Another 'should I switch to Fuji' thread

BacktotheFuji said:
If the X-Trans is an issue for landscapers (not something I've noticed, but I'm not a pixel peeper / print at massive sizes), Fujirumors are running a story about Fuji developing a bayer X-T100 body, which could make things interesting.
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definitely on my wish list
 
Isn't there already bayer sensor Fuji cameras? the lower end models like the X-A series
 
yamahatdm900 said:
If it's any help I can send you some raw files for you to have a play with.
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Thanks for the offer, but I don't think I'll be making the switch. I would be compromising on focal length range and sharpness (losing the Sigma) and I don't think it's a wise move - too 'sideways'. The weight saving isn't important enough to me to justify it I think. I may grab a wee X100 just for a nice walkaround, tactile camera instead.
 
Northaway said:
Thanks for the offer, but I don't think I'll be making the switch. I would be compromising on focal length range and sharpness (losing the Sigma) and I don't think it's a wise move - too 'sideways'. The weight saving isn't important enough to me to justify it I think. I may grab a wee X100 just for a nice walkaround, tactile camera instead.
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Good choice, and still in the Fuji X family so you can get some idea what they're about.
 
TBH, lovely though the X100 series are, I'd go for one of their CSC bodies and a pancake lens to get a neat, compact package with room to expand the kit should you so decide.
 
Nod said:
TBH, lovely though the X100 series are, I'd go for one of their CSC bodies and a pancake lens to get a neat, compact package with room to expand the kit should you so decide.
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Or a Pro1 and 27mm?
 
Yup, the X-Pro 1 being a CSC body and the 27mm f/2.8 being the Fuji XF pancake lens! The X100's lens is a little wider and a stop faster but although it does the trick very well, it's the only trick it does. Yes, you can fit the converter lenses to go wider or longer but they're relatively slow to fit/remove and they're not cheap!
 
Nod said:
Yup, the X-Pro 1 being a CSC body and the 27mm f/2.8 being the Fuji XF pancake lens! The X100's lens is a little wider and a stop faster but although it does the trick very well, it's the only trick it does. Yes, you can fit the converter lenses to go wider or longer but they're relatively slow to fit/remove and they're not cheap!
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to the XE range, which is quite a small, light option also. :)
 
Nod said:
TBH, lovely though the X100 series are, I'd go for one of their CSC bodies and a pancake lens to get a neat, compact package with room to expand the kit should you so decide.
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Even though I'm an avid Fuji shooter, I would disagree with this.

There is something 'just right' about all the Fuji X100 series, the handling just seems better, the 23mm lens is just a better focal length for all round shooting, I know its only 4mm different from the 27mm (35mm FF v 40mm) but in reality its a big difference especially when you start to shoot wider view landscapes. And then you have the near silent leaf shutter, which means that you can use the camera very covertly, and the built in ND filter, more flash sync options, etc, etc.

I tried an X-E2+27mm and really wanted to like it (and reap the funds from selling by X100), but it just isn't an X100.

If I had to sell my Fuji kit, the last things I'd sell are the X100F and the WCL, all the interchangable lens stuff can go first!!!

S/H the WCL + TCL are quite cost effective, but I agree that new they are quite pricey. I disagree about slow to fit/remove (as well), If you don't have the outer ring on the camera, they are very fast to fit, and of course you are not opening the sensor to dust and debris as well.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Even though I'm an avid Fuji shooter, I would disagree with this.

There is something 'just right' about all the Fuji X100 series, the handling just seems better, the 23mm lens is just a better focal length for all round shooting, I know its only 4mm different from the 27mm (35mm FF v 40mm) but in reality its a big difference especially when you start to shoot wider view landscapes. And then you have the near silent leaf shutter, which means that you can use the camera very covertly, and the built in ND filter, more flash sync options, etc, etc.

I tried an X-E2+27mm and really wanted to like it (and reap the funds from selling by X100), but it just isn't an X100.

If I had to sell my Fuji kit, the last things I'd sell are the X100F and the WCL, all the interchangable lens stuff can go first!!!

S/H the WCL + TCL are quite cost effective, but I agree that new they are quite pricey. I disagree about slow to fit/remove (as well), If you don't have the outer ring on the camera, they are very fast to fit, and of course you are not opening the sensor to dust and debris as well.
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My feelings also. In fact, the only camera I'm taking to HK and Oz next month will be the X100F and WCL.
 
I'd have to agree with Nod here, I had the X100s and though it was fun to use, it was left to the side outside of bringing to the parties. I was shooting the D800E at the time mainly, so it wasn't like I had another neat and tidy option. I just saw the X100s as my compact at the time, for casual shooting. I'd much prefer an interchangeable, I don't like to be restricted. Even if it only means having 2 primes, to me, that's a huge bonus. I also had an rx100 and experienced the same. They both ended up being used by my partner a lot more than me.

I would opt for one of the smaller Fuji bodies and the 27mm as mentioned, and add another prime or three over time. It would still be tidy enough to stick it all into one very small, light bag.

It's down to personal preference though
 
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I often need a bit of OIS for my less than steady mitts so these cameras are a non runner for me.

Hoping as rumoured the next XT model has IBIS, if it carries over to the X100 range that would put a new slant on things for me
 
I do like OIS/IBIS too, I have been peeking at cheap and cheerful M43 options, as a side package sometime maybe. I don't think those smaller sensors can match Fuji in terms of end output, especially as I like clean higher ISO results. But the MFT system does have it's perks. IBIS being one, and much better video features, fully articulating screens and a pretty darn good lens selection out there. I wouldn't completely switch, as seems to be the trend now - I mean I did it myself from Nikon to Fuji .... but I see nothing wrong in running two systems. If you keep it well managed .... could lead to dual level GAS though :confused::D
 
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I did have the X100S a while back, and whilst it was OK, I didn't gel with it. The 100F, however, feels like a whole new camera, much more than the sum of its parts. I also had the RX100 Mk3, but it was just too fiddly.

But I do appreciate the sentiment about image stabilisation. If the 100F had that it would be the cats nibbles.
 
Cagey75 said:
I'd have to agree with Nod here, I had the X100s and though it was fun to use, it was left to the side outside of bringing to the parties. I was shooting the D800E at the time mainly, so it wasn't like I had another neat and tidy option. I just saw the X100s as my compact at the time, for casual shooting. I'd much prefer an interchangeable, I don't like to be restricted. Even if it only means having 2 primes, to me, that's a huge bonus. I also had an rx100 and experienced the same. They both ended up being used by my partner a lot more than me.

I would opt for one of the smaller Fuji bodies and the 27mm as mentioned, and add another prime or three over time. It would still be tidy enough to stick it all into one very small, light bag.

It's down to personal preference though
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-An X10-0 +WCL is effectively two primes!!! Are you missing the point of the WCL and TCL? these two conversion lenses give you 19mm and 35mm in addition to the X100's 23mm - That's effectively 3 primes, added to the fact that the 'F' can create interpolated digital JPG's - which are pretty good), you get additional focal lengths, eg

23(35) can also shoot at 35(50) and 50(70) same can apply if you have WCL or TCL attached, giving you multiple focal length opportunities.

tijuana taxi said:
I often need a bit of OIS for my less than steady mitts so these cameras are a non runner for me.

Hoping as rumoured the next XT model has IBIS, if it carries over to the X100 range that would put a new slant on things for me
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Rich the 'F' is so good at higher ISO that you can set a decent shutter speed in AUTO ISO, one of my AUTO ISO modes is min 1/200 up to ISO6400, gets around lack of OIS.
 
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Cagey75 said:
I do like OIS/IBIS too, I have been peeking at cheap and cheerful M43 options, as a side package sometime maybe. I don't think those smaller sensors can match Fuji in terms of end output, especially as I like clean higher ISO results. But the MFT system does have it's perks. IBIS being one, and much better video features, fully articulating screens and a pretty darn good lens selection out there. I wouldn't completely switch, as seems to be the trend now - I mean I did it myself from Nikon to Fuji .... but I see nothing wrong in running two systems. If you keep it well managed .... could lead to dual level GAS though :confused::D
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Keith, with all due respect, for someone who 'moans' about not being able to afford camera gear (and that I can totally understand), running two interchangable lens systems does not look like a good step forward. I had the latest OMD EM1 MkII for two weeks courtesy of Olympus, and yes the IBIS is superb, but its only superb on static targets, anything that moves, and you have to emply a higher shutter speed. The low light performance was not a shadow (every pun included!!) of the X-Trans3 cameras.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Rich the 'F' is so good at higher ISO that you can set a decent shutter speed in AUTO ISO, one of my AUTO ISO modes is min 1/200 up to ISO6400, gets around lack of OIS.
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That is good David, but I like to have the option of a lower ISO if required, the main reason I rarely use primes without a tripod.
For that reason I did briefly look at Sony FF, just couldn't get a comfortable hold on the one or two I tried. Also felt bigger and heavier although I know some people disagree, lenses are rather pricey too.

No, I am sticking with Fuji interchangeable cameras, no real complaints, but bit miffed about the X-E3 having functions solely operated via a touchscreen.
My fingers do not operate those things, have to use a stylus for a decent contact, embarrassing asking a stranger to help use the railway station ticket machine.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Keith, with all due respect, for someone who 'moans' about not being able to afford camera gear (and that I can totally understand), running two interchangable lens systems does not look like a good step forward. I had the latest OMD EM1 MkII for two weeks courtesy of Olympus, and yes the IBIS is superb, but its only superb on static targets, anything that moves, and you have to emply a higher shutter speed. The low light performance was not a shadow (every pun included!!) of the X-Trans3 cameras.
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I never "moan" I just admit to reality, big difference ;) I'd be only looking to very cheap options for fun [old + used only]. If I was looking to shoot serious and had money it wouldn't be M43 I'd be heading to. I've had times where I could buy what I want - hence having a D800E when it was just out and adding an X100s when it was fresh too ... I'm not f'ing living on the side of the road or anything :ROFLMAO: I could make it happen if I really pushed myself but thanks for the concern. It would just mean doing paid jobs, which I do get asked all the time, but refuse because I just can't be bovvered. I only ever used money I earned from shooting for new gear, and I stop taking those jobs, the wedding thing is not for me, too stressful :eek:My Gas is nothing on the average here I would say for definite.
 
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tijuana taxi said:
That is good David, but I like to have the option of a lower ISO if required, the main reason I rarely use primes without a tripod.
For that reason I did briefly look at Sony FF, just couldn't get a comfortable hold on the one or two I tried. Also felt bigger and heavier although I know some people disagree, lenses are rather pricey too.

No, I am sticking with Fuji interchangeable cameras, no real complaints, but bit miffed about the X-E3 having functions solely operated via a touchscreen.
My fingers do not operate those things, have to use a stylus for a decent contact, embarrassing asking a stranger to help use the railway station ticket machine.
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Rich, I am 100% with you regarding touchscreens, but I suppose its the way of the modern world, and I suspect that Fuji are just trying to cater to a wider audience for their cameras, there needs to be a difference between the X-Ex family and the X-Tx0 family as effectively the camera bodies are at the same price point.
 
The Xe3 and XT20 is probably one of the harder decisions Fuji placed on consumers. I'd have trouble choosing, the touch screen actually intrigues me, and then the Xe3 has the joystick. But, no flippy screen :(
 
OK, I normally jump in boots and all without reading back...

I would love to change but I am fairly heavily invested in Canon lenses and bodies and I am also a sentimental idiot...;)

I love the retro feel and look of the Fuji system and their lenses are rather nice...especially the 100-400. What I do not like about the Fuji system is their dumbing down of photography...which some would say is the benefit of modern technology...seeing your exposure before clicking the shutter...there is no denying that Fuji has placed some amazing gear on the market.

Maybe I will start building an alternative system...

XT2, 100-400, 10-24, one of the 35's, the 70-200 equivalent, the 56mm and 1 or 2 more would look good in my bag...

Oh and definitely the 90...
 
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Mr Perceptive said:
OK I'll bite, please explain more???
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No need to bite, just my opinion...

I hate digital but it is a convenient evil that won't go away and so we are stuck with it.

The whole seeing your exposure in the EVF is very nifty and I can see how it saves a huge lot of time, frustration and effort but here is me doing the Tarzan thing beating my chest about loving big & heavy gear...also, and not only Fuji, but digital as a whole removed the skill from photography to a large extent.

Oh well, keep up with the times I reckon...but to kind of get in line with this thread...if I had to start out now I would be hard pressed not to go Fuji...
 
I think I see where you're coming from, and I sort-of agree, but Fuji is better than some other digital manufacturers in that the control of its cameras is more akin to the analogue way of working. Which to me is a good thing.
 
antonroland said:
No need to bite, just my opinion...

I hate digital but it is a convenient evil that won't go away and so we are stuck with it.

The whole seeing your exposure in the EVF is very nifty and I can see how it saves a huge lot of time, frustration and effort but here is me doing the Tarzan thing beating my chest about loving big & heavy gear...also, and not only Fuji, but digital as a whole removed the skill from photography to a large extent.

Oh well, keep up with the times I reckon...but to kind of get in line with this thread...if I had to start out now I would be hard pressed not to go Fuji...
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But that's just digital and not Fuji (alone), the fact that Fuji puts the exposure triangle on the outside of the camera (rather than a million buttons and wheels) makes the whole process of taking an image much more tactile.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
But that's just digital and not Fuji (alone), the fact that Fuji puts the exposure triangle on the outside of the camera (rather than a million buttons and wheels) makes the whole process of taking an image much more tactile.
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And exactly that is IMHO where the skill is lost. So Fuji presents us with an easier set of buttons to push until the right image appears on the rear screen...

Again, keeping up with the times I suppose.

In all fairness, many many more cameras in the hands of many many more people has definitely led to vastly higher quality photography and images over that of, say, two decades ago. One only needs to spend 2 minutes on Flickr to see absolute proof of that.

But, despite all that, I would go Fuji in a heartbeat...or as soon as it makes financial sense to do so.

I would probably leave Canon behind completely. I love my 5D 1 and other older bodies too much.
 
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You can turn the exposure preview off IIRC.
 
Nod said:
You can turn the exposure preview off IIRC.
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But what would be the point of that?:p

Would that not be a bit like buying a Porsche and removing the doors?
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Posted on another thread



My 2p, you'd be much better off spending the £500 notes on upgrading to the X-T20 (or X-T2) :D:D:D
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I could almost do that as is, the XT-1 and grip used on Irish local sales sites would have me well on the way to an XT20 new.
 
But have you guys seen images from the Fuji Medium Format sensor?:wideyed::D

Seriously, not to chase megapixels but that thing produces images that make me want to sell both my kidneys...
 
I don't think Fuji are any more guilty of making anything too easy than other digital camera manufacturers, you still need to know what you're doing to get the best from them.

The GFX looks insane yeah, just like the price of the lenses for it
 
antonroland said:
And exactly that is IMHO where the skill is lost. So Fuji presents us with an easier set of buttons to push until the right image appears on the rear screen...
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So, following your reasoning, if you were to remove the live preview, the histogram, and the ability to review images, and make us wait a week before we take the memory card out and place it in the computer, all would be well with the world? ;) :D
 
Stephen L said:
So, following your reasoning, if you were to remove the live preview, the histogram, and the ability to review images, and make us wait a week before we take the memory card out and place it in the computer, all would be well with the world? ;) :D
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Pretty much yes but no need to wait a week...:p
 
Mr Perceptive said:
@antonroland Leica M-D (the one without a rear screen or live view) ticks most of your boxes
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Cheers for that...it being a Leica I probably would not be able to afford it though:(...

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For that amount of money I would gladly buy a Fuji GFX system and stick some duct tape over the rear screen...
 
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antonroland said:
The whole seeing your exposure in the EVF is very nifty and I can see how it saves a huge lot of time, frustration and effort but here is me doing the Tarzan thing beating my chest about loving big & heavy gear...also, and not only Fuji, but digital as a whole removed the skill from photography to a large extent.
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Personally I can live with things that help me get better results but my gripe at the moment is screen grabbing from 4K video. Record the event and then just do a screen grab in camera to get that "perfect" capture ... where is the skill in that?
 
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