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I know there have been loads of filter threads recently but I don't think any of them have touched upon filters for use with colour film.
So, any recommendations? What filters will enhance my shots, circular polariser? Any coloured filters? I haven't got a scooby :shrug:

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Andy
 
I'd say that Jonathan showed the other day even grads aren't needed if you're shooting Portra!
 
A fair point Steve but there will be occasions when they are needed even with Portra.

Andy
 
Depends what you want to do with them or spend on them.

I'd recommend a couple of ND grads and probably a solid ND too. I can't say whether a CPL will do any good because I've never used one.
 
i was thinking about this the other day. There's a million and one coloured filters for B&W work but not a lot for colour. Ive seen "colour enhancers" though. Not sure what they do. A UV filter does do a little more than just protect a lens and a polariser will help with certain things.
 
Filters for colour film?

Good old Polorizer is always a good start.

ND Grads can be very useful when you have bright sky's.

Warm Up filters if your shooting very early in the day, or during winter or even for portraits.

Most of the coloured filters were used to colour correct for things like flouresent lights or if using tungstan balance film in daylight.

Having said that you might be able to use say an orange filter to boost sunset type pictures, but having ever done that I really don't know.
 
Thanks guys. I do have ND grads (the square Cokin ones) but I think a decent quality circular polariser would be useful and possible a warm up filter.

Andy
 
when I used to get out shooting "in the hills/mountains" using Velvia I doubt the Polarising filter ever came off the lens tbh!

(I should add though, that back then, the widest I shot was 28mm on 35mm film, so didn't run into the dark blue one side of the sky, normal the other problem very often - anything wider and you really have to watch for it.)
 
when I used to get out shooting "in the hills/mountains" using Velvia I doubt the Polarising filter ever came off the lens tbh!

Agreed, if you like a nice blue sky, then a polarising filter is a must. Watch the sky darken in colour as you turn the ring.
 
although if you go really wide you get a nice dark sky on one side and a nice light sky on the other! Good for lakes and seas and toning down sparkly things though.
 
Has anyone tried using a polarising filter made for digital on film?
 
Has anyone tried using a polarising filter made for digital on film?

Yes. The result is still a polarised image. The circular polariser just randomises the light again after cutting out what it doesn't want.

This is so it will work with some cameras which use polarisers internally in their metering and/or focusing mechanisms. If you used a linear polariser, some positions would give a net result of no light through the mechanism and it wouldn't work.


Steve.
 
Having said that you might be able to use say an orange filter to boost sunset type pictures, but having ever done that I really don't know.

I remember having an orange grad that I used to use for sunsets many decades ago. (cokin)

Polariser also handy for knocking a stop or two off the exposure if you've a camera with limited fast shutter speeds if I remember correctly.
 
My charity shop bargain in Edinburgh included a grey and a tobacco coloured grad (not sure if you're allowed to use it indoors!).

I've got a CPL, but I'm not sure I've ever used it. I also bought a filter for fluorescent light, but then couldn't get to the venue I was planning to use it for!

My question is: how do people manage their filters? I seem to have a random set of filters in various colours and sizes, in different drawers and bags, some in nice plastic cases, some just bare. It's a mess, and I'm never likely to have the right filter with me. How on earth can one systematise filters?
 
A few months ago I was given a bag full of bits. In it was a star filter. I don't think I will ever use it!


Steve.
 
My question is: how do people manage their filters? I seem to have a random set of filters in various colours and sizes, in different drawers and bags, some in nice plastic cases, some just bare. It's a mess, and I'm never likely to have the right filter with me. How on earth can one systematise filters?

Exactly, which is why I want to keep it simple. No more than 4 or 5 filters at most for both b and w and colour.
 
Realistically the only filters you need if you intend to scan are the grads and a polariser if you like the effect. I also carry a set of lee warming filters for when I'm out shooting Astia/Provia as with slides I like to get it right if possible

The tobacco grads etc are good if you want to replicate the top gear look
 
Exactly, which is why I want to keep it simple. No more than 4 or 5 filters at most for both b and w and colour.

I'm making do with yellow (for black and white). Just got some ND soft grads for whenever. Won't get anything else.

Trying the KISS approach. Keep It Simple Stupid !!
 
I think you're right, Trevor. Normally I keep a black and white film in the MX with a yellow filter on the lens, and colour in the ME with just a UV. But sometimes I swap lenses. I do get some strange colour casts...
 
I generally leave the yellow filter on the folder, primarily because its hard to get off but I very rarely run colour through it any way. The RB67 came with a full set of "standard" b&w colour filters, which is nice, and I've just bought some grads so I think I'm done for the moment. Unless I see and enormous polariser going cheap...
 
I personally have rarely felt the need for any other filter than a yellow for B&W film. Green and orange are useful however, depending on the look you're after.

ND grads are a must imho. I have a full set of LEE soft ND grads and a LEE 2 stop hard ND grad for certain occasions. Also, useful at times is a 3 stop solid ND filter. Polarisers are good if you like the look, but personally I find using them on wide angle lenses makes blue skies look terribly uneven. I find the photos I take look fine without one.

Portra. Yeah, that stuff is pretty impressive! A one of a kind film though. And yes, there are times I'd have used grads on Portra as well. I only tend to grad B&W film when beyond ~7 stops of DR in the scene.
 
I did use some hitech filters with velvia a while back, and the colour cast it gave the shots was horrible.

gonna try out some velvia and lee filters when I am in wales next month :-)
 
Yeah hitechs and velvia is a bad combination. Lee filters while not cheap work incredibly well with Provia and I see no reason why they wouldn't with any other film
 
When I was at college, I think it was; we clubbed together on one of the bulk-buy offers in one of the mags... it was something daft. price fell from £5 per filter to about 75p! But we had to buy 100 or something stupid! I used the opportunity to fill in some holes and get some creative ones to play with.
Anyway, top choices for colour.

0/ Skylight / UV... one for each lens as a protection element.

1/ Polariser (Doesn't have to be a circular polariser unless you have an AF camera, and then only if meter or focus system get confused by it) MOST used filter on any of my cameras. If you tried taking away my filters, THIS is the one I would be trying to hide from you!
Removing reflections & saturating colours, is something that cant be replicated or mimicked in PP. So still a useful tool, regardless of medium.
Scanning negs though, I have noticed a lot of corner masking.... not present in prints, cropped to fit print paper format, or noticed in slides (too small, or if projected, usually suffering a bit of corner drop out anyway!), so something to be cautiouse of, they can be thick filters especially on a system mount.

2/ Colour Correction set.
2a) Tungsten -> Daylight
2b) Flourescent -> Daylight
Removes orage or green cast from artificial light when using common day-light balenced film... particularly more useful on slide film, where casts cant be corrected by printer; and these days where getting specialist film can be more difficult/expensive. But correction quickly and easily applied in camera on Digital, or during PP if images scanned; so not as useful as they perhaps once were.

3/ Graduates - I think that there are three graduation densities.
3a) Grey Grad (Medium) for holding back skies. Not used anywhere near as often as I expected.
3b) Blue Grad (lowest density)
Boosts blue skies... used more often than I expected.... but a bit of a cheat, and you have to be careful, as can be incredibly obviouse!
3c) Tobaco Grad (middle density)
Boosts sunsets and beaches... can look cheesy. Not used very much.
3d) Green Grad (lowest density)
boosts foliage & grass... didn't think this would get much if any use, BUT actually quite useful. Aparently human eye is not so sensitive to green light, and can tolerate a lot of boost to saturate green. Particularly useful in summer with strong sunlight and faded grass.
Toning & tinting is so much easier in Post-Process digi-dark room these days, so coloured grads possibly less useful than they were, but you cant get a blown out sky back in PP, so, grey-grad at least still pretty useful.

4/ Star-burst
5a) 2-line
5b) 4-line
5c) 6-line
Errmmm... can put nice high-light twinkle on rippling water and stuff.... and it's something you cant replicate very well in Digi-Dark-room.... used considerately, can work nicely, but big risk of mega-cheese.

5/ Centre Spot
I got three, a black, a white & a tobacco.... The wedding/portrait photographer's favourite, aparently. Does a vignette fade from subject to frame edges. Used, without much success, occassionally. I think they probably work better in studio enviroment.. or for other people! Was easy enough to replicate with a vignette in the dark room, during printing, and a two second doddle in modern Digi-Dark-room; so probably no great loss t any-one these days.

Looking through the Cokin catalogue I still have... I think I have a graduated 'mist' filter knocking around some-where, I think I tried it once. Then there were a bunch of clear filters with artificial rainbows.... pure 60's cheese... probably go well with CND symbol bakula mask! Then into prismatic 'fly's eye' multi image filters... more 70's ABBA album cover crap! Speed or stretch streaks, ans stuff. Mostly all 'in-camera' montage sort of stuff. Very little that cant be done or done better in post-process, esp Digi.

So, a lot of old filters are reletively redundant in digi era, but there are a few still worth having; UV's to protect lens element; Polariser definitely; Neutral Density, & Grey Grad; starburst & maybe centre spot. Colour correction for film.
 
Thanks Mike,a full and helpful answer. I shall ponder and decide.

Andy
 
I've been having a look at filters recently (wanted a polariser to get rid of some of the reflections I see in shots), and the graduated NDs, filter holders (!), adapter rings...

should just stick to doing what I know! It's all a nightmare!
 
An expensive one at that.

I had a slight slip yesterday and brought some more Lees.

At least film cameras are expensive but not especially complicated :lol:

I think I need an adapter to connect the filter holder to the lens, and then a filter holder, and then a 0.3, 0.6, 0.9 graduated ND soft edge... :bang:
 
Is there a particular brand (apart from Lee as I am not made of money) that people recommend? Or are the cheapy Chinese ones on eBay just as good? I'll only be using it on 35mm colour shots.
 
Is there a particular brand (apart from Lee as I am not made of money) that people recommend? Or are the cheapy Chinese ones on eBay just as good? I'll only be using it on 35mm colour shots.

Hitech or Cokin will be better than the cheapo ebay jobbies but won't break the bank
 
I bought a set of Hitech, 3x soft grads, wide angle adapter and filter holder. 100mm size from Teamwork Photo. Cost £200

I've yet to use them. Got them for use with my F2. So far I've never shot it tripod mounted...
 
Is there a particular brand (apart from Lee as I am not made of money) that people recommend? Or are the cheapy Chinese ones on eBay just as good? I'll only be using it on 35mm colour shots.

From what I understand, in order of quality and lack of colour cast you have:-

Lee
Hi-Tech
Cokin
Cheap eBay

I'm sure there's probably others as well.

This doesn't mean that they are unusable or rubbish but will take a bit of trial and error to get the effect you want.


You're more likely to have problems shooting colour film than b&w. It all depends on how much PP you're prepared to do.
 
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After listening to all the good advice on here I decided to keep it reasonably simple and went for a circular polarising filter, a warming filter, nd grads and yellow and orange filters. That should do it.

Cheers guys and girls
 
I bought a set of Hitech, 3x soft grads, wide angle adapter and filter holder. 100mm size from Teamwork Photo. Cost £200

I've yet to use them. Got them for use with my F2. So far I've never shot it tripod mounted...

Fantastic! Let us know how you get on with them, that's basically the set I'm looking for.
 
For grads it has to be Kood in 85mm, very very nice grads. Though I do kinda like the green sky my Cokin gave me.

I have a few colour correction filters pottering around, 81A I use a lot as I prefer wearm toned images, I think I've got some more drastic ones kicking about too that I don't really use...82A, 85A and an ebay CPL. I'll star ta classifieds thread if you're interested in them for the price of postage?
 
I think I mentioned a while ago on the bargains thread that I got a couple of Cokin grads and a 49mm holder in an Edinburgh charity shop. Two questions: can you normally see where the grad comes into effect, when looking through a SLR viewer? I couldn't really make it out, and ended up trying to estimate where it was by looking externally at the change in relation to the front of the lens. It just seemed a somewhat bonkers way to do it.:help:

Second question: one of the grads was "tobacco". If used with black and white film, would this have some of the effect of a yellow filter?

I'm guessing these are stupidly naive questions, but so far I've only taken one photo with the grads, and I can't remeber which one it was!:bonk:
 
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