By and large, short barrelled handguns are just as accurate as longer barrelled ones, but they're more difficult to shoot well because of the shorter sight radius. Felt recoil and blast/flash can be an issue with some cartridges, particularly for inexperienced shooters, but several manufacturers now offer loads developed for these guns.
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By and large, short barrelled handguns are just as accurate as longer barrelled ones, but they're more difficult to shoot well because of the shorter sight radius. Felt recoil and blast/flash can be an issue with some cartridges, particularly for inexperienced shooters, but several manufacturers now offer loads developed for these guns.
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It was only a matter of time
I used to load all my own, matching head / powder / primer and crimp.
Almost as much fun loading as it was shooting TBH
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Sectional density and kinetic energy come into play here here. The longer the barrel the more velocity and kinetic energy is produced from the expanding gases making the bullet projectile penetrate further than a short barrelled handgun.
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If you want to do someone a mischief you'd use a broadhead arrow. That'll do a lot more than 'inconvenience' them.
Just ask the French at Agincourt.
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Had the English been using .45acp rounds it wouldn't have lasted half as long, but then of course we wouldn't (allegedly) had the two fingered "salute"If you want to do someone a mischief you'd use a broadhead arrow. That'll do a lot more than 'inconvenience' them.
Just ask the French at Agincourt.
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If you want to do someone a mischief you'd use a broadhead arrow. That'll do a lot more than 'inconvenience' them.
Just ask the French at Agincourt.
Wouldn't it be fascinating to be able to tardis back and ask folk questions at the same time as being able to tell them how things actually turn out?
Totally screw up history (allegedly), but fascinating nonetheless.
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Had the English been using .45acp rounds it wouldn't have lasted half as long, but then of course we wouldn't (allegedly) had the two fingered "salute"
Don't think I would like to face a rampaging medieval army with any hand gun. You might hit a few by accident but with arrows coming in fron 2 to three hundred yards from prone foot held bows and extra long arrows coming down like rain. There would be not a lot to do about it.
now a machine gun might help with a few hundred weight of ammunition.
The french thought they would be fighting a conventional chivalrous knight on knight battle with quarter and ransom.
there was no quarter and no, one on one. Knights never made much contact, they were treated the same a footsoldiers and crossbow men, most died on foot stuck with the weight of plate armour in the mud and blood.
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Don't ruin a good argument with facts this is TP remember
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Check it your'll find its all trueThis is a wind up, yeah?
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Indians used very primative bows and arrows they still killed lots of cowboys.
it wasn't till the fast acting revolver and magazine rifles came along that the indians lost their advantage of numbers.
Till then they could pick off any small group and avoid fighting pitched battles.
The semi automatic rifle made defence realistic and forced the Indians to change tactics.
it wasn't till the fast acting revolver and magazine rifles came along that the indians lost their advantage of numbers.
Till then they could pick off any small group and avoid fighting pitched battles.
The semi automatic rifle made defence realistic and forced the Indians to change tactics.
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I think that George Armstrong Custer, would agree with that
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Very simplistic; and not a realistic cause for the partial demise of the native Americans.
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Yes I'm not an expert but imported diseases like smallpox and starvation when we killed off the buffaloes were major factors
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Watched a documentary the other day on gun related deaths in the USA. Really hard hitting stuff. Used social media, headlines, 911 calls and police reports only with no one else talking. It was called Requiem for the Dead. The accidental death of a child killing his friend and then trying to put the blood back into his friend got to me..... Watch it if you can it is downloadable and very worth a watch. 8000 deaths in 3 months alone this covered!
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His band of murdering rapists were too busy running to shootI think that George Armstrong Custer, would agree with that
Not to mention ethnic cleansing and genocide
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You make more out of what i said than was implied. which was nor more than they would lose the big battles, and have much less success in the smaller ones.
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It seems he was out numbered 3:1 ( roughly) although I always was led believe it was total annihilation, but it would seem ( or so Google tells me)
The total U.S. casualty count, including scouts, was 268 dead and 55 injured. (from 700)
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And we of course all know the difference between the 2 don't we?
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And we of course all know the difference between the 2 don't we?
Yes, anyone who's looked at the buggers
(or bases their knowledge on more than westerns!)
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No, silly, you can wash your hand in a Bison, but not in a BuffaloYes, anyone who's looked at the buggers
( it works better in the telling than written
)Custer split his force, retaining direct command of 5 companies, and gave Benteen and Reno three companies each. I think the remaining one was held in reserve and to protect the supply train. There's a bit of debate about the exact course of the battle, but Custer and his men were wiped out and most of the rest survived. FWIW, the US cavalry were armed with .45-70 Trapdoor Springfields (single shot breechloaders) and Colt .45 SAA revolvers; and a significant number of their opponents carried Henry or Winchester lever action repeating rifles, so Custer and his men were outnumbered and, arguably, outgunned. Custer had been offered Gatlings before he set out, but decided against them because he thought they would slow him down too much.
The campaign and the battle pose some interesting comparisons with Chelmsford's decisions leading up to Isandlwana three years later. I'll write this up one day.
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And we of course all know the difference between the 2 don't we?
Of course only one is found in the USA.
However they exported tonnes of buffalo hides to europe each year.
and Buffalo Bill must have done something to get his reputation.
Bison skin is stll called buffalo hide.
And we of course all know the difference between the 2 don't we?
Yip. A bison is a wussy American animal. Mbogo lives in Africa, and is a real buffalo. Forget about your .45 ACP or even the .45 Long Colt, these guys can shrug off anything smaller than an 88mm...
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Yip. A bison is a wussy American animal. Mbogo lives in Africa, and is a real buffalo. Forget about your .45 ACP or even the .45 Long Colt, these guys can shrug off anything smaller than an 88mm...
Aren't Cape Buffalo considered to he just about the most dangerous big critters on the continent? (In terms if human deaths and gorings).
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No, silly, you can wash your hand in a Bison, but not in a Buffalo
Interesting read thanks
As an aside I spent time in NE South Dakota, one road trip involved going to the cave hills we were trapping and banding birds of prey,
well that is my two companions were, they were the guys with the licences I was just the gofa
On the particular trip, one of the guys sent me out on a little trail, and told me to see what I could find, not too far up the ( low) rocky trail, there was a big 7 carved in the rock,
It seems that the 7th passed that way on the way to being beaten up by the native Lakota. et al.
It was one of those hairs on the back of the neck moment
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Try chambering that into a sharps or winchesterthese guys can shrug off anything smaller than an 88mm...
One of them anyway. I'd put hippo and crocs up at the top too, but a lot of deaths in rural Africa are never reported and I don't think anyone really knows for sure.
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Interesting......who decided to shoot at you? What had you done to warrant that?
Ive got mates in the Forces too, I was in the Forces myself for eight years but was in the one that sensibly sends its officers to do the fighting. I was an armament technician working on weaponry and Ejection systems. Had a great time and the nearest I got to combat was taking on Germans in the local bars while serving in RAFG!
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It is all about the money and lobby system!
If no one flies because of fear of terrorist attack then global economy suffers so we the travelling public put up with the security controls.
If as a result of the likes of Columbine anyone rocks the usa lobby & corporate body structure the ripples will just mean that the more vocal electors (shakers/movers and the king makers) will vote in representatives who will vote in favour of the gun lobby and the more liberal and clearer thinkers will become an even smaller minority.
It has always struck me that in what proclaims itself to be the land of the free and a/the most democratic of countries has its political structure so overtly apparently manipulated by money! The current situation with Donald Trump being a most extreme example
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It's a bit different though isn't it? One highlights a major security inspection flaw at airport security and the other, well it had nothing to do with that.
Guns are already controlled and checked at airports including plastic ones, with proven procedures in place.
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It is all about the money and lobby system!
If no one flies because of fear of terrorist attack then global economy suffers so we the travelling public put up with the security controls.
If as a result of the likes of Columbine anyone rocks the usa lobby & corporate body structure the ripples will just mean that the more vocal electors (shakers/movers and the king makers) will vote in representatives who will vote in favour of the gun lobby and the more liberal and clearer thinkers will become an even smaller minority.
It has always struck me that in what proclaims itself to be the land of the free and a/the most democratic of countries has its political structure so overtly apparently manipulated by money! The current situation with Donald Trump being a most extreme example
Do you believe our own system isn't also rife with political lobbying and financial corruption?
In some ways, our own system is less democratic than theirs.
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I don't think our own system is rife with corruption- give them the benefit of the doubt!
I suspect that most MPs on both sides (and the middle) believe what they are doing is for the good of the country.
I may not like what a certain party stands for but they think they are doing what is right.
This is a democracy and I'll stand by the majority's decisions.
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In a normal year in the US you should expect the usual 32,000 deaths from firearms. But things could be up this year with the BBC reporting: "US murder rate sees sharp increase in 2015" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34120247
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