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To be fair, it isn't such a ridiculous notion as some of you make ST4 out to be. There have been discussions in parliament and preparation of bills to make certain individuals stateless by revoking their passport and associated citizenship.

Fair enough there is a bit of dramatisation in the statements being made, but it seems that both sides of the discussion are getting rather over excited and are in danger of just point scoring opposed to trying to listen what the other person is actually saying.
 
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ST4 said:
Well, we bloody well should...
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ST4 said:
And you have two ears, two eyes and one mouth, Use these two eyes, two ears and have a good look at what is happening to Britain and where we are headed if we don't take some action to keep the Islamic situation in check. It should be tolerated, but not accommodated and those that cannot accept that should leave Britain.
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Yes, and Ive used all of those to help me get by, wherever ive been. Ive used my mouth to speak to Muslims...quite a lot of Muslims actually (as well as people from lots of different backgrounds) whether that was in this country, or when ive been travelling. All of this has made it easier for me to have some perspective, and not label everyone with the same sh***y stick as you seem all too willing to do.
 
ST4 said:
You just do, or get them on treason. New laws need passed to deal with the threat from within to life as we know it in Britain.
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Be honest Steve....Did you stamp your feet and suck your thumb whilst typing that?
 
Without trying to answer some of the misguided stuff being posted on here I can only speak as I find
all of the Muslim/ Asian people that I've come across have been decent people
Where I worked previously I worked with a mix of races and they were all decent hardworking folks
 
ST4 said:
It doesn't matter, not to me. If people who are born here despise the country they live in and the customs/culture of that country then they should leave.

Read my post on guests/hosts.
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Well, you seem to misunderstand your own point then. Seriously, tell me...if they were born in England, how are they 'guests' here?
 
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but it seems that both sides of the discussion are getting rather over excited and are in danger of just point scoring opposed to trying to listen what the other person is actually saying.
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Absolutely, and TBH we the staff, are starting to get fed up with the myriad of RTM's
from both camps accusing the "other side" of trolling.
Its a great discussion but I fear if it continues in the same vein,
It won't live to fight another day.
 
dejongj said:
To be fair, it isn't such a ridiculous notion as some of you make ST4 out to be. There have been discussions in parliament and preparation of bills to make certain individuals stateless by revoking their passport and associated citizenship.

Fair enough there is a bit of dramatisation in the statements being made, but it seems that both sides of the discussion are getting rather over excited and are in danger of just point scoring opposed to trying to listen what the other person is actually saying.
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Exactly, but the smug "lefties" like to post rhetoric etc. Maybe its just me. Maybe my pig avatar offends them.

However, when people (extremists) pose such danger to our way of life and life itself, it matters not where they are born but what they wish to do in their life to the established lives and customs of others. Like my analogy of the burdensome house guest, at what stage do you say enough...when they ask for sugar with their coffee, no, When they ask for embroided silk linen and for you to not watch BBC because they like sky in your own home. Yes.
 
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ST4 said:
It has everything to do with it.
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You can keep saying that Steve, but it doesnt make it true. If I visit a country on holiday, for example, and I really love the place, the culture, language, traditions and everyday 'ways' of the locals, and i then do my best to fit in while I am there, the fact remains that I am a guest in that country. I wasnt born there.

So your argument is ridiculous.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
You can keep saying that Steve, but it doesnt make it true. If I visit a country on holiday, for example, and I really love the place, the culture, language, traditions and everyday 'ways' of the locals, and i then do my best to fit in while I am there, the fact remains that I am a guest in that country. I wasnt born there.

So your argument is ridiculous.
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My mate was born in Saudi, but has lived over here his entire life when his folks worked in oil in saudi he was born there, by the time he was 3 he was in Britain.

He went back to work there, he was treated very much as a guest. Place of birth isn't everything. Another pal of mine was born in Spain, lived out there for 10yrs but she is not spanish, but british, her parents are british and they lived/worked out there. She is a guest there, her roots and home country is here.
 
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You can keep saying that Steve, but it doesnt make it true. If I visit a country on holiday, for example, and I really love the place, the culture, language, traditions and everyday 'ways' of the locals, and i then do my best to fit in while I am there, the fact remains that I am a guest in that country. I wasnt born there.

So your argument is ridiculous.
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And that is fair enough, I hope we all exhibit such courtesy. I know I do.

However now imagine you like it so much and you settle there and start your family. It is not unusual to enjoy both current country, and keep a foot into cultural habits from the old country. Over several generations that remains with the family with its habits and cultures. Ideally that would bring the best of both and improves everything. However there is also a danger that over time those customs will change exactly that what you liked and all those generations ago came here for.

Change doesn't have to be bad, however it is that exact behaviour that many people are concerned about. It is something that creeps in.

I liken it with voluntary aided schools and their selection criteria. All the time you hear these conversations that they should be more inclusive and allow others in. Often reasons are provided that they are such good schools and get good results. Yet when they come in they don't want to participate as it may not be their faith, they don't agree with the dress code etc. that will chip against that exact fabric what made it so good in the first place.

It's a tough one.
 
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And you are talking about the experiences of one person. He may well have been treated as a guest, but I would assume that he had completely integrated into British life long before going back there.
 
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And you are talking about the experiences of one person. He may well have been treated as a guest, but I would assume that he had completely integrated into British life long before going back there.
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And many of those born here have completely failed to integrate to British life and worse still seek to destroy it, which is why IMHO they would be happier elsewhere.
 



Right found it now in a multi quote for some reason I didn't see the alert flag.

So, it was a guess albeit an educated one so you say because you have spoken to some muslims. You demand evidence of truth yet randomly quote a guestimate figure without substantiated evidence to back it up because you formed an opinion having spoken to some folk. Ain't that the same sort of scenario I'm accused of? Oh it must be ok for you to have double standards but not others. You can't have it both ways.
 
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PMK said:
I dont think you should be asking for people to reply, if you don't have the courtesy to.
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Do you actually have something to say or are you just trying to bait me. Either way my interest is waning rather rapidly.
 
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BRASH said:
Right found it now in a multi quote for some reason I didn't see the alerst flag.

So, it was a guess albeit an educated one so you say because you have spoken to some muslims. You demand evidence of truth yet randomly quote a guestimate figure without substantiated evidence to back it up because you formed an opinion having spoken to some folk. Ain't that the same sort of scenario I'm accused of? Oh it must be ok for you to have double standards but not others. You can't have it both ways.
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I haven't demanded anything from you so wind your neck in.
 
BRASH said:
Right found it now in a multi quote for some reason I didn't see the alert flag.

So, it was a guess albeit an educated one so you say because you have spoken to some muslims. You demand evidence of truth yet randomly quote a guestimate figure without substantiated evidence to back it up because you formed an opinion having spoken to some folk. Ain't that the same sort of scenario I'm accused of? Oh it must be ok for you to have double standards but not others. You can't have it both ways.
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So you do accept that you have made allegations that are totally unsubstantiated?
 
fabs said:
I haven't demanded anything from you so wind your neck in.
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You and others did regarding the no go areas. Wind my neck in indeed or what? Is that a treat because you don't like being contradicted?
 
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ST4 said:
And many of those born here have completely failed to integrate to British life and worse still seek to destroy it, which is why IMHO they would be happier elsewhere.
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But this isnt what was being discussed. You are now talking about someone tgat moved here as a child. Im assuming they are happy living a 'British' life? The debate, was about people born here...not about people born elsewhere then moving here.
 
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