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So the latest bright idea from the health fascists in the UK is banning smoking in cars with children in them,well firstly its virtually unenforceable in the same way as the mobile phone ban has been but also anybody thought about the law if the car is a convertible with the roof down
 
i heared about this

so ok they go with this idea are they then going to stop you in your own home ?

erm no so why suggest it ?

all though it is a good idea they will still be breath s/h smoke from parks on the street and any where else there is

so to me it is just stupid nice thought though
 
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They seem to be dancing around the idea of banning smoking but don't actually have the balls to do so.
 
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WHS!

One of the scarriest things I had happen to me in a car was dropping a lit ciggy between my thighs while on the motorway - NOT FUN! Managed to get to the hard shoulder and dispose of the cig before it burned me , although the seat was never the same. Also been hit in the face by a fag-end that was flicked out of the front window - it flew back into the car through the rear window and got me.
 
I would not allow anyone to smoke in my car, but I would not make a law against.

It will turn out like the car mobile phone law - make almost no difference. Univerally ignored.

Unenforceable law is bad law.
 
Firstly, this has got nothing to do with political correctedness.

Secondly, anyone who would smoke in a car with children anyway has to take a long hard look at themselves. There shouldn't have to be a law in place to protect children, but it just goes to show how selfish some people can be that one is being mooted.
 
NorthernNikon said:
Firstly, this has got nothing to do with political correctedness.

Secondly, anyone who would smoke in a car with children anyway has to take a long hard look at themselves. There shouldn't have to be a law in place to protect children, but it just goes to show how selfish some people can be that one is being mooted.
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Although, If we're in banning mode, can we have a ban on idiotic, oversensationalist tabloids?
 
Oxygen masks and forensic suits is the next logical, compulsory step for all drivers.
The interfering and opinionated pc brigade love this kinda stuff :D
 
I smoke,my own stupid decision.My daughter doesn`t,so why should I inflict my smoking habit on her?

I don`t even smoke in the house.
 
NorthernNikon said:
Firstly, this has got nothing to do with political correctedness.

Secondly, anyone who would smoke in a car with children anyway has to take a long hard look at themselves. There shouldn't have to be a law in place to protect children, but it just goes to show how selfish some people can be that one is being mooted.
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who? said:
:plusone:

Although, If we're in banning mode, can we have a ban on idiotic, oversensationalist tabloids?
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having an argument in the car is a helluva lot more distracting than using a mobile, a little more personal choice would be a little nicer imho

There seems to be a lot of regulation about a lot of things and it is taking away from people thinking for themselves
 
just wondering if there is more children killed each year by drunken drivers, in the car than killed by smoking?, just a thought.
 
david1701 said:
having an argument in the car is a helluva lot more distracting than using a mobile, a little more personal choice would be a little nicer imho

There seems to be a lot of regulation about a lot of things and it is taking away from people thinking for themselves
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People thinking for themselves? It's people not thinking that's the problem.

You can't legislate for people having arguments, but if it affects driving it comes under 'driving without due cause and attention'. Using mobiles while driving has cost lives and yet it can be easily legislated against.
 
NorthernNikon said:
Firstly, this has got nothing to do with political correctedness.

Secondly, anyone who would smoke in a car with children anyway has to take a long hard look at themselves. There shouldn't have to be a law in place to protect children, but it just goes to show how selfish some people can be that one is being mooted.
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ditto
 
NorthernNikon said:
I still don't get your point. No-one's suggesting that cigarettes are banned outright, just that smoking them in a car containing children should be illegal.
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but its someones choice to smoke in their own car I don't like any of this smoking ban lark don't like being told what I can and can't do. If a pub landlord don't want anyone smoking then he can put up a sign, not be told to put up a sign by someone else. Sorry this gets under my skin.....
 
As a non smoker I can't agree with this, and not for any other reason than your car is your personal space. Having a law preventing you from smoking in it is akin to a law which says you can't do XYZ in your own space - be it a car or home.

Frankly if someone is a smoker in the home with kids then any law won't stop them being a smoker in the car with kids will it? And most people i've seen smoking in cars tend to wind the window down so the smoke is sucked straight out anyway.

Please note, if you choose to reply to my post, I am deliberately staying out of the safety aspect of not smoking in a car. There's enough legislation to cover that issue already I reckon. My focus is all about what authorities feel they can or cannot inflict on us. :D
 
david1701 said:
but its someones choice to smoke in their own car I don't like any of this smoking ban lark don't like being told what I can and can't do. If a pub landlord don't want anyone smoking then he can put up a sign, not be told to put up a sign by someone else. Sorry this gets under my skin.....
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Of course it is, which is why no-one is suggesting a ban of smoking in the car when there are no children in it. It's not the child's/children's choice whether the driver smokes and as all too many parents are irresposnible so this legislation is being suggested.

The ban of smoking was institagted to protect employees. We all should know what happened before employers were required to safeguard their employees health, injuries and deaths were common place. Would you really be happy for your employer to be allowed to choose whether they follow health and safety regulations?

The whole 'it's my choice whether I smoke or not' argument is a bogus one anyone. People's actions rarely have no effect on others and therefore no-one should ever be allowed to do whatever they want when they want. The idea that smokers should be free to smoke wherever and whenever they want is tantamount to saying that people should be able to spit wherever and whenever they want, even over others.
 
Blue Eagle said:
I'm surprised it isnt banned already so i dont know what you are complaining about. Not sure if it is more dangerous than a mobile though.
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Whilst it is not an offence in itself, you could be charged with driving without due care and attention as other people have who have been stopped whilst eating apples, sandwiches, Mars bars etc.

This is a contentious issue as it is only the officer's opinion, especially if there is no incident. Obviously, if you are seen to be driving erratically or cause an accident whilst driving and eating, you have no defence.

I can't see how it could be as dangerous as driving whilst using a mobile though.

The main problem with the mobile phone isn't the physical holding of it but the distraction caused by having a conversation which takes your mind off the road. For that reason, I think hands free phone conversations should be illegal as well whilst driving.


Steve.
 
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NorthernNikon said:
Of course it is, which is why no-one is suggesting a ban of smoking in the car when there are no children in it. It's not the child's/children's choice whether the driver smokes and as all too many parents are irresposnible so this legislation is being suggested.
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At the risk of incurring some wrath here I'll stick my neck out and say (jokingly, for those whose sense of humour has been removed) There's a few kids I'd personally be happy to see have a shortened life and i'd stick them all in a smoke filled bus with the windows sealed shut, circling the M25 for years on end. A bonus would be seeing the jeremy kyle show taken off air too :D

NorthernNikon said:
The whole 'it's my choice whether I smoke or not' argument is a bogus one anyone. The idea that smokers should be free to smoke wherever and whenever they want is tantamount to saying that people should be able to spit wherever and whenever they want, even over others.
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or even fart eh? :lol: Honestly, why say it's a bogus argument? The real crux of this debate must surely be about how far we allow legislation to control our personal (and private) space. This time the car, next the home? :shrug:
 
hepburn said:
or even fart eh? :lol: Honestly, why say it's a bogus argument? The real crux of this debate must surely be about how far we allow legislation to control our personal (and private) space. This time the car, next the home? :shrug:
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It's a bogus argument whenever exercising your rights infringes on others'. The right to free speech is restricted to prevent people from slandaring others, obviously the right to not have you character falsely besmirched is more important than an overall right to free speech. Some people like hitting other people, why can't they exercise their 'right' to do what they want?

With smoking, somehow some people seem to think that their right to smoke is more important than others' right to be able to breath unsmokey air. In this is, it's the rights of children that are being supported, and in so doing standing up for people who have no choice in the matter.
 
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hepburn said:
A bonus would be seeing the jeremy kyle show taken off air too
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That would be a dream come true!

I think they must go round the UK with a stupidity detector van to get 'guests' for this show.

I accidently watched five minutes of this once. No more!


Steve.
 
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Some people,like myself,who don`t smoke in front of the kids,have NEVER smoked in restaurants and can`t smoke in the pub anymore, actually like to have a ciggie whilst driving alone. Those who smoke where they please will never accept these laws anyway. So why introduce yet another unenforcable law?

Oh yes, to get brownie points of the doogooders and habitual moaners,silly me to forget.
 
fracster said:
Some people,like myself,who don`t smoke in front of the kids,have NEVER smoked in restaurants and can`t smoke in the pub anymore, actually like to have a ciggie whilst driving alone. Those who smoke where they please will never accept these laws anyway. So why introduce yet another unenforcable law?
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But no-one is suggesting that you can't? The suggestion is that you shouldn't be able to smoke in a car when there are kids in it.
 
Yes, but most sane people don`t smoke in a car full of kids anyway.

I`m sure some do though,those people will not change.

Whilst we are at it,some brands of ladies perfume smells of fox pizz to me,can we ban that as well please? People with B.O. smell real bad,lets get rid of them from public places as well. You will retort that perfume and B.O. does not affect health,but how do you know?........:lol:
 
fracster said:
You will retort that perfume and B.O. does not affect health,but how do you know?........:lol:
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If you are in a car with them and it becomes vomit inducing, then i agree :lol:

This really would be a "public pleasing" law, as it wouldnt be inforced. How many people do we still see driving while on a mobile.
And if its not seen a sa "public pleasing" law, then its surely just to generate more money for the fat cats to spend on their pool repairs etc ;)
 
NorthernNikon said:
But no-one is suggesting that you can't? The suggestion is that you shouldn't be able to smoke in a car when there are kids in it.
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Thin end of the wedge if you ask me. Let's look at smoking in the workplace over the years as an example...

First it was stopping smoking at your desk/machine. We got smoking rooms introduced, until they closed those and installed outdoors smoking "shelters". Then they removed those and replaced them with either a wall mounted butt container or a "non-shelter". And these days it's all too common to find you have to go right off your employers premises to smoke. Some won't even allow you to sit and smoke in your car if it's in their car park. :thumbsdown:

So here we are, now seeing the start of the ban smoking in our personal space, presumably because "they" are not content with having stopped it in our work and leisure space...

It won't affect me because I don't smoke, but I really feel for those who do and have to endure this constant battering whilst paying through the nose in taxes in pursuit of their enjoyment.

Frankly I would be more impressed if these people and their supporters, presumably yourself being one of them (?), were to put their energies into more pressing problems such as childhood obesity - a problem far worse than the dangers of exposure to 2nd hand smoke during what is for most a relatively short and infrequent journey!

If you really want to make a difference to kids that's where I would urge you to start. And stop the subtle attacks on smokers - either go for an all out ban or just let them get on with it.

*phew*. That's my mini rant for today. Hope no-one got offended, especially N/Nikon. :) I just feel strongly that smokers are too easily targetted and punished because they are an easy target.
 
hepburn said:
Frankly I would be more impressed if these people and their supporters, presumably yourself being one of them (?), were to put their energies into more pressing problems such as childhood obesity - a problem far worse than the dangers of exposure to 2nd hand smoke during what is for most a relatively short and infrequent journey!

If you really want to make a difference to kids that's where I would urge you to start. And stop the subtle attacks on smokers - either go for an all out ban or just let them get on with it.

*phew*. That's my mini rant for today. Hope no-one got offended, especially N/Nikon. :) I just feel strongly that smokers are too easily targetted and punished because they are an easy target.
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Don't worry, no offence taken here.

Of course, you are right, childhood obesity is a huge issue, however I don't hold with the argument that because something is a bigger issue (whether it is or not) means that smaller issues can't be tackled. Banning smoking in cars with children is relatively straightforward, encouraging kids (and their parents) to do more and eat less is far more complicated.

As I said in my first post, I really don't see the problem with this suggested law. Anyone who smokes in the car with kids in should have a long hard looka t themselves.

I also don't agree with the 'thin edge of the wedge' victimisation argument either. Banning smoking in the workplace has made the work place a far safer and more comfortable place to be in. I've no doubt that some employers have made it hard to smoke than it necessarily has to be, but then I have my sympathies with them, smokers have been having paid breaks to satisfy their habit for long enough. I used to joke that I'd be getting a doctors note stating that I'm a habitual masterbater just so I can go and knock one off **** couple of hours on work time. (The joke doesn't work now I work form home, but then I don't need the doctor's note either :thumbs: )

From my point of view, whenever I hear smokers whinging about 'their right to smoke' all I can think of is other people's rights not to be smoked upon. I've no problem with people smoking at home, but I would love to see a total ban on smoking in public.
 
Lets not forget, the smoking ban wasn't introduced for the good of our health. It was brought in to save the massive insurance claims by - 'injured in the workplace'.

Then of course the fascist busybodies couldn't contain their dictators rights and have now continued their quest for another absurd intrusion into others personal lives.

This smoking ban directive was also supposed to be Europe wide. But in Spain a smoker can choose between smoking or non smoking bars/restaurants - the busiest ones are always the smoking ones - Full of non smokers too. :D
Whereas the UK bars have seen trade plummet and many have closed despite the pledges from non smokers to fill the pubs with their half pints of lemonade shandies trade which didn't materialise.

b****r all to do with health. If it was a genuine 'the nation's health issue', petrol and diesel motor vehicles would also have been banned.
 
well, i suppose if you were a smoker, and concerned for your kids health, you wouldnt smoke near em anyway.
as far as being legaly enforceable. hah.
if gov.co.uk were so concerned about the nations health, they'd ban smoking altogether.
but then where would they get all that tax from to fund the NHS?

please tell me i can still fart in my car, when i'm giving the kids a lift.
i have to have some pleasures in life.
 
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I wonder how much of our tax money goes on treating those with smoking related illnesses.
 
:lol::lol::lol:........:thumbs:
 
KayJay said:
I wonder how much of our tax money goes on treating those with smoking related illnesses.
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Or those who are overweight? Those who drink too much and fill A&E up?,Those who drive too fast?.......The list is endless.
 
fracster said:
Or those who are overweight? Those who drink too much and fill A&E up?,Those who drive too fast?.......The list is endless.
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Alcohol abuse, speeding and obesity. I dislike them all.
 
mercedes said:
b****r all to do with health. If it was a genuine 'the nation's health issue', petrol and diesel motor vehicles would also have been banned.
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They probably will be clamped down once other technologies are more readily available. Will you be smoking a piece of electrical cable?

Not a great analogy.
 
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