What exactly is wrong with 1Ds mk3 and 5D mk2 (probably a better choice for landscapes and studio)? All can do an equally good job minus some Nikon placebo effect.
 
I have an Epson P50 and use photobox for quantities of prints. These meet my requirements, I am sure other labs might be better but I dont need anything better than this combination produces.

As long as I manage to avoid too much of a crop there isnt any quality issue.
 
Martyn... said:
Explains why my photo's are getting worse with my out of date D300 :D
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I realise there is a big grin on the end of your comment, but I have seen superb shots from a Nikon D40 and rubbish ones from D300/D700's... :D (substitute equivalent Canon model's as you like ;) ) It's about the photographer, not the camera :thumbs: (says he with a D40!)
 
Martyn... said:
Explains why my photo's are getting worse with my out of date D300 :D

On the plus side the fact there is no D400 means that I am a bit wealthier, for a while anyway :D

On a serious note Dave do you think that you have reached a point where the equipment is limiting your ability to produce a superb image, if not don't worry about who is lagging behind who :thumbs:

For the record I haven't reached that point.
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:D Good point, Martyn.

I wonder if Nikon will take into account the fact that a lot of the devotees of any D300 replacement are likely to come from the 'wildlife/sport' brigade, when they think about a new model :naughty:!?

Whilst a lot of 'landscape/portrait' toggers are now hankering after full-frame cameras, there's an awful lot of more 'outdoors' types who want a robust, weather-sealed, ergonomic camera with great auto-focus and a lot of pixels on the sensor, to continue with the tradition started by the D200 and carried on by the D300.

I for one would really like to see them go with a chunkier, fully weather-sealed version with a big viewfinder and forgo any silly ideas of adding video :razz: (a la, D300S), but I think that I might be disappointed :'(.

Just my $0.02.
 
Interesting thread, I've been holding off from buying the D700 in case something else came out in a month or two only for the price of the D700 to drop, but I may well just bite the bullet now.
 
Munchkinn said:
I realise there is a big grin on the end of your comment, but I have seen superb shots from a Nikon D40 and rubbish ones from D300/D700's... :D (substitute equivalent Canon model's as you like ;) ) It's about the photographer, not the camera :thumbs: (says he with a D40!)
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As you guessed, that was the point I was making, albeit in an ironic way ;)
 
Dman said:
Interesting thread, I've been holding off from buying the D700 in case something else came out in a month or two only for the price of the D700 to drop, but I may well just bite the bullet now.
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Go and get it now. There's no way you'll be dissapointed.
 
itsdavedotnet said:
I did a horrendous thing the other day and worked out how much it would cost me to move to canon. They're kicking butt with video.

Not a big problem for most people, and I still wouldn't recommend that you get an SLR 'instead of a camcorder', but I shoot a hell of a lot of video as well as stills, and the 7D just sounds great - the footage out of it can be stunning in the right hands, you can overcrank it to 50/60fps for awesome slomo stuff...it just makes the £3500 sony Z1 that I normally shoot with look pants for single camera controlled stuff (so promos, short interviews, ads etc - this isn't a camera for reportage filming, but for stuff where you have control of the scene...just damn.)

Downside is the ergonomics of the device, not great for video, but that'll always be an issue for slr format cameras - canon need to bung a 5d2 inside the body of one of their HDV pro video cameras, with an EF mount, it'd be awesome - but they need to do it before the red scarlet comes out.


Technically, and for stills, nikon do seem to be winning, the complaints that people have with the 1D4 even.... people just don't have with the D3 line. The AF is fantastic, ditto the low light performance, the ergonomics are the best...they just need to sort their video out :(
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I think the camera companies were a bit slow in working out how to advance motion picture capture. Good to have a useable movie mode in the DSLR but pulling the lens off the DSLR and sticking it on a camcorder with its better ergonomics and all the other benefits is where its at. RED have done some fantastic innovation- that's what comes when you don't have camcorder sales to protect I guess;)
Not sure what Nikon's excuse is- you can use Nikon glass on the RED so maybe that's their movie strategy- 'we can't get it right as we have no expertise in it and were too slow to enter a partnership but buy their tool and use our lens's':lol:
 
I'd wait a couple of months ;)

Dman said:
Interesting thread, I've been holding off from buying the D700 in case something else came out in a month or two only for the price of the D700 to drop, but I may well just bite the bullet now.
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I would wait aswell, surely theres a d700 upgrade coming soon. (mini d3s)
 
itsdavedotnet said:
Downside is the ergonomics of the device, not great for video, but that'll always be an issue for slr format cameras - canon need to bung a 5d2 inside the body of one of their HDV pro video cameras, with an EF mount, it'd be awesome - but they need to do it before the red scarlet comes out.
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I've been wondering for sometime if Nikon are working on something different. Their were some rumours of a MX format a couple of years ago but they seem to have died down. Perhaps they are developing on a system that would challenge the (coming) Red Scarlet? Using a different body it should be a much 'better' way to record video - something that consumers clearly want - and, being Nikon, could use their legacy lenses.

If I were them that is what I'd be doing..... I'm sure dSLR's are a reaching a (technological) dead end. They need to find 'new' markets. It wouldn't surprise me if they release a 4/3s camera at some point either.
 
alexisonfire said:
I would wait aswell, surely theres a d700 upgrade coming soon. (mini d3s)
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Nikon are probably liking the bigger difference between a D700 and D3s that there is now. Thing is a D700 is a wondrous piece of kit. If I were just buying mine then I would just get it.
 
Voyager said:
Their were some rumours of a MX format a couple of years ago but they seem to have died down.
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It would be a lot of R&D for a small niche and how much better than a D3x would it be?
 
cowasaki said:
It would be a lot of R&D for a small niche and how much better than a D3x would it be?
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I agree, I thought that they were pretty wild claims. I can see why Pentax have created the 645 digital - there are a body of users out there with lenses who may buy into it. But along with Phase One backs for the majority of medium format cameras, to make a new one would seem to be chasing a very small market indeed.

Moving into the 'semi-pro' video market would make much more sense. It's pretty much only software - and you can be sure they have already reverse engineered all the competitors already to see how they work! :D
 
Ive been hanging on for what feels like forever for a replacement to the d700, one that will not necessarily make it any better than the existing.

Im so tempted to bite the bullet.

But then, there could be one out at the month end, not like these camera manufactrers to willingly release details.
 
Personally I would prefer Nikon to concentrate on some of the gaps in the lens lineup. If they could come up with a reasonably priced long prime lens such as a 400 f5.6 then there are a lot of wildlife togs who would probably be interested :shrug:
 
Tractor Boy said:
Personally I would prefer Nikon to concentrate on some of the gaps in the lens lineup. If they could come up with a reasonably priced long prime lens such as a 400 f5.6 then there are a lot of wildlife togs who would probably be interested :shrug:
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300 f4 AF-S + TC14EII = 420mm f5.6 .... I read on a thread some time ago that Nikon engineers considered this combo as better optically than the 400 f5.6, which is why they will not make one.
 
lawrenceots said:
I hope the D90 and D5000 are updated soon....put a 3 inch high resolution LCD in a new D6000, AF motor, Full HD, mic capability and manual exposure, and I'm a poor chicken. Again. ;)
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D5000 in a new model so don't think it will be updated soon! As for the D90, its still selling very well so I'm not sure they have any need to replace it just yet!
 
Interesting to read that some people think Nikon are falling behind - I don't see that being the case at all, on any of the models! The Nikon lineup is excellent. Only the 5dii's video and my existing Canon lenses kept me from buying the D700 when I went full frame.
 
I know people switching from 5Diis over to the D700 because the AF system on the Canon isn't up to scratch. In fact one said the AF on the D700 was better than the 1D4 he bought and then subsequently returned before switching.

Pete
 
JJ! said:
D5000 in a new model so don't think it will be updated soon! As for the D90, its still selling very well so I'm not sure they have any need to replace it just yet!
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Its almost a year old. In a coupe of months, I'd expect an update. D90s fair bit older too, and specification wise, is lagging a little.
 
Dave Pickett said:
Lots of rumours and speculation but anyone heard anything definate about replacements for the D300s/D700 and maybe even the D90? …
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Whattttt you mean they have updated my D80 :eek: well, it still works fine and whilst I’m sure the D90 has some useful additions but I think I’ll stick with what I have

I do wonder what I would be able to take better with a D90 that I can’t take with my D80 but in all seriousness I can’t see the point of having to buy the latest ‘must haves’ I would rather keep my ‘old’ camera for a few more years and spend the money on a different lens than keep looking for a ‘new’ version.:):):)
 
Haven't read all this thread, but I wonder if the D400 (replacement for the D300(s)) will be a DX (crop), or FX (full frame) sensor?

I'd have thought there is still a market for people wanting crop sensors so they're able to still use their DX lenses, and hypothetically get more reach out of normal lenses? Or is full frame the future and eventually everything will go that way?
 
Jim B said:
Haven't read all this thread, but I wonder if the D400 (replacement for the D300(s)) will be a DX (crop), or FX (full frame) sensor?

I'd have thought there is still a market for people wanting crop sensors so they're able to still use their DX lenses, and hypothetically get more reach out of normal lenses? Or is full frame the future and eventually everything will go that way?
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The D300 replacement is unlikely to be full frame as we already have a D300 with full frame, it is called the D700!!
 
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