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At a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin - 7 killed dozens injured.

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Oh great here we go again
 
If you create a mass hysteria about brown skinned people all being terrorists in a country where any fool can buy guns this will always happen.
 
In perspective, a suicide bomber killed forty five people in Yemen yesterday, why is it only crazy Americans who get our attention?
 
Steep said:
In perspective, a suicide bomber killed forty five people in Yemen yesterday, why is it only crazy Americans who get our attention?
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Exactly, these things happen every day of the year somewhere. There are probably similar things happening in African or South American countries that dont get reported.
 
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In perspective, a suicide bomber killed forty five people in Yemen yesterday, why is it only crazy Americans who get our attention?
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I guess it's because the American situation is more 'abnormal', whereas suicide bombers in that part of the world have become an unfathomable fact of life.
On the one hand a crazy American is just that, whereas a suicide bomber is generally one of a large group of like-minded misguided people.
 
Seems odd to attack the Sikhs, a complete misunderstanding of their faith to a legacy of 9/11 being mentioned in the press. Who knows what goes through a persons head when they are committing these acts.
 
Laudrup said:
Seems odd to attack the Sikhs, a complete misunderstanding of their faith to a legacy of 9/11 being mentioned in the press. Who knows what goes through a persons head when they are committing these acts.
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Like the paediatrician who was attacked because someone thought it meant paedophile :cuckoo:
 
If people knew what happened in Mexico every single day of the week in most cities they would be horrified, over 90 people butchered in the first half of last month alone in my ex's city.
The youngest was a 6 yr old girl, executed along with her grandmother, her 12 year old sister survived, the reason? cos her mother is a police officer who wouldn't take the cartels bribes, so they execute the whole family.

It kind of puts into perspective a lone nutter going on the rampage..
 
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iancandler said:
If people knew what happened in Mexico every single day of the week in most cities they would be horrified, over 90 people butchered in the first half of last month alone in my ex's city.
The youngest was a 6 yr old girl, executed along with her grandmother, her 12 year old sister survived, the reason? cos her mother is a police officer who wouldn't take the cartels bribes, so they execute the whole family.

It kind of puts into perspective a lone nutter going on the rampage..
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Again though a common cause ... drugs/gangs.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Thats not really the cause, its an effect of the cause. The cause is poverty.

Banks again in it. :D
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Sorry you can't blame everything on poverty!
When I was young we were in real poverty after my dad died ... it didn't make us arsonists, thieves and murderers, it made us get off our backsides and make a life ... in most cases poverty is an excuse for wrongdoing not a reason for it.
 
gramps said:
Sorry you can't blame everything on poverty!
When I was young we were in real poverty after my dad died ... it didn't make us arsonists, thieves and murderers, it made us get off our backsides and make a life ... in most cases poverty is an excuse for wrongdoing not a reason for it.
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The need for money surely, is the bigger reason for wrongdoing?

Poverty has a huge role to play in creating an environment that causes humans to do what they can to survive in a world fast outpacing their dreams right ....just because you where lucky enough to have a moral code and plan of action does not mean we all do. Many in mexico, I imagine, have far less choice than you or I did, and the respect for authority far more dissolved than the image of respect we where lucky enough to have to drive us on down a good road.

The actions of a mugger for example, are very similar, to the actions of a LIBO rate manipulator, both are committing horrendous crime, and both are directly or indirectly hurting and harming people ...This corruption of the capitalist system by such manipulators is one of the reasons we still have poverty, and correspondingly a lack of respect for those in authority who caused it all in the first place!! ..ok im ranting again, forget this bit ;)... :thumbs:
 
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gramps said:
Sorry you can't blame everything on poverty!
When I was young we were in real poverty after my dad died ... it didn't make us arsonists, thieves and murderers, it made us get off our backsides and make a life ... in most cases poverty is an excuse for wrongdoing not a reason for it.
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Come on Gramps, make a life out of frigging what :shrug: Been to Mexico, try standing on top of the Severn Bridge and imagine that whichever direction you look in all you can see is a slum area.There is poverty and there is poverty.
 
u8myufo said:
Come on Gramps, make a life out of frigging what :shrug: Been to Mexico, try standing on top of the Severn Bridge and imagine that whichever direction you look in all you can see is a slum area.There is poverty and there is poverty.
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It isn't the slums that are killing Mexicans Rich it's guns and knives of the drugs gangs ... nobody has to do that.
Following your argument there wouldn't be any slums ... they would all have killed themselves!
 
symmetricalOCD said:
only one solution...ban guns!

America are the dumbest country in the world right now
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You cannot be serious...
How would that help?

Handguns are (virtually) banned in this country but that doesn't stop criminals from getting them.

Applying your simplistic logic, the police officer who shot the gunman (and who doubt saved several lives by doing so) wouldn't have had a gun either, because it's not much of a stretch to believe that the American police would be unarmed if the criminals were also told to be unarmed...
 
On the subject of drugs one thing that does not help is celebrities who glamorise drug taking they think its harmless taking cocaine but the corruption and violence is ruining Columbia and I think I'm correct in thinking that its heroin that's doing the same to Mexico
 
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I don't think it was.
 
Forbiddenbiker said:
Thats not really the cause, its an effect of the cause. The cause is poverty.

Banks again in it. :D
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Not at all, though they might look like slums to us they are normal living standards to those that live there and inside most are pristine.
The problem is one of greed, not need and in mexico's case endemic corruption that goes right to the very top.
Again though its easy for us to judge as we aren't the ones facing the choice between a bullet or often much worse (the mexican siccario's do get a bit chainsaw happy) for you and your whole family or take the money.
Drug consumption world wide is the driving force that allows the cartels to make billions of dollars each year.
After seeing what happens there and knowing that drugs in both the USA and Europe are passing through the cartels hands, I tend to think of it as each gram of coke someone buys has cost at least 3 lives en route.

And please no talk of legalise it, seriously the cartels would still control it, they wont let go, the only way is to start killing the members and dont stop until they and anyone who would fill their shoes is dead.

symmetricalOCD said:
only one solution...ban guns!

America are the dumbest country in the world right now
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Yeah that really worked for Mexico didn't it! and us for that matter.
(Yes mexico has a complete gun ban) in both cases the only people who have the guns are the bad guys, the good guys cant even have them for their own self defence.
 
gramps said:
I don't think it was.
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Hi Gramps,

what was widely reported as something akin to a howling, vigilante mob attack, was actually a couple of kids and some paint....

This gives a little more info
 
iancandler said:
And please no talk of legalise it, seriously the cartels would still control it, they wont let go, the only way is to start killing the members and dont stop until they and anyone who would fill their shoes is dead.
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Afternoon Ian,

If it would be legalised / decriminalised in the UK / USA, where would the money come form for the mexican cartels? The drugs wouldn't need to pass through mexico at all....
 
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iancandler said:
Not at all, though they might look like slums to us they are normal living standards to those that live there and inside most are pristine.
The problem is one of greed, not need and in mexico's case endemic corruption that goes right to the very top.
Again though its easy for us to judge as we aren't the ones facing the choice between a bullet or often much worse (the mexican siccario's do get a bit chainsaw happy) for you and your whole family or take the money.
Drug consumption world wide is the driving force that allows the cartels to make billions of dollars each year.
After seeing what happens there and knowing that drugs in both the USA and Europe are passing through the cartels hands, I tend to think of it as each gram of coke someone buys has cost at least 3 lives en route.

And please no talk of legalise it, seriously the cartels would still control it, they wont let go, the only way is to start killing the members and dont stop until they and anyone who would fill their shoes is dead.

Yeah that really worked for Mexico didn't it! and us for that matter.
(Yes mexico has a complete gun ban) in both cases the only people who have the guns are the bad guys, the good guys cant even have them for their own self defence.
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I was half interested in what you were saying until you said the only solution was to kill them all. There'd be new faces taking up the reigns in a heartbeat of others dying. I can't believe you can even consider that to be an effective solution.
 
Rapscallion said:
Hi Gramps,

what was widely reported as something akin to a howling, vigilante mob attack, was actually a couple of kids and some paint....

This gives a little more info
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Like I said a paediatrician attacked because someone thought it meant paedophile :)
 
gramps said:
It isn't the slums that are killing Mexicans Rich it's guns and knives of the drugs gangs ... nobody has to do that.
Following your argument there wouldn't be any slums ... they would all have killed themselves!
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I would have to argue that if there wasn't a demand for drugs and prostitutes in America there wouldn't be the cartels of the same power as there is now in Mexico and Colombia etc. However there situation is very different to the guy in the OP who appears to just be an ex-serviceman who has lost all sense of reality from some sort of mental issue/depression
 
Rapscallion said:
Afternoon Ian,

If it would be legalised / decriminalised in the UK / USA, where would the money come form for the mexican cartels? The drugs wouldn't need to pass through mexico at all....
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It would still probably pass through the same channels/countries just in a legal supply route as there are only certain countries in the world producing cocaine, opium etc. Like Ian said, these people are making billions each year, legalising it will not solve the problem :thumbs:
 
Rapscallion said:
Nope, nobody was attacked.....
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Definition of 'attack' ...

1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against: to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly: He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, especially with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.
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and off they go again - workplace conflict resolution US style :bang:

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I just noticed this thread, which was reactivated by the shootings in NY this morning.

The latest crime statistics for South Africa - 2010/2011 - reveal that there were 15,940 reported murders and 11,974 cases of culpable homicide (manslaughter) during that period. It works out at around 44 and 32 cases/day respectively, and it's a safe assumption that there were many unreported cases too.

One of my relatives, her husband, two friends and the father of another friend were murdered when we lived in SA; and so were a number of other people I knew, but not so well. We didn't get too stressed out about it, and it had nothing to do with my decision to return to the UK. I'd go back to SA tomorrow if I could, and may well do so one of these days. I suppose you become inured or blasé to this sort of thing.
 
Had some friends visit SA a couple of years ago, they were held at gunpoint in the house they were staying at and were very fortunate to escape with their lives - they return there and that baffles me.
 
Having worked in the firearms trade, I really don't get the hysteria when there is a shooting, if the person didn't have a gun, they would use something else, a knife, a car, a motorbike, baseball bat. Don't get me wrong I have every sympathy with the people caught up in these situations, but banning guns will not solve anything.
 
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