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ST4 said:
How is that being thick? It is what is happening here. Halal on British soil is akin to Pork on Saudi soil. Pehraps I should have kids, school them there and protest the education doesn't feature enough christianity in it, its happening here....

I'm back to my concept of guest and host and many of our islamic guests are outstaying their welcome. IMHO.
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Every single fast food chain/restaurant and supermarket could start selling halal meat tomorrow. You wouldn't notice. If it's dead I'll eat it.
 
ST4 said:
How is that being thick? It is what is happening here. Halal on British soil is akin to Pork on Saudi soil. Pehraps I should have kids, school them there and protest the education doesn't feature enough christianity in it, its happening here....
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because last i checked its not illegal to partake in your religion/custom of choice (assuming its not actually breaking the law).

I'm back to my concept of guest and host and many of our islamic guests are outstaying their welcome. IMHO.
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if it was possible for you to go down any further in my estimation you have managed it.
 
ST4 said:
There is none so blind that cannot see. Sorry chap, it is and it is foreseeable what will happen if we lie back and do nothing.
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That's nice dear. Still doesn't make your statement true though does it?
 
ST4 said:
How is that being thick? It is what is happening here. Halal on British soil is akin to Pork on Saudi soil. Pehraps I should have kids, school them there and protest the education doesn't feature enough christianity in it, its happening here....

I'm back to my concept of guest and host and many of our islamic guests are outstaying their welcome. IMHO.
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Never mind Steve, all those with their heads stuck in the sand will get well and truly rogered while they are bent over :D:D
 
neil_g said:
because last i checked its not illegal to partake in your religion/custom of choice (assuming its not actually breaking the law).
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Try propigating our customs in a Muslim country, lets see how you get on. They have a free reign here, we do not there. Guests and hosts...a simple concept.

neil_g said:
if it was possible for you to go down any further in my estimation you have managed it.
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I'm heart broken.
 
ST4 said:
Try propigating our customs in a Muslim country, lets see how you get on. They have a free reign here, we do not there. Guests and hosts...a simple concept..
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Because their laws are religious based, ours are not.

Now, are you going to answer the question in post 721 or not?
 
Some news about Islamists trying to interfere in western customs

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187711/Muslim-bus-drivers-ban-on-guide-dogs

This is the beast we are up against. Blind people being discriminated against by Muslims.

fabs said:
Now, are you going to answer the question in post 721 or not?
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See above. Its not about the numbers, where they are from but what they do once they are here. Back to the concept of guest and host...

and again

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/are-muslims-europe-waging-jihad-against-dogs

If you like dogs prepare for Islamists to try take that part of your western life style away. Bad luck if you are blind, Muslims find them dirty and that is that.
 
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neil_g said:
no but you get my point.
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Actually I don't, the racist card is played so often in these discussions and I think that that actually stops these topics being discussed properly. Obviously actual racist comments and behaviour is not acceptable. However discussion if you can't discuss Islamification without the fear of being branded a racist it will be a problem. I'm certain one of the root causes that will be uncovered as part of the Rotherham review etc. It is clear there is an issue, if the issue can't be discussed as adults without immediately labelling other people than there is no hope.

And yes in that process some unfortunate constructed explanations will happen, like earlier in the thread, but getting all uppity about it immediately doesn't help.
 
ST4 said:
Some news about Islamists trying to interfere in western customs

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187711/Muslim-bus-drivers-ban-on-guide-dogs

This is the beast we are up against. Blind people being discriminated against by Muslims.



See above. Its not about the numbers, where they are from but what they do once they are here. Back to the concept of guest and host...

and again

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/are-muslims-europe-waging-jihad-against-dogs

If you like dogs prepare for Islamists to try take that part of your western life style away. Bad luck if you are blind, Muslims find them dirty and that is that.
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So some k******d bus drivers act like dicks. I'm going to take a big leap here and say that this is not really evidence of a SCARY MUSLIM TAKEOVER.
 
norters said:
So some k******d bus drivers act like dicks. I'm going to take a big leap here and say that this is not really evidence of a SCARY MUSLIM TAKEOVER.
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Its the demonstration that their ways are very incompatible with ours, and it is us that is suffering from this incompatibility. Dogs are offensive to Muslims, so blind people cannot use guidedogs...

Outrageous.
 
ST4 said:
Some news about Islamists trying to interfere in western customs

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187711/Muslim-bus-drivers-ban-on-guide-dogs

This is the beast we are up against. Blind people being discriminated against by Muslims.



See above. Its not about the numbers, where they are from but what they do once they are here. Back to the concept of guest and host...

and again

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/are-muslims-europe-waging-jihad-against-dogs

If you like dogs prepare for Islamists to try take that part of your western life style away. Bad luck if you are blind, Muslims find them dirty and that is that.
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Ah sorry, I forgot, you think newspaper stories are all non disputable fact.

So, apart from the fact that 2 of those links aren't even to do with Britain, where are the "Islamified" areas in Britain and do you mean areas where muslims live?
 
dejongj said:
Actually I don't, the racist card is played so often in these discussions and I think that that actually stops these topics being discussed properly. Obviously actual racist comments and behaviour is not acceptable. However discussion if you can't discuss Islamification without the fear of being branded a racist it will be a problem. I'm certain one of the root causes that will be uncovered as part of the Rotherham review etc. It is clear there is an issue, if the issue can't be discussed as adults without immediately labelling other people than there is no hope.
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okay maybe it was the wrong word in a knee jerk comment but you think this topic is being discussed reasonably? and yes there are some very "prejudice" people commenting in here.
 
norters said:
Every single fast food chain/restaurant and supermarket could start selling halal meat tomorrow. You wouldn't notice. If it's dead I'll eat it.
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Whilst I haven't got a particular issue with it, illegal methods and employment aside associated commonly with those abattoirs, you could argue that works both ways. If it stopped pounding, why be concerned about it.

In the grand scheme of things it really should not be a key breaking point.
 
dejongj said:
Whilst I haven't got a particular issue with it, illegal methods and employment aside associated commonly with those abattoirs, you could argue that works both ways. If it stopped pounding, why be concerned about it.

In the grand scheme of things it really should not be a key breaking point.
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A lot of animal right/cruelty prevention types (I'm not one) are very against Halal. Animal cruelty is a big issue to a lot of British people (admittably not me)
 
fabs said:
Ah sorry, I forgot, you think newspaper stories are all non disputable fact.
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So all of these are false and impossible to happen here. This is what is coming

fabs said:
So, apart from the fact that 2 of those links aren't even to do with Britain, where are the "Islamified" areas in Britain and do you mean areas where muslims live?
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Partly, but its the areas where it is predominately Muslim, where there are few British people left and where you are unwelcome...

Hey - they started it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ark-warns-dog-walkers-stay-Islamic-areas.html

Whats wrong with intergrating with the rest of us?
 
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neil_g said:
okay maybe it was the wrong word in a knee jerk comment but you think this topic is being discussed reasonably? and yes there are some very "prejudice" people commenting in here.
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Prejudice, absolutely. However prejudices are there from all angles and from everyone joining in the conversation.

I think the topic has gone all over the place, and where it isn't discussed reasonably is by some big generalisations that aren't followed up (but not necessarily racist) by the poster, and then followed up by the 'lets all attack that poster' mob. It flares up at times like some of the pork fat hits the grills.

I do find it disappointing how there seems to be a tendency to shut down discussions around Islamification, and how that gets linked to racism. The more and more I see these threads and our society I fear for a future with strong religious undertones in law and society interaction. Yet at the same time, they are basically about the same thing and have the same kind of values, but somehow people want to determine how others must live. Change is happening and I can understand the resistance, looking at the big picture I think it will be too late when the general public understands it. Just like everyone loved the Blair years of spend spend spend whilst people were causing the problems themselves...
 
ST4 said:
So all of these are false.



Partly, but its the areas where it is predominately Muslim, where there are few British people left and where you are unwelcome...

Hey - they started it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ark-warns-dog-walkers-stay-Islamic-areas.html

Whats wrong with intergrating with the rest of us?
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Never been to any areas where muslims live and been "unwelcome". Areas that are predominantly muslim still come under British law and still have non muslims living in them.

As for the dog issue, I've asked a number of muslims and the stories in the media about it are so blown out of proportion its unreal. There are some muslims who do feel that dogs are unclean but that just means they wouldn't have them in their home or have direct contact with them when they are out and about (not dissimilar to yourself in this regard).
 
ST4 said:
so because they are not bolshi left wing rags like the Guardian are completely false. None of these events happened except in some tatoo'd skinhead van driving mans eyes...

Aye...right....LOL
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i dont really trust any newspaper, they all have their own agendas but those 2 are certainly a couple of the worst for sensationalist claims.
 
ST4 said:
Halal on British soil is akin to Pork on Saudi soil. .
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What a load of twaddle.
Halal isn't against any British laws or doctrines.
You might not like it, but that's entirely down to you.
Your comparison is laughable.
 
ST4 said:
Some news about Islamists trying to interfere in western customs

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/187711/Muslim-bus-drivers-ban-on-guide-dogs

This is the beast we are up against. Blind people being discriminated against by Muslims.



See above. Its not about the numbers, where they are from but what they do once they are here. Back to the concept of guest and host...

and again

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/are-muslims-europe-waging-jihad-against-dogs

If you like dogs prepare for Islamists to try take that part of your western life style away. Bad luck if you are blind, Muslims find them dirty and that is that.
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Dear God, is the same Gatestone Insitute that rolled out the red carpet for Geert Wilders?

At the April event, Wilders's seamless fusion of anti-Muslim bombast and pro-Israel cant was gratefully received by the Gatestone Institute’s founder and director, Nina Rosenwald, whom he acknowledged at the top of his jeremiad as another of his good friends. An heiress to the Sears Roebuck fortune, Rosenwald spreads her millions through the William Rosenwald Family Fund, a nonprofit foundation named for her father, a famed Jewish philanthropist who created the United Jewish Appeal in 1939. His daughter’s focus is more explicitly political. According to a report by the Center for American Progress titled “Fear Inc.,” Rosenwald and her sister Elizabeth Varet, who also directs the family foundation, have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organizations that fan the flames of Islamophobia.”
Besides funding a Who’s Who of anti-Muslim outfits, Rosenwald has served on the board of AIPAC, the central arm of America’s Israel lobby, and holds leadership roles in a host of mainstream pro-Israel organizations. As groups like AIPAC lead the charge for a US military strike on the Islamic Republic of Iran, threatening to turn apocalyptic visions of civilizational warfare into catastrophic reality, Rosenwald's wealth has fueled a rapidly emerging alliance between the pro-Israel mainstream and the Islamophobic fringe. (In 2003 alone the Rosenwald Family Fund donated well over half of its $1.6 million in total contributions to pro-Israel and Islamophobic organizations.) This alliance serves to sanitize and legitimize professional anti-Muslim bigots like Wilders, allowing their ideas to mingle easily with those of neoconservative foreign policy heavyweights intent on promoting the appearance of a convergence between US and Israeli interests by invoking the specter of a common “Islamofascist” enemy. With Gatestone—which publicizes the writings of figures ranging from pro-Israel super-lawyer Alan Dershowitz to “counter-jihad” propagandist Robert Spencer, and boasts Harold Rhode, a neoconservative former Pentagon official credited, as a senior fellow, with helping to try to push the Bush administration to invade Iraq—Rosenwald has attempted to shift the alliance into overdrive.[1]
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ST4 said:
Whats wrong with intergrating with the rest of us?
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You need reminding that the "us" you talk about it pathetically bad at integrating when overseas. I have lost count of the amount of British ex-pats I met in Spain who can't speak any of the local languages, who live in communities of British people, who buy their Daily Heil every day, who dine on fish and chips etc. So, whilst harping on about people failing to integrate, just remember that the British are just as bad.
 
Rapscallion said:
We can bomb the **** out of the Middle East until every man woman and child wants to kill us all? Yep, seems sensible....
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Nobody serious wants to carpet bomb the whole Middle East. The sectarian violence between Sunni and Shia has them killing each other enough. Until someone comes up with a better solution for dealing with ISIS then bombing them seems the only way to curb their expansionism.
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
You need reminding that the "us" you talk about it pathetically bad at integrating when overseas. I have lost count of the amount of British ex-pats I met in Spain who can't speak any of the local languages, who live in communities of British people, who buy their Daily Heil every day, who dine on fish and chips etc. So, whilst harping on about people failing to integrate, just remember that the British are just as bad.
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And do they proclaim locals as infidels and bellyache their education system isn't english enough, their customs aren't english enough etc. Nor do British people blow up foreign news paper buildings, buses, fly into their buildings in hijacked planes in the name of the archbishop of canterbury...

ghoti said:
Behave.
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I am. Its a perfectly logical point.
 
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Clicked on this thread by accident - it's been going round in circles for ages!

However, I will respond to these 2 posts while I'm here!



Cobra said:
Its all relative, who says a flat earth would be horizontal ;)
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If it was tilted it would fall off the turtle's back.

h14nha said:
Well,
I personally have never seen a 50 year old with a hoodie on, with their jacket collar pulled up hiding no, disguising their face. They are no better than Burka wearing women and I wish it was the police's duty to take a scissors to them..........
My friend had a chip shop. The hoodie wearing kids took over his doorstep and frightened the pensioners from their fish suppers. They felt too intimidated by the kids to go to the shop after dark. ( thats what his customers told him ).
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I'm over 50 and sometimes wear a hoodie with the hood up which does obscure my face from some angles. It also keeps my ears warm. I also have to wear a helmet when I ride my motorbikes and that obscures even more of my face. I don't consider myself any better than "Burkah wearing women" or any other group.
 
fabs said:
Never been to any areas where muslims live and been "unwelcome". Areas that are predominantly muslim still come under British law and still have non muslims living in them.

As for the dog issue, I've asked a number of muslims and the stories in the media about it are so blown out of proportion its unreal. There are some muslims who do feel that dogs are unclean but that just means they wouldn't have them in their home or have direct contact with them when they are out and about (not dissimilar to yourself in this regard).
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There are a few in this thread who really don't like dogs either :)
 
ST4 said:
And do they proclaim locals as infidels and bellyache their education system isn't english enough, their customs aren't english enough etc. Nor do British people blow up foreign news paper buildings, buses, fly into their buildings in hijacked planes in the name of the archbishop of canterbury...

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Oh I see! "They" are all terrorists! How did we all fail to see that.
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