Any golfers?

[kennysarmy]

I'm running a four man team event soon and wish to reward the best player over the two rounds.

There will be a doubles matchplay round and a singles round.

I've come up with a points system to rewards each player who wins a match.

Can any golfers see any flaws in the method? Have I missed any possible results out?

Doubles matchplay points awarded as follows:

Draw - 1pt
1 Up - 6 pts
2 Up - 8
2&1 - 10
3&1 - 12
3&2 - 14
4&3 - 16
5&4 - 18
etc

Singles

Draw - 3pts
1 Up - 9 pts
2 Up - 12
2&1 - 15
3&1 - 18
3&2 - 21
4&3 - 24
5&4 - 27

 

[PaulButler]

Didn't you do one of these recently? Either way that is probably as good a way as any, should encourage folk to try and win

btw Which course out of curiosity?

 

[kennysarmy]

Didn't you do one of these recently? Either way that is probably as good a way as any, should encourage folk to try and win

btw Which course out of curiosity?

We're off to Castle Combe Manor Course over the early May bank holiday!

£99 for one night accommodation, two rounds, evening 3 course meal and full breakfast.
Course is outstanding too.

Just realized I've missed off 4&2, 5&3 etc

 

[PaulButler]

Just had a quick look (via google ) and it does look rather good. Good value too.

Thinking about how to score this, how about 2 pts for each hole won and 5 pts for the win with say 2 pts a tie and then double up in the singles?

e.g. You win 1 up, but during the round you win 3 holes, lose 2 so you get 6 + 5 pts, the loser gets 4 pts ... you could maybe throw in bonus pts for any unplayed holes so if you win 2&1 and during the round win 3 holes and your opponent wins 1 and 1 hole un-played you get 5pts + 6 ( 3holes @ 2pts) + say 1 pt bonus and your opponent gets 2pts only ...

The bonus (if needed, not sure it is but) ... could increase too something like
1 hole left = 1 pt
2 holes left = 2 pts
all the way to 8 holes left 8pts (god forbid anyone loses 9&8 or 10&8 ...)

 

[kennysarmy]

Just had a quick look (via google ) and it does look rather good. Good value too.

Thinking about how to score this, how about 2 pts for each hole won and 5 pts for the win with say 2 pts a tie and then double up in the singles?

e.g. You win 1 up, but during the round you win 3 holes, lose 2 so you get 6 + 5 pts, the loser gets 4 pts ... you could maybe throw in bonus pts for any unplayed holes so if you win 2&1 and during the round win 3 holes and your opponent wins 1 and 1 hole un-played you get 5pts + 6 ( 3holes @ 2pts) + say 1 pt bonus and your opponent gets 2pts only ...

The bonus (if needed, not sure it is but) ... could increase too something like
1 hole left = 1 pt
2 holes left = 2 pts
all the way to 8 holes left 8pts (god forbid anyone loses 9&8 or 10&8 ...)

That sounds like an interesting variation - I'll have a good think about the merits of your suggestion - cheers.

It would be nice to somehow evaluate how well someone played, rather than just getting a hat full of points for playing someone who is having a 'mare!

Maybe matchplay but somehow based on stableford points.....so the better you play and win the more points you get.

 

[kennysarmy]

That sounds like an interesting variation - I'll have a good think about the merits of your suggestion - cheers.

It would be nice to somehow evaluate how well someone played, rather than just getting a hat full of points for playing someone who is having a 'mare!

Maybe matchplay but somehow based on stableford points.....so the better you play and win the more points you get.

Extra points if you beat someone who scores higher, ie you score 32 points but I score 35, so I should score more overall points than someone who beats someone by three points if they only score say 25

 

[PaulButler]

Yep that could be a variation, or you could just add their stableford points onto their score (it achieves the same end, just avoids an additional step ... I think).

I used to go on week long tours to Scotland and Wales with a group of friends. We ran a daily comp based on stableford points, but each day the lowest scorer got a booby prize (a stuffed monkey actually) which they had to carry with them at all times for the next 24 hours - get caught without it and the person catching you gets a drink! Fun, but made some very nervous We also ran side comps such as the best par 3 and par 5 scores as well as best gross (surprising how the better players rarely won the overall). Scoring got a bit complicated such that I ended up writing a program to speed things up. We've never tried it over two days though, but I can't see how it wouldn't work. In the end the most important thing is to enjoy the day and the course I think.

 

[kennysarmy]

We've got a variation in abilities from 6 to 20 handicap (I'm 10)

I think stableford matchplay could work, three-quarter handicaps, you score what you score and you get a bonus point based on which hole you close the match out on, so you might even be able to lose in the doubles and score more than a poorly playing opponent who beat you.

 

[PaulButler]

We've got a variation in abilities from 6 to 20 handicap (I'm 10)

I think stableford matchplay could work, three-quarter handicaps, you score what you score and you get a bonus point based on which hole you close the match out on, so you might even be able to lose in the doubles and score more than a poorly playing opponent who beat you.

Sounds like a plan to me

Obviously some very decent golfers ( 6 & 10 are very decent).

 

[kennysarmy]

Doubles matchplay and singles matchplay based on 3/4 handicaps stableford scoring with bonus points for the winner(s) depending on which hole the match is closed out on.

Bonus points:
Match finishes on the 18th - 1pt to winning players or if match drawn 1 pt to every player
17 th - 2
16 th - 3
15 th - 4
etc


example.

Doubles:

Player A and B v Player C and D

A scores 27 pts
B scores 36 pts

beat

C scores 32 pts
D scores 24 pts

they win on the 17th hole

After this match players would have the following points towards the MVP trophy:

A 27+2 = 29
B 36+2 = 38
C 32
D 24

They then play the singles

A plays D
B plays C

A scores 27 pts again
and beats
D who scores 26 pts , the match finishing on the 15th hole.

A gets a 5 point bonus, so his singles total is 32 and overall total is (27+5+29) = 61
D has a final total = 50



B scores 32 pts
and loses to
C who scores 34 pts, the match finishing on the 18th hole.

B gets 32 pts and overall 70pts
C gets a single bonus point and an overall total of (34+1+32) = 67

Final results would be:

B - 70
C - 67
A - 61
D - 50

Should B win?
It looks like he single-handly won his doubles match - with his partner cleaning not playing as well.
He may have lost in the singles, but he took the match to the 18th and had the 2nd highest stableford score of the singles matches.

Should C not have won?
Whilst he did beat the overall winner in the singles, he only did so on the last green and with just 2 more points, in the doubles however he was four points lower (36 v 32)


A and D clearly don't deserve to win with lower stableford scores in both the singles and doubles, player A rightly gets a good bonus for finishing his singles match on the 15th, but that should never be enough for him to challenge the top two places.

 

[PaulButler]

Doubles matchplay and singles matchplay based on 3/4 handicaps stableford scoring with bonus points for the winner(s) depending on which hole the match is closed out on.

Bonus points:
Match finishes on the 18th - 1pt to winning players or if match drawn 1 pt to every player
17 th - 2
16 th - 3
15 th - 4
etc

This seems good.

...
Final results would be:

B - 70
C - 67
A - 61
D - 50

...

Should B win?
It looks like he single-handly won his doubles match - with his partner cleaning not playing as well.
He may have lost in the singles, but he took the match to the 18th and had the 2nd highest stableford score of the singles matches.

Whilst C may feel aggrieved he has still played 2 won 1 lost 1 so yes imo B should have won ...

Should C not have won?
Whilst he did beat the overall winner in the singles, he only did so on the last green and with just 2 more points, in the doubles however he was four points lower (36 v 32)

Not really, in any sport (think footy, rugby etc) the top team can get beaten yet still win the league and this is what you have here, albeit a mini league It isn't a knockout trophy.

A and D clearly don't deserve to win with lower stableford scores in both the singles and doubles, player A rightly gets a good bonus for finishing his singles match on the 15th, but that should never be enough for him to challenge the top two places.

Agreed.

 

[Nod]

I reckon matchplay as usual for the main competition but all players play all holes, even if x up with x-1 to play and all hole out (no gimmees!) then normal Stableford scoring to decide final points. In case of a draw, go back to actual scores (after handicaps are taken into consideration) so double+ bogies effectively reduce the score.

Have fun!

 

[Deleted member 49549]

I would add more points to the afternoon event to keep interest going for this players that didn’t do well in the morning. It’s a fun day out, so while this may not be an absolutely 'fair' method, it will keep players interested who didn’t do well in the morning.

Id also look at doing points for nearest to the pin. You could also look at doing one round matchplay and the other skins.