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Am I the only one who feels this thread has run its course.
 
Phil V said:
The kind of debate that had most of the country backing the Iraq invasion, that you all quickly tired of and now call Blairs illegal war.
I'll bet I can pick out a few people on this forum who would have said not to go into there, and it's easy to spot those who would have considered it a great idea. Jeez, it's not like we have to have a degree in History to understand. This is quite simple.

Steve's idea of a future Britain is vastly different to the one I want, because we are both looking at a different present and see different things that need fixing.
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The US and UK will say it was legal due to earlier resolutions from the first Gulf War and other people will argue it was illegal. All that is very much after the fact though and doesn't change anything. ISIS are the credible threat to the region right now. That's why you have Iran, Hezbollah, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE etc all involved in trying to stop them.
 
ST4 said:
No.
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Well you wouldn't would you. Argue your ill conceived thought process on how we are all going to be somehow turned into Muslims as much as you like, over and over and over and over...etc.
 
munch said:
Am I the only one who feels this thread has run its course.
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ST4 said:
No.
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Then I'm sure the answer is for you to simply not participate any further in the thread.

It's been, and continues to be, a very interesting thread.

No reason to try to get it locked simply because you've had your fill.
 
Phil V said:
That's where the anger overshadows reason. What people say they want and what they will settle for are different things entirely. You know that, history has proved it, but your hatred clouds your judgement, it's common enough so don't feel bad.
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How can you reason with those that are hell bent on destroying and killing western people. Why would you want to appease that rather than smash them to oblivion.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Well you wouldn't would you. Argue your ill conceived thought process on how we are all going to be somehow turned into Muslims as much as you like, over and over and over and over...etc.
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I'd consider Steve's viewpoint stemming from a patriotic sense of being strongly committed to British values and the adoption of those values by others and very scathing of any form of Balkanisation in the UK whether it be political or religious. The arguments can come across a bit blunter written down on here than if we were all sitting in a pub conversing where we could gauge tone, body language etc. I think coming up to the election you'll see a lot more strong and distinctive opinions like Steve's being communicated in the media. People really are waking up to what they perceive is happening in the country now.
 
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I'd consider Steve's viewpoint stemming from a patriotic sense of being strongly committed to British values and the adoption of those values by others and very scathing of any form of Balkanisation in the UK whether it be political or religious. The arguments can come across a bit blunter written down on here than if we were all sitting in a pub conversing where we could gauge tone, body language etc. I think coming up to the election you'll see a lot more strong and distinctive opinions like Steve's being communicated in the media. People really are waking up to what they perceive is happening in the country now.
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Quite. Those reporting in the media are more likely to have some facts to report though.
 
viv1969 said:
Then I'm sure the answer is for you to simply not participate any further in the thread.

It's been, and continues to be, a very interesting thread.

No reason to try to get it locked simply because you've had your fill.
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If I know Steve as well as I think I do he has shown off his predilection for disagreeing with a post without actually reading it or understanding it....
 
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munch said:
Am I the only one who feels this thread has run its course.
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No. It's fun. We have different opinions on things and are able to discuss them. What's wrong with that?

Rapscallion said:
If I know Steve as well as I think I do he has shown off his predilection for disagreeing with a post without actually reading it or understanding what it....
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Lets give him a test then. 5 + 5 is 10.


Steve.
 
ST4 said:
How can you reason with those that are hell bent on destroying and killing western people. Why would you want to appease that rather than smash them to oblivion.
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You see 'appease or smash', you're also hung up on rhetoric because it suits your world view, no matter how ridiculous the premise.
It's obvious that you will never understand why other people might have a more considered intelligent approach.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
It may well be 10 under British rule. Im sure all that will change when we are all ruled with an iron sharia fist!
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Those aren't ARAB NUMERALS. AAAAARGGH How dare they come over here and tell us how to add up.
 
ST4 said:
I've posted lots of links and facts but because they don't fit with your liberal vision you've dismissed them.

Don't say you haven't been warned
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No, you've posted links to lots of sensationalist stories from corners of the media which have no credibility to any of the people who disagree with you.
 
As it stands I make it:

Pragmatic realists - 1
Pinko, leftie, champagne socialists - 0 (due to several red cards for pathetic attempts at sarcasm and infantile put downs).

There is however the possibility of extra time.:cool:
 
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ST4 said:
I've posted lots of links and facts but because they don't fit with your liberal vision you've dismissed them.

Don't say you haven't been warned
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Links to Daily Mail articles. You lead such an insular existence, tvat you have no life experiences to back up any of the crap you are spouting.
 
big soft moose said:
wheras you have an inside track to what MI5 are thinking ? :confused:
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It is pointless asking questions where you know you'll never get an answer. A waste of a question opportunity ;)

big soft moose said:
Theres been a constant terror threat since the 80s (or before) first it was the marxists, then the irish, then muslim extremists, plus the far right and the far left are always an option and so on - so yes there's a 'potential' risk but stating that we are "under attack" is hysterical hyperbole - personally I refuse to live in fear when in practice there is a far higher risk of being hit by a car or dying of heart disease etc.
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A few mixed up messages in there. The Irish threat still remains, although it is less so than the Islamist threat. A potential risk is always there anyway, however the threat levels are raised and are currently one below the maximum level in the UK. If you witness and pay attention to certain potential targets you can witness significant increased security protocol.

That doesn't mean one has to live in fear. I know I don't.
 
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ST4 said:
Yes. It's all made up by skinheads. It's all lies. It's all made up.

Head and sand. I can do no more.
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You can't. Back to one of my earlier posts.
You don't even understand how ridiculous the DM headline was about the government not knowing how many illegal immigrants are in the country. Honestly, if that doesn't compute as ridiculous there is no point in trying to understand the difference between 'media hype' and 'facts'.





here's the answer... no-one could possibly know or guess how many illegal immigrants are here, because if we knew how many were here we would be rounding them up, they don't jump up and down to be recognised, they're here illegally and so have to hide from the system. So of course the sentence is true. But by the same token it's a ridiculous point that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would see as a joke.
 
Phil V said:
You're entitled to disagree. But I lived through the state sanctioned violence that destroyed industry in the North of England and have watched those devastated communities struggle through the aftermath. The monetarist answer was that it didn't matter, because we could make the City a nice place for foreign dealers to do business and as long as the balance of payments was OK, unemployment was worth it (we saw the end result of that in 2007). When you've seen the police hunt down ordinary working class people who just wanted the right to work beat them and invent charges to lock them up, it gives you a different perspective on the Tory ethos.

ex council estates are not full of Champagne socialists - they're full of right of centre UKIP supporters, who managed to struggle through with state help and now think everyone else should do the same (but without the help). FFS I do wonder if some people here ever speak to actual human beings.
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Really appreciate that I am entitled to disagree. That is very kind of you indeed. And I do disagree. 30 years on people still blame Baroness Thatcher, to me that is just unbelievable. Why not take some personal responsibility and move on. The right to work wasn't taken away at all, but you got to move on. The work environment will change. Subway makes those business decisions, if it isn't economically viable then there is no point in keep on serving pork when nobody is buying it. Socialism and state sponsored industry doesn't work. Too many examples of those failing, or worse in my opinion where there unfair competition puts other businesses out of business.

I was about to say sorry, but you know what I am not sorry and wouldn't know why to begin a sentence like that other than it being an English this. Thatcher is dead, she hasn't been in power for nearly thirty years. Labour has had thirteen consecutive years to move things around but instead merely went on a spending spree and extended the credit card. And yet again the Tories had to come to the rescue. All indicators are that the UK is doing relatively well, but no people complain. What I really live in fear of is that labour gets voted in again and once again ruins a good run.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Links to Daily Mail articles. You lead such an insular existence, tvat you have no life experiences to back up any of the crap you are spouting.
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"Tvat" is the "v" a "w" or a "h"

I've backed my views up with evidence, you just with mockery and abuse.

Others seem to share my view, perhaps I'm not alone.

Are you going to insult them, or just me.

Can you also please explain with factual evidence how my life is insular.

Because I don't strut around with tatoos on my face, go to metal concerts, I don't own a dog? If I did those things would I become a man of the world in your liberal pinko tainted specs view of the world?
 
Don't worry about it @ST4 I imagine the bullies like that super overweight in s stained vest top sitting on their lonely kitchen table eating from a tin of baked beans. Imagine gluttony scene from Seven. I bet he has really a Canon :p
 
dejongj said:
Don't worry about it @ST4 I imagine the bullies like that super overweight in s stained vest top sitting on their lonely kitchen table eating from a tin of baked beans. Imagine gluttony scene from Seven. I bet he has really a Canon :p
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I don't. I'm off to see my mate. He's from India by descent, btw. He's as British as they come in outlook and in life. He loves this country more than me.
 
ST4 said:
"Tvat" is the "v" a "w" or a "h"
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Nice bit of irrelevant grammatical pedantry from one whose own posts sometimes defy literacy. :rolleyes:
 
ST4 said:
"Tvat" is the v a w or h?

I've backed my views up with evidence, you just with mockery and abuse.


Others seem to share my view, perhaps I'm not alone.

Are you going to insult them, or just me.

Can you also please explain with factual evidence how my life is insular.

Because I don't strut around with tatoos on my face, go to metal concerts, I don't own a dog? If I did those things would I become a man of the world in your liberal pinko tainted specs view of the world?
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Wow, well done for pulling me up on a typo. You must be very pleased with yourself.

What factual evidence have you backed up your hysteria with exactly. Id love to see it.

Maybe I should have been clearer, so apologies. The fact that you appear to have a very blinkered view on the world around you, would suggest to me that you lead an insular life. Ok?

Your last paragraph is quite frankly laughable. You never answered me when I asked it before, earlier on in the thread, but why do you use those things as an example of how to become a "man of the world"? I dont have tattoos on my face. I do go to metal concerts because I enjoy the music and social aspect (friends, in case you're not familiar). Yes I do own a dog...a very dangerous Muslim Rottweiler. I also have a family of my own, have travelled extensively, experienced numerous cultures across the world, and have many friends and wonderful memories from those places ive visited. I believe all this has helped shape me into a well rounded individual.

Anyway, enough about me. Whats your favourite colour?
 
big soft moose said:
wheras you have an inside track to what MI5 are thinking ? :confused:

Theres been a constant terror threat since the 80s (or before) first it was the marxists, then the irish, then muslim extremists, plus the far right and the far left are always an option and so on - so yes there's a 'potential' risk but stating that we are "under attack" is hysterical hyperbole - personally I refuse to live in fear when in practice there is a far higher risk of being hit by a car or dying of heart disease etc.
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We know it from Andrew Parker, the director-general of MI5 giving evidence to MPs on the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament in 2013 saying things like:

  • ‘Terrorist-related arrests are up 35 per cent compared with four years ago. Since 2010, more than 140 individuals have been convicted for terrorist-related offences’.
  • ‘Strikingly, working with our partners, we have stopped three UK terrorist plots in recent months alone. Deaths would certainly have resulted otherwise. But we cannot be complacent. Although we and our partners try our utmost we know that we cannot hope to stop everything’
  • ISIS were: ‘Trying to direct terrorist attacks in the UK and elsewhere from Syria, using violent extremists here as their instruments…and seeking through propaganda to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here.’
There have been 34 terror plots thwarted in the UK since the 7/7 bombings according to Andrew Parker. One or two of them aimed for mass casualties. George Osborne this month provided the security services with a £100 million anti-terror fund to track British lone-wolf terrorists and said MI5 and MI6 would get 'all the resources and all the legislation' to try to stop attacks in the UK. So they are taking this about as seriously as it can get.
 
dejongj said:
Really appreciate that I am entitled to disagree. That is very kind of you indeed. And I do disagree. 30 years on people still blame Baroness Thatcher, to me that is just unbelievable. Why not take some personal responsibility and move on. The right to work wasn't taken away at all, but you got to move on. The work environment will change. Subway makes those business decisions, if it isn't economically viable then there is no point in keep on serving pork when nobody is buying it. Socialism and state sponsored industry doesn't work. Too many examples of those failing, or worse in my opinion where there unfair competition puts other businesses out of business.

I was about to say sorry, but you know what I am not sorry and wouldn't know why to begin a sentence like that other than it being an English this. Thatcher is dead, she hasn't been in power for nearly thirty years. Labour has had thirteen consecutive years to move things around but instead merely went on a spending spree and extended the credit card. And yet again the Tories had to come to the rescue. All indicators are that the UK is doing relatively well, but no people complain. What I really live in fear of is that labour gets voted in again and once again ruins a good run.
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Well, we disagree on about every point of that. The Tory press keep telling you that the Labour spending spree is what broke the economy, but it was doing fine till the banks needed bailing out (by every measure). We can't blame the banks so....
Labour didn't extend the credit of this country for any socialist agenda. It has long since dropped that, as I posted pages ago, New Labour are the greatest legacy of that evil witch. A Labour government would have done something about social justice, that lot never did. A Labour government would never have embarked on Americas crazy war in the middle east etc etc. The New Labour government made some small moves in the right direction, but not enough to significantly change the course we've been on for 30+ years. The 'deficit' is a smokescreen and nothing compared to the debt we all carry as the price of Thatchers housing boom, designed to inflate the economy and make us all believe we have achieved something.
 
dejongj said:
Don't worry about it @ST4 I imagine the bullies like that super overweight in s stained vest top sitting on their lonely kitchen table eating from a tin of baked beans. Imagine gluttony scene from Seven. I bet he has really a Canon :p
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Just seen this. Was this was aimed at me?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Wow, well done for pulling me up on a typo. You must be very pleased with yourself.

What factual evidence have you backed up your hysteria with exactly. Id love to see it.

Maybe I should have been clearer, so apologies. The fact that you appear to have a very blinkered view on the world around you, would suggest to me that you lead an insular life. Ok?

Your last paragraph is quite frankly laughable. You never answered me when I asked it before, earlier on in the thread, but why do you use those things as an example of how to become a "man of the world"? I dont have tattoos on my face. I do go to metal concerts because I enjoy the music and social aspect (friends, in case you're not familiar). Yes I do own a dog...a very dangerous Muslim Rottweiler. I also have a family of my own, have travelled extensively, experienced numerous cultures across the world, and have many friends and wonderful memories from those places ive visited. I believe all this has helped shape me into a well rounded individual.

Anyway, enough about me. Whats your favourite colour?
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That's wonderful. Has everyone else who's agreed with me also blinkered in your eyes, perhaps you think people who don't share your views are blinkered? You've based your view on me, with regards to my views on what, not wanting to see the country I belong over run with Islam. Gee...gosh. Wow.

How is your dog Muslim? Does pray at mosques? I have to ask :)

My favourite colour is blue.
 
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