Another unethical competition

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Derbyshire Wildlife Trust are currently holding a photographic competition for images for their 2012 calendar.

The rules include the following: The Trust reserves the right to keep all photographs for use in the 2012 calendar and other publications.

Yet another example of an organisation trying to get future publicity material on the cheap (excuse the pun).

I have contacted them to point out how unethical this is and await their response.
 
There will be plenty of amateur entrants taking photos that do not consider this unethical and will just be glad of a chance to have their shot published.

If you do, don't enter.

The organiser sets the rules not you or me.
 
You did this with the RSPB one as well. They are a CHARITY who depend on donations to do their work.
I really don't have a problem with this and you are coming across as quite selfish and slightly obsessed now with your continued postings in this vein.

By the way, i've been inspired by your post to send them some photos to use as they see fit without even entering the competition :thumbs:


Somelier said:
Derbyshire Wildlife Trust are currently holding a photographic competition for images for their 2012 calendar.

The rules include the following: The Trust reserves the right to keep all photographs for use in the 2012 calendar and other publications.

Yet another example of an organisation trying to get future publicity material on the cheap (excuse the pun).

I have contacted them to point out how unethical this is and await their response.
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I don't see that letting them use the images as a problem, you know the rules upon entering the competition, simple really if you don't like the rules don't enter. i don't see what's to gain over telling them you think its unethical, comes across as pretentious to me. As has been said they are a charity, I think we have all at some point taken shots and donated them to charity, I know I have especially for cancer research.
 
To be honest it's not like they're hiding the fact, and it's clearly there for all to read and make their minds up themselves. If I had the time, or means I'd probably have a go. It's not like you know for a fact that you'll lose out on £1000's for donating a photo. That being said, if you were good enough to have a photo that would result in a large financial loss I imagine you'd already be making that with your other work.

It's a bit of a non issue for me, and only would be an issue if they were trying to hide the fact they want the rights from you. At the end of the day everyone reads what their rights are before submitting an image, surely?
 
I think there is a difference in charities taking photos as a donation and multi billion pound backed organisations like Bing doing the same... Their Yourbritain competition takes the rights off every single entrant which is unnecessary as they could easily afford to pay for the better quality images.
 
There is an organisation called Photographer's Rights which has a list of ethical and unethical competitions. There is a link to the list of comps to avoid, in alphabetical order (the site's list is unordered and therefore it's hard to find anything) on my Blog - at the top of the intro page.
 
I think as long as it is obvious what rights you're signing away it's not so bad. It's when they bury it in the tiny small print on page 20 I'd call it unethical.
 
Nothing in the least unethical. The terms and conditions are clearly stated, so don't enter if you have a problem with them.
 
Terms and conditions

This competition is not open to employees of Derbyshire Wildlife Trust or their families.
Photographs must not have been previously published elsewhere, including in Derbyshire Wildlife Trust publications.

The competition is open to amateur photographers only.

The Trust reserves the right to keep all photographs for use in the 2012 calendar and other publications.
Please include your name, address, contact telephone and details of where and when the image was taken on your entry. Entries without this information will be invalid.
 
I would be pleased if they thought one of my pics was worthy of inclusion in their calendar.
Seems to be a growing trend on here for people to want paying for everything, just my hobby and couldn't care less about making a few quid

Now if I were a pro that would be a different matter
 
I really cant see how it is unethical - they are only taking non exclusive use , and that seems fair recompense for the work involved in running the competition , and they are a charity.

I cant see any reason to get bent out of shape about it (especially as i frequently provide cds of photos for non exclusive use to charities FoC anyway) - if you dont like the rules dont enter - but its not like they arent being up front about it so you can make an informed decision
 
Well this is getting boring, first the RSPB and now the Derbyshire Wildlife Trust. I don't think its unethical in the slightest but I do think you are a hypocrite. No doubt you are more then content to make use of the facilities, environment and hides but don't want to part with an image that they can use to provide an additional revenue and promote interest preferring to either let it languish on your hard drive or be a very small seldom clicked icon on your website.

I'm more then happy to either pay my membership to the RSPB and would happily give them an image. Lets face it with the sheer number of pro and amateur photographers it's virtually impossible to get a totally unique never seen again shot.

Karma dude, what goes around and all that.
 
That's the problem with charities isn't it - always wanting stuff for nothing! (tongue firmly in cheek).

Seriously though, I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for Somelier who may not have appreciated when posting that the organisation isn't something like a local authority. I think the general consensus on this is pretty settled and few would disagree.

Alistair
 
But as a charity they want to use as much of their income to support Derbyshire wildlife so look at it as a donation to a charity.

As has been said above if you don't want them to use your photo elsewhere don't enter.

I've got 100s of images in the Woodland Trust Photo library which they are free to use in any of their publications etc. and all I get is a credit. I allow them free use of the images because it is a charity I passionately believe in and this is a way of donating that I enjoy and can save the trust a lot of money.
 
As someone from Derbyshire I wholeheartedly support this. 20 Years ago the damage caused by "visitors" was noticable, right now it's a battle.
 
Why is it unethical Richard? You have a choice at the very beginning, you either submit a picture or you do not. If you send them a picture you know the rules and cannot complain, if you do not send them a picture then you have nothing to worry about. Imo it seems to me that those who keep whinging on about it think they might have a picture worth making them a lot of money if used for publication etc. Ok lets assume that to be true, so why then would you enter said photo into a competition where the prize is " The chance to have your photographs published in the calendar, and win prizes including a signed copy of Roly Smith’s book, Ramblers Guide to the Peak District (Collins) and outdoor gear from Terra Nova."

 :thinking: I can not figure out why people are not going down the professional route of earning money from their hobby instead :shrug:
 
I'm afraid i'm not. He's posted one of these before when it's from a charity/good cause and had it explained to him how people feel in no uncertain words.
I wouldn't be surprised if he does it yet again at the next charity competition either. :gag:

AlistairW said:
Seriously though, I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for Somelier who may not have appreciated when posting that the organisation isn't something like a local authority. I think the general consensus on this is pretty settled and few would disagree.

Alistair
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The committee for the Artists Bill of Rights has confirmed with myself that it is acceptable to use images for a calendar AND a book in order to finance the running of a competition.

This competition as far as I can see is not pursuing a Rights Grab and appears to be ethical. Anyone can ask the Artists Bill of Rights to look into their terms for compliance, the competition will then become listed as a fair competition and may be listed as a supporter of the campaign.
 
ding76uk said:
This gets me a bit, it screams "we are only doing this to refresh our picture stocks".
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It doesnt say that to me - the Artists Bill of Rights are encouraging this to be included in Terms and Conditions. Published images may already be subject to license and could cause problems with licence holders if republished.

Additionally it could be considered an unfair advantage if an entry which won in a previous year were to win again.
 
you read the conditions of entry-either enter or don't.Personally,I don't see aproblem
 
and lets be honest- do you think you'd win this comp if you entered :shrug::shrug: If the answer is a resounding YES, then you should be selling images & not entering local competitions, for prizes that amount to a few quid :gag:

Les ;)
 
Ive just had one from my holiday company from last year, first prize, free holiday, anything else they use £50 off, fine by me, and if I dont like it, I wont enter??

I cant see the issue myself. I would happily give any of the organisations, ie Zoos, RSPB sites, local nature reserves, any of my images, I am lucky enough to be able to use their facilities, why would I begrudge them a photo?
 
oh yes and as a complete amateur, I would just be happy that someone wanted to use one!
 
Personally, I'd be chuffed to bits if they used one of my photos.
I'd be a bit miffed if a company like Ikea nicked an image from my Flikr and sold it as a big poster making thousands of profit, but, a charity, stating the rules!! c'mon............
 
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