Any Free and accepted gents out there?

cobwebscavern said:
Should there be a thread on here advertising an outside club which promotes secterianism?
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I don't think sectarianism plays any part of freemasonry (well it certainly doesn't down here, it might in Chilly Jocko Land) and in both of the main lodges I was a member of we had Catholics, Jews, Christians and I suspect other religions too. One of the reasons you are asked if you believe in a 'supreme being' rather than God is to get away from any sectarian leaning.
 
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munch said:
I don't now many unemployed people that are "invited" to join the masons.
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And no-one should be invited, rich or poor. The norm is that you ask to join.

But believe me there are many masons out there unemployed, redundant, struggling, just like the rest of society, with shorter hours, shorter contracts and the rest.

And, yes there are charities which help freemasons and their dependents when in distress, just as we provide much charity for those in need who are not freemasons.
 
Dulux said:
No, its basically a couple of drinks a meal, toast the Queen, then a look in side the temple, didn't see anything more. I had a look on the internet afterwards as was interested in the degrees. I can't see me ever going after becoming a member, it just doesn't seem to click for me.
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Its a strange thing, I could never have seen myself joining, my father in law asked me a couple of times but didnt pressure me, after my initial worries I actually enjoyed it, It wasnt easy, there was a lot of learning involved, once I had become a Master Mason it became more enjoyable, especially taking other initiates through the ceremony, its a personal thing, everyone gets different things out of it

Oh and as for Unemployed, for the first time in my life, I find myself Unemployed, Ive served my country for 12 years, been awarded the Gulf Medal, worked overseas for 7 years but for the first time in my 44 years on this planet im unemployed, Im sure once I approach my Mother Lodge about the possibility of coming back they wont care what my employment status us
 
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EdBray said:
I don't think sectarianism plays any part of freemasonry (well it certainly doesn't down here, it might in Chilly Jocko Land) and in both of the main lodges I was a member of we had Catholics, Jews, Christians and I suspect other religions too. One of the reasons you are asked if you believe in a 'supreme being' rather than God is to get away from any sectarian leaning.
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That's a first then...I DJ'ed in loads (25 to 35/40) of lodges.....never once seen anything other than a white protestant in any of them and was subject to the foulest language and hatred in those places...only reason I kept doing it was that their money was as good as anyone else's.
 
Dulux said:
No, its basically a couple of drinks a meal, toast the Queen, then a look in side the temple, didn't see anything more. I had a look on the internet afterwards as was interested in the degrees. I can't see me ever going after becoming a member, it just doesn't seem to click for me.
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I can completely see where you are coming from so fair enough :)

EdBray said:
I don't think sectarianism plays any part of freemasonry (well it certainly doesn't down here, it might in Chilly Jocko Land) and in both of the main lodges I was a member of we had Catholics, Jews, Christians and I suspect other religions too. One of the reasons you are asked if you believe in a 'supreme being' rather than God is to get away from any sectarian leaning.
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+1

In our lodge we have hindu's catholics, christians and even a Buddhist! You need to look past those things, that is hat makes a good person :)
 
Whilst there are currently masons unemployed etc I bet none of them where when they joined, be it by invitation or being asked (which is one in the same to me in any case)
 
cobwebscavern said:
Should there be a thread on here advertising an outside club which promotes secterianism?
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No, actually Ed Bray has already covered this but you can choose between a society where "my religion is the only true religion and yours is therefore contrary to my beliefs" or one which is inclusive and allows its members to practice their own faith.

Oh, and we don't discuss politics either.

So, to sum up, we don't bang on about this political party or that, we have never wanted to run you into the sea or blow your kneecaps off because of your choice of religion, we give generously in the cause of charity, and we practice somewhat old-fashioned values of morality and manners.

If we aren't what your'e looking for that's okay. I'm not sure where you see sectarianism though...
 
cobwebscavern said:
That's a first then...I DJ'ed in loads (25 to 35/40) of lodges.....never once seen anything other than a white protestant in any of them and was subject to the foulest language and hatred in those places...only reason I kept doing it was that their money was as good as anyone else's.
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What part of the world are you in, Oh yes Scotland, by the way Im a good Catholic boy and a proud freemason
 
God said:
I can completely see where you are coming from so fair enough :)



+1

In our lodge we have hindu's catholics, christians and even a Buddhist! You need to look past those things, that is hat makes a good person :)
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Sorry to disagree but you most certainly don't have a true Buddhist....true Buddhists do not believe in a God or Supreme being......see here for further info - http://www.buddhanet.net/ans73.htm
 
AdeM said:
What part of the world are you in, Oh yes Scotland, by the way Im a good Catholic boy and a proud freemason
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The Catholic Church AND Freemasonry?

Are you going for a full house?! :D
 
munch said:
Whilst there are currently masons unemployed etc I bet none of them where when they joined, be it by invitation or being asked (which is one in the same to me in any case)
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And I know you'd be wrong. But what is the point you want to make?

Just to clear up a possible misunderstanding, what I said in an earlier post is that you aren't invited to become a freemason, it's up to you to make the approach and ask about joining.
 
AdeM said:
What part of the world are you in, Oh yes Scotland, by the way Im a good Catholic boy and a proud freemason
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Way to make an assumption.....my time dj'ing was spent in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

Are you a practising catholic? Is your priest aware of this?
 
cobwebscavern said:
Way to make an assumption.....my time dj'ing was spent in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

Are you a practising catholic? Is your priest aware of this?
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Oh let me just check where I was born, Oh yes Northern Ireland

Im definately a practising Catholic, I have 5 kids :-)
 
cobwebscavern said:
Oh BTW....that's a bit offensive to some.
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My apologies to anyone who might find this offensive, but as I am half Jock, I reserve the right to call myself such, and I thnk it is a matter of fact that it is colder up there than it is doon sowf.
 
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My point is that the masons isn't an open club, and money plays a large part of what it is.
Hence my comment about the unemployed.
 
ok then putting aside any questions on religion.

You own a small business and two guy come for a job...both equally qualified, similar experience and so on but one is a mason who has made you aware of the fact.

Who gets the job? :)
 
cobwebscavern said:
ok then putting aside any questions on religion.

You own a small business and two guys comes for a job...both equally qualified, similar experience and so on but one is a mason who has made you aware of the fact.

Who gets the job? :)
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So same scenario, but one is a member of the golf club you belong to, or the rotary club u belong to

You have no arguement here
 
munch said:
My point is that the masons isn't an open club, and money plays a large part of what it is.
Hence my comment about the unemployed.
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As is joining a golf club, there are many of them around that you can't join even if you have money. Augusta, Loch Lomond, Wentworth are just a few, even local ones can prevent undesirables from joining if they decide to.

And if you have no money I doubt there will be many clubs (apart from maybe job clubs) of any description that will be looking for unemployed members without funds to join. :bang:
 
cobwebscavern said:
ok then putting aside any questions on religion.

You own a small business and two guy come for a job...both equally qualified, similar experience and so on but one is a mason who has made you aware of the fact.

Who gets the job? :)
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Honestly? Out of that I would say the non mason, any mason that tries to use it as a bonus is in it for the wrong reasons.
 
God said:
Honestly? Out of that I would say the non mason, any mason that tries to use it as a bonus is in it for the wrong reasons.
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I have to agree here, I heard lots of rubbish touted about this very subject years ago, whilst I was an active Freemason, it never benefited me in any way as far as work was concerned, but I can see where people would have this misconception, If I was a member of any club and I wanted a job doing in my house, If I knew someone in my photography club for instance was a builder, I would be more inclined to give him the work as opposed to someone who I had never met, its that simple
 
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It's a bit like Fight Club.

The first rule of...

Oh, dammit. :bonk:
 
LOL!!
 
very interesting read...........

firstly, I am not one

secondly, I doubt they would have me, given my Darwinist views on evolution as opposed to creation, and I am not a huge fan of "liz and the hanger's on"

But for those of you who are.(and let's pretend I did believe)... are you seriously suggesting that :

I could rock up at the Norwich Masonic Lodge and ask for an application form?
 
AdeM said:
I would be more inclined to give him the work as opposed to someone who I had never met, its that simple
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As would anyone, Masons or not. Its a great point.
 
Lynton said:
very interesting read...........

firstly, I am not one

secondly, I doubt they would have me, given my Darwinist views on evolution as opposed to creation, and I am not a huge fan of "liz and the hanger's on"

But for those of you who are.(and let's pretend I did believe)... are you seriously suggesting that :

I could rock up at the Norwich Masonic Lodge and ask for an application form?
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Only if you have a pen :)
 
Lynton said:
very interesting read...........

firstly, I am not one

secondly, I doubt they would have me, given my Darwinist views on evolution as opposed to creation, and I am not a huge fan of "liz and the hanger's on"

But for those of you who are.(and let's pretend I did believe)... are you seriously suggesting that :

I could rock up at the Norwich Masonic Lodge and ask for an application form?
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I believe in Darwinian theory, though also believe in God. Could go into it forever but at the end of the day Freemasons dont judge you on how you think the world came about, just whether you believe in a higher being, simple as.

And to your last point, pretty much, yes. Its not an application form, but you can call them, express your interest and go from there - it is exactly what I done in London, as I didnt know any freemasons beforehand to introduce me, so I simply rocked up at one of the lodges and asked.
 
fair enough analogy about the golf club etc. However would you get kicked out of said golf club for NOT employing that guy? Which did happen to a former mason I was friends with a few years back.
 
God said:
And to your last point, pretty much, yes. Its not an application form, but you can call them, express your interest and go from there - it is exactly what I done in London, as I didnt know any freemasons beforehand to introduce me, so I simply rocked up at one of the lodges and asked.
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Fair play to you Vaughan, that took a lot of balls, (Black Balls :) ) sorry couldnt resist, might catch up with you at a meeting sometime soon, I will be the one with a Nikon round my neck at the Festive Board
 
cobwebscavern said:
fair enough analogy about the golf club etc. However would you get kicked out of said golf club for NOT employing that guy? Which did happen to a former mason I was friends with a few years back.
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I would have to say thats unusual and definatley not the norm, although in all warks of life im sure it happens, it shouldnt but im sure it does
 
But golf clubs etc don't claim to be it doing good for humanity, that is the difference.
 
fair enough...........

just wondering......

I must admit I thought it was all "secret squirrel" nods and winks kind of stuff............quite enlightening............

Pretty sure it's not my cup of tea, but each to their own....... and as long as no one is being hurt, I have no probs whatsoever as to what groups of adults want to get up to... (yes, I know that sounds wrong :lol: )


Would be interested to know (learn) what happens at a typical lodge meeting though..... as in or the link above... with the WM at one end and all the "minions" seated around in various positions according to x y or z..........
 
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