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ST4 said:
I'd wager the store appeals to British entnicity more but still it caters (not just in a few stores) but 200 all accross the UK to change their menue to a Muslim pleasing one.

Seems odd?
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It is a simple business decision though. Most non Muslims couldn't care less how their meat was killed. And most of their muslim customers do care. So why not simplify your business by limiting the perishable supplies, handling etc and cost such that you make a better margin. If, and I think it is a big IF, they loose a few customers then it will still be financially worth it.
 
ST4 said:
I like western customs, western ways. If I wanted to live under Islam I'd move to an established Muslim one. I don't want to see militant nut jobs spread it here and I feel if those here don't like western life, they should leave/be made to leave and never come back
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The problem with that is that people that are born and raised here are EVERY BIT AS British as you. You might stomp your feet and put your little fingers in your ears yelling 'NANANANA CAN'T HEAR YOU' but it's true.

Therefore, they shouldn't have to leave and it would be illegal rendition to force them to.
 
I have a genuine question for @ST4

My mother is Greek. My father is British. Growing up I spent my summers in Athens and the rest of the year hear for school. My favourite food in the while world is wrapped pork gyros. I would genuinely like to see every single fish and chip shop the length and breadth of this country replaced by a gyros stand/souvlaki shop.

Wiothout moving your own goalposts, are my views seen as incompatible with 'British values' and should I be forced to renounce my British passport and move to Greece?
 
Apologies for the typos in the above post. I have just got a new phone and I'm still getting used to the Android keyboard intricacies.
 
ST4 said:
Surely no areas in Britain are 99.9% Islam,

Didn't someone spout off there are only a few areas over 50% Muslim. Why would a company need to change its policy for 200 outlets accross the UK unless that figure is very false? Less than 10% of the populatiuon and it makes business sense to change the policies of stores accross the whole of the UK. Less than 10% my backside, or unless they are scared of the particularly vociferous minority of people here that practice islam...

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Yeah but if you're going to use the figures then please note those stats are for the UK population overall. You need to drill down into specific areas so localised hotspots of various populations living together and always has been. How about Footballers in the Cheshire golden triangle, when I was growing up it was, Jews in Golders Green, Palmers Green was mostly greek with asian areas.

Even in Swindon we've 500 ex Gurka families living in a few streets together, sikhs living in others (and built a beautiful temple - always good for a visit, they like to feed you :) ), we've polish communities, then certain working class areas and middle class areas.

Subway are a franchise, it's down to the franchisee to decide local policy to a certain point.
 
PMK said:
I have no issues with these communities at all, of course I don't, but they have not abided by what you would class as 'British' customs.
Have you visited Chinatown in London? Schools, churches, supermarkets - even the HSBC bank is Chinese.
Stamford Hill - the same - Orthodox Jewish community.

These cultures have spread and are established. You must live in a very remote place if you're not aware of other cultures that isn't 'born and bred British' existing, and have existed for years, in this country.
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Are you telling us that the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation is Chinese? That's disgusting!
 
neil_g said:
its good business sense to increase the sale of what already sells and decrease the surplus stock of what doesn't. it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with islamification (thats not even a word by the way).

personally i dont care about halal. the last 30 seconds of an animals life are pretty insignificant when the outcome is the same (death). plus there are some dodgy practicing abattoirs out there doing it the "normal" way, so don't tell me one method is crueler than the other.
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The Independent had an article about The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html

The RSPCA wants changes in the law to improve animal welfare at slaughter. The Farm Animal Welfare Committee concluded in their report:

"Slaughter without pre-stunning is unacceptable and that the Government should repeal the current exemption”

To give it some balance and not just singling one religion out that includes Shechita (Jewish) and Halal (Muslim) customs of killing without pre-stunning.
 
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ST4 said:
Would you not wish to do everything possible now, to avoid living by Sharia law. I know I would.
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No, not by the means you are suggesting, which seems to be violent or aggressive protest on a forum. Seriously Steve, how do you think your comments appear compared to the hate clerics you despise? From a British viewpoint you're about one step away.
 
norters said:
I have a genuine question for @ST4

My mother is Greek. My father is British. Growing up I spent my summers in Athens and the rest of the year hear for school. My favourite food in the while world is wrapped pork gyros. I would genuinely like to see every single fish and chip shop the length and breadth of this country replaced by a gyros stand/souvlaki shop.

Wiothout moving your own goalposts, are my views seen as incompatible with 'British values' and should I be forced to renounce my British passport and move to Greece?
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Pork Gyros are fine. I love them and I frequent a greek restaurant most days. However, to answer your question if you felt that strongly about the food within Britain, you might well be happier in Greece. If you were not content with having Pitos Giros where you can get them, but wished for this to replace established British cuisine (which there mere presence of upsets you) I'd say yes, leave and go to Greece.

However, as we have a lot greek food and restaurants here already that is an extreme view. Moreover you don't see the Greeks taking over, usurping traditional British restaurants and them complaining about our education, seeing us as infidels etc and interfering with British people going about their customs. No, they serve their food to who comes into the restaurants etc but don't try and convert me to Orthodox or proclaim I must only eat greek food.

Actually no other group other than Islam seems to have issues integrating here.
 
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boyfalldown said:
despite being born and bred here I think my life is richer for the country being a melting pot of different cultures. For the most part embracing or atleast tolerating each other. I think life would be considerably poorer without that multicultrualism. Don't you?
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Indian food and weddings, both brilliant colourful, spicey delights.

I'm really enjoying travelling at the moment. We tend to go completely off piste, travelling around, meeting ordinary people, chatting about cultures, food, religion, life in general. Gives you a wide varied look on life and whilst I've enjoyed travelling abroad, I can almost get the same experiences at home, especially in London. Really interesting. Walk a mile in anothers shoes.
 
norters said:
I have a genuine question for @ST4

My mother is Greek. My father is British. Growing up I spent my summers in Athens and the rest of the year hear for school. My favourite food in the while world is wrapped pork gyros. I would genuinely like to see every single fish and chip shop the length and breadth of this country replaced by a gyros stand/souvlaki shop.

Wiothout moving your own goalposts, are my views seen as incompatible with 'British values' and should I be forced to renounce my British passport and move to Greece?
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Drool Gyros. With or without chips?
 
But @ST4

Am I British if I want those things?

Also, you despise alcohol. So surely your views on that subject are incompatible with the vast, vast majority of the British public. Should we demand you move to a dry country?
 
Laudrup said:
The Independent had an article about The Islamification of Britain: record numbers embrace Muslim faith:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ord-numbers-embrace-muslim-faith-2175178.html

didnt come up in my dictionary of choice, a newspaper using it doesnt mean its a valid word ;)

The RSPCA wants changes in the law to improve animal welfare at slaughter. The Farm Animal Welfare Committee concluded in their report:

"Slaughter without pre-stunning is unacceptable and that the Government should repeal the current exemption”

To give it some balance and not just singling one religion out that includes Shechita (Jewish) and Halal (Muslim) customs of killing without pre-stunning.
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im sure they do, but apparently (i forget where i read it) most muslims (at least UK muslims) do not care whether or not the animal is stunned first anyway as to whether its classed as halal. i seem to remember subway stating theirs was stunned first anyway.
 
Byker28i said:
Drool Gyros. With or without chips?
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Both are good, prefer without. I love them. Imagine going to live and Greece en mass and deciding they weren't to your minority tastes and should be replaced with fish and chips. Imagine going there and saying the education isn't english enough and complaining about that...

I wouldn't have the nerve.
 
im going home now so before this gets locked i want to drop this now..

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norters said:
But @ST4

Am I British if I want those things?

Also, you despise alcohol. So surely your views on that subject are incompatible with the vast, vast majority of the British public. Should we demand you move to a dry country?
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I do despise it. I've thought about moving to a dry one, but they are all Islamic ones. Lesser of two evils I choose between. I'd have loved America in the 1920's.
 
norters said:
I have a genuine question for @ST4

My mother is Greek. My father is British. Growing up I spent my summers in Athens and the rest of the year hear for school. My favourite food in the while world is wrapped pork gyros. I would genuinely like to see every single fish and chip shop the length and breadth of this country replaced by a gyros stand/souvlaki shop.

Wiothout moving your own goalposts, are my views seen as incompatible with 'British values' and should I be forced to renounce my British passport and move to Greece?
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I vote for that, with a nuance. I would like to see it as an addition to the menu rather than replacing it. And whilst we are at it, let's add a proper Shoarma to it as well.

Gladly would see the back of a donner kebab though.
 
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neil_g said:
im going home now so before this gets locked i want to drop this now..

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May I suggest you loose a bit a weight. That hat is about to strangle you :p
 
ST4 said:
I do despise it. I've thought about moving to a dry one, but they are all Islamic ones. .
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I think this should be the closing post ROFLMAO
 
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ST4 said:
I do despise it. I've thought about moving to a dry one, but they are all Islamic ones. Lesser of two evils I choose between. I'd have loved America in the 1920's.
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I'm sure you would love it in an Islamic country though. No alcohol unless, you know, you want to buy some and then you can with no problem whatsoever. They also have a cavalier attitude to road safety and they don't like dogs!

I'm more surprised that you haven't already gone to live in the middle east already to be honest!
 
neil_g said:
thats the thing, if 99.9% of their customers want halal and/or nobody is picking the pork for their sub then the business will change.

its not rocket science, supply and demand 101.
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dejongj said:
Fully agree. A business is a commercial entity and I'm confident they know much better than what any of us on here thinks their customers want.

No different than many supermarkets which have lines relevant to the area that they are in.

Btw they'll still do their foot long meatball chilli cheese melt :) yum yum
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I don't disagree with supply and demand. Supermarkets regularly change their ranges, but they can do that without products being banned, and so can subway.
 
norters said:
I'm sure you would love it in an Islamic country though. No alcohol unless, you know, you want to buy some and then you can with no problem whatsoever. They also have a cavalier attitude to road safety and they don't like dogs!

I'm more surprised that you haven't already gone to live in the middle east already to be honest!
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Sounds good, I'd probably love it when you paint it like that. But the language, strict religious culture and laws around that religion would put me off more than the allure of bribing my way out of 140mph driving, and not having to see drunkards or dogs.
 
ST4 said:
Sounds good, I'd probably love it when you paint it like that. But the language, strict religious culture and laws around that religion would put me off more than the allure of bribing my way out of 140mph driving, and not having to see drunkards or dogs.
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You have it all wrong. None of that except for the language would apply to you. You would be able to carry on your life as you live it in this country just somewhere dead hot with dust storms. The religious laws don't apply to you. You can drink, eat and buy pork, even go to church. A good friend of mine works in Qatar and reports back to me on these issues.
 
norters said:
You have it all wrong. None of that except for the language would apply to you. You would be able to carry on your life as you live it in this country just somewhere dead hot with dust storms. The religious laws don't apply to you. You can drink, eat and buy pork, even go to church. A good friend of mine works in Qatar and reports back to me on these issues.
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I'd struggle a lot with the language - seems a bit rude to live abroad and not learn the language of the people who live there. Yet a lot come here and do bother to learn English, a minority of them try to destroy/kill us.

Out of who from Britain who goes to live in a Muslim country do that?

Phil V said:
Who would happily settle in a foreign land but he can't be arsed to learn the language...

You couldn't make it up.
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Huh?
 
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ST4 said:
Yes, because Sharia law, Ramadan, Halal, arranged marriages, extremist fanatics is all what I want here...not...
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Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. The evidence is there
 
ST4 said:
Ok just British people with British customs. Jeez.

Do you wish to see Islam grow and its customs spill into everyones life here. Yes or no?
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That's a bit rich coming from someone who finds it impossible to answer a simple question.
 
I have another question for @ST4

Apart from moaning about the weather and queueing up, could you please make a list of British values for me?
 
norters said:
I have another question for @ST4

Apart from moaning about the weather and queueing up, could you please make a list of British values for me?
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Christianity
Fox hunting
Sunday Lunch
Freedom of speech
Freedom from oppression
Equal rights for men and women
Grouse shooting
pheasant shooting
voting
taxing the rich heniously
Speeding and complaining about getting caught
voting conservative...


Just all off my top of the head...
 
ST4 said:
Christianity
Fox hunting
Sunday Lunch
Freedom of speech
Freedom from oppression
Equal rights for men and women
Grouse shooting
pheasant shooting
voting
taxing the rich heniously
Speeding and complaining about getting caught
voting conservative...


Just all off my top of the head...
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We've a fox hunt happening up with us shortly. Might pop along to bag a few leftie, unwashed saboteurs what what:cool::)
 
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Fox hunting a British value? Honestly? That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?

What about equal rights for the LGBT community? Freedom of worship?
 
ST4 said:
Christianity
Fox hunting
Sunday Lunch
Freedom of speech
Freedom from oppression
Equal rights for men and women
Grouse shooting
pheasant shooting
voting
taxing the rich heniously
Speeding and complaining about getting caught
voting conservative...


Just all off my top of the head...
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Many of those are activities not values :)
 
norters said:
Fox hunting a British value? Honestly? That's a bit of a stretch isn't it?

What about equal rights for the LGBT community? Freedom of worship?
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I just listed some off the top of my head. LGBT, yeah sure they get the equal rights as do men/women and no race discrimination.

Freedom of worship is one, but blowing people up and conspiring to murder isn't....
 
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