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Maybe the title is a bit harsh and the Chinese lady's decision was borne out of ignorance but it was certainly reckless. She knew enough to present at a hospital but for goodness sake why did it not occur to her that in the event of her being tested positive for the Corona virus she would have put at risk the Uber driver that took her to the A & E, the people waiting in A&E, the reception staff and the medical staff. ? She's been described as 'recently' arriving in the UK so if she was living with family/friends why haven't any of them suggested a phone call first ? It clearly didn't occur to her to do it. You could go on speculating but a phone call either by her or someone else would have been the correct course of action. It seems that she was alone (so must speak reasonable english) as no other person, apart from the Uber driver and hospital staff have been reported as being isolated/quarantined .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...onavirus-patient-turned-up-hospital-uber-taxi
 
JohnC6 said:
Maybe the title is a bit harsh and the Chinese lady's decision was borne out of ignorance but it was certainly reckless. She knew enough to present at a hospital but for goodness sake why did it not occur to her that in the event of her being tested positive for the Corona virus she would have put at risk the Uber driver that took her to the A & E, the people waiting in A&E, the reception staff and the medical staff. ? She's been described as 'recently' arriving in the UK so if she was living with family/friends why haven't any of them suggested a phone call first ? It clearly didn't occur to her to do it. You could go on speculating but a phone call either by her or someone else would have been the correct course of action. It seems that she was alone (so must speak reasonable english) as no other person, apart from the Uber driver and hospital staff have been reported as being isolated/quarantined .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...onavirus-patient-turned-up-hospital-uber-taxi
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Humans are idiots in general
 
And how often do people go to the GP with a cold or flu? People do this sort of thing all the time, common sense is a rare thing.
 
JohnC6 said:
Maybe the title is a bit harsh and the Chinese lady's decision was borne out of ignorance but it was certainly reckless. She knew enough to present at a hospital but for goodness sake why did it not occur to her that in the event of her being tested positive for the Corona virus she would have put at risk the Uber driver that took her to the A & E, the people waiting in A&E, the reception staff and the medical staff. ? She's been described as 'recently' arriving in the UK so if she was living with family/friends why haven't any of them suggested a phone call first ? It clearly didn't occur to her to do it. You could go on speculating but a phone call either by her or someone else would have been the correct course of action. It seems that she was alone (so must speak reasonable english) as no other person, apart from the Uber driver and hospital staff have been reported as being isolated/quarantined .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...onavirus-patient-turned-up-hospital-uber-taxi
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People arriving by plane, even with a suspected COVID case, are not being given any advice about phoning 111 etc. I’ve just seen a TV interview with a sensible man (whose wife is a nurse) who arrive this am with sick passenger and said no such advice was given, just had to fill in form with contact details.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Humans are idiots in general
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Yes.. I know what you mean . I recall a friend telling me that only 10% of people could be classed as intelligent. That's a very broad assertion and thinking back on it I should have asked him where he got that figure from but that aside humans are the most intelligent of species but that doesn't stop them doing stupid things though, often by the more intelligent of us, and that involves damaging the environment..land and seas..polluting the air too and another stupid activity...war.

I've tried to see if I can get an answer to my friend's assertion but was unable to do so but whilst digging around via Google I was taken aback by coming across amazing coincidence regarding savants. As most will know a Savant is someone with extraordianary capacity in one particular area ..math for instance and astonishing recall. A French word meaning..learned..a person of knowledge ,however they can have serious mental conditions like autism but have some island of genius. As many as one in ten with autistic disorders have some extraordinary mental capacity. There's the famous film 'Rainman'with Dustin Hoffman as an Autistic Savant. (not all are autistic) The film was based on a real person, Kim Peek who died in December 2009.

The mind boggles: Kim Peek : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/22/kim-peek-rain-man-dies

The term Savant has been around since 1783 with the first specific description being made by London doctor, Dr John Langdon Down ( also discoverer of genetic condition Down Syndrome ) in 1887 so it seems extraordinary to me that the person with the highest IQ recorded to date is an American lady called... Marilyn Vos Savant (Savant being the surname of her parents which she said women should keep ) At ten years old she was assessed to have the mental ability of a person of 22 years 10 months. This gave her a score of 228 but the methodology used has been discredited but in the mid-80's the Guinness Book of World Records gave her a score of 186..the norm is around Book of Records 100. That was 1986-1989 and then Guinness abandoned this 'Highest IQ' category in 1990.

Marilyn Vos Savant is now 73. Not only a very intelligent lady but a very attractive one too. Her parents were immigrants to the US from Germany and Italy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant
 
sirch said:
Anybody who thinks that is not in the 10% :LOL:
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On the other hand, 50% are definitely of below average intelligence :)
 
sphexx said:
On the other hand, 50% are definitely of below average intelligence :)
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Not necessarily :)

It's a standard normal curve - a bell curve. For IQ tests the average is 100, the typical standard deviation for IQ tests is 15 and "average" is often taken as in the range 90 - 109, therefore putting less than half below 90.

That said, IQ is not the only measure of intellegence, it is just one of the easiest to measure. Most company CEO's don't have very high IQ's (average around 110-120 IIRC) but earn an awful lot more than people with high IQs.
 
sirch said:
Not necessarily :)

It's a standard normal curve - a bell curve. For IQ tests the average is 100, the typical standard deviation for IQ tests is 15 and "average" is often taken as in the range 90 - 109, therefore putting less than half below 90.

That said, IQ is not the only measure of intellegence, it is just one of the easiest to measure. Most company CEO's don't have very high IQ's (average around 110-120 IIRC) but earn an awful lot more than people with high IQs.
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No doubt but I didn’t write “below average IQ”, so I think I’ll stand by what I wrote :). Its not even clear that IQ is measuring intelligence. It may be that academics claim it is but I think you’ll find they all score highly in IQ so some bias may exist :D.
 
sphexx said:
People arriving by plane, even with a suspected COVID case, are not being given any advice about phoning 111 etc. I’ve just seen a TV interview with a sensible man (whose wife is a nurse) who arrive this am with sick passenger and said no such advice was given, just had to fill in form with contact details.
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Even worse, Richard..ie the official line being carried out by the official. Was that person flying in from China ?

The Chinese citizen who went to A&E had come from China,maybe not Wuhan but Wuhan was locked down on January 23rd but more pertinent WHO (China) first heard about an unknown virus behind a number of pneumonia cases in Wuhan on December 31st. To date at least 1380 people have died in China..more than Sars in 2002/3

It was reported that she arrived 'recently' so probably since January 23rd. Considering this I still think someone should have made a phone call to the hospital even if they weren't aware of 101.
 
sirch said:
Not necessarily :)

It's a standard normal curve - a bell curve. For IQ tests the average is 100, the typical standard deviation for IQ tests is 15 and "average" is often taken as in the range 90 - 109, therefore putting less than half below 90.

That said, IQ is not the only measure of intellegence, it is just one of the easiest to measure. Most company CEO's don't have very high IQ's (average around 110-120 IIRC) but earn an awful lot more than people with high IQs.
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It's a good point..ie IQ not being the only measure of intelligence. I've read a few critical articles re the assessment of levels of intelligence. One tends to relate a high level of intelligence with people who consistently make correct calls on complex issues and then, of course those in science disciplines, top engineers, inventors (eg Dyson) and for me, especially those who are able to understand the abstract and those who deliver the annual Reith Lectures and on a general level in all fields those who have the ability to, as they say.. think out of the box.

Re CEO's I recall reading a very interesting article that some of those at the top of their game fit the criteria for a psychopath. I'm sure you'll find this article interesting if not enlightening. Before I read this..maybe not this particular article..I thought the only psychopath was the serial killer. The name, obviously, has a wider meaning.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/#17fa1291791e
 
JohnC6 said:
It was reported that she arrived 'recently' so probably since January 23rd. Considering this I still think someone should have made a phone call to the hospital even if they weren't aware of 101.
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Maybe, but people who are sick don’t always think clearly. Regardless of travellers, I haven’t seen any public service announcements on TV about what to do if you have fever — mentioned in News etc but a lot of people don’t watch the news.
 
JohnC6 said:
It's a good point..ie IQ not being the only measure of intelligence. I've read a few critical articles re the assessment of levels of intelligence. One tends to relate a high level of intelligence with people who consistently make correct calls on complex issues and then, of course those in science disciplines, top engineers, inventors (eg Dyson) and for me, especially those who are able to understand the abstract and those who deliver the annual Reith Lectures and on a general level in all fields those who have the ability to, as they say.. think out of the box.

Re CEO's I recall reading a very interesting article that some of those at the top of their game fit the criteria for a psychopath. I'm sure you'll find this article interesting if not enlightening. Before I read this..maybe not this particular article..I thought the only psychopath was the serial killer. The name, obviously, has a wider meaning.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/#17fa1291791e
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And politicians, I think you’ll find (not joking).
 
sphexx said:
Maybe, but people who are sick don’t always think clearly. Regardless of travellers, I haven’t seen any public service announcements on TV about what to do if you have fever — mentioned in News etc but a lot of people don’t watch the news.
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No, I haven't see any public annoluncements, TV or rasdio either. Five Live gets 5 million kisteners a day.Maybe they think they wouk,d cause , at best anxiety or worse,panic.

Earlier, I watched the 30 minute Channel4 documentary on how prepared the NHS is should we have an outbreak. The answer from staff was not..not very but not atall.

A couple of answers from a questionnaire to 500 health workers it was at 7.30-8.00pm.

No screening at UK airports for travellers from affected regions.. No dedicated isolatiun uinits.. The capacity of the NHS top deal with anythjing on a major scale drastically reduced due to years of cuts..

96% said the NHS woukldn't cope. 93% said there's not enough protection for staff. A doctor said that in the evnt of a sewrious upturn in cases then decisions woukd have tio be made re cancellations for regular patient operatiuns etc.

88% said not enough facilities..I assume isolation facilities.

Apart from our NHS. The Chinese arer usinmg drones to patrol towns and cities to see who isn't wearing a mask and when the drone sees that..or rather the operator.. a message is shouted at the people. I saw people looking up at the drone.

Japan is gopimnbg ahead with they 2020 Olympics,opening JUkly 24th.. It will eiother be over..the virus..or rampanyworldwide and then they'll have to cancel them.

One specialist said at worse 60% of the world's population might contract it.

There's a drive to develop a vaccine and apparently there's one currently being tested on animals here in the UK.. Another issue is the possibility of this Corvid-19 (must remember to call it that now) returning next winter ('flu season,I assume)

My gut feeling is that it's going to get a lot worse. Before restrictions were introduced in China 5 million left Wuhan to go into rural areas where there's few,if any, proper medical services.
 
Softshoe said:
Something a little worrying about a news article which describes HMS Westminster as a sixty-gun frigate. :D
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I think that’s just The Mirror claiming she’s Fourth-Rate ;) .
 
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