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boyfalldown said:
Its easy to say that. But its a very complex situation. Why not try to understand it. If you don't it'll happen again ansd again.
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Lots of people get very rich by pretending it to be and perpetuating it to be a very complex situation. I'm sure it is all Eve's as going back far enough some bloke slept with a woman. It is all nonsense today and doesn't excuse any kind of killing not justify it.

Stop the violence and killing and it will stop. However people will then find something else to fight or kill about. They all pee and poo, and aren't gods.

Anyone laying blame and resolution for the reasons why Muslims terrorists kill and murder innocent bystanders has got it so wrong. In my opinion of course. Sure people maybe stirring the pot, or whatever; it is never s justification to murder innocents.
 
PMK said:
Interesting which comments you chose to respond to and ignore on this thread.
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Isn't it!

A useful checklist for those making claims in this thread. Please pay particular attention to points 1,2, and 5.

  1. Wherever possible there must be independent confirmation of the “facts.”
  2. Encourage substantive debate on the evidence by knowledgeable proponents of all points of view.
  3. Arguments from authority carry little weight — “authorities” have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts.
  4. Spin more than one hypothesis. If there’s something to be explained, think of all the different ways in which it could be explained. Then think of tests by which you might systematically disprove each of the alternatives. What survives, the hypothesis that resists disproof in this Darwinian selection among “multiple working hypotheses,” has a much better chance of being the right answer than if you had simply run with the first idea that caught your fancy.
  5. Try not to get overly attached to a hypothesis just because it’s yours. It’s only a way station in the pursuit of knowledge. Ask yourself why you like the idea. Compare it fairly with the alternatives. See if you can find reasons for rejecting it. If you don’t, others will.
  6. Quantify. If whatever it is you’re explaining has some measure, some numerical quantity attached to it, you’ll be much better able to discriminate among competing hypotheses. What is vague and qualitative is open to many explanations. Of course there are truths to be sought in the many qualitative issues we are obliged to confront, but finding them is more challenging.
  7. If there’s a chain of argument, every link in the chain must work (including the premise) — not just most of them.
  8. Occam’s Razor. This convenient rule-of-thumb urges us when faced with two hypotheses that explain the data equally well to choose the simpler.
  9. Always ask whether the hypothesis can be, at least in principle, falsified. Propositions that are untestable, unfalsifiable are not worth much. Consider the grand idea that our Universe and everything in it is just an elementary particle — an electron, say — in a much bigger Cosmos. But if we can never acquire information from outside our Universe, is not the idea incapable of disproof? You must be able to check assertions out. Inveterate skeptics must be given the chance to follow your reasoning, to duplicate your experiments and see if they get the same result.
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From The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
 
Phil V said:
Not that I support the creation of an Islamic state, but how do you think all the other states came into existence?

We have landed where we are internationally after along game of musical chairs. It's why my original post was 'how far do you go back to be declared British'? History show us there's no such thing as a fixed national border therefore no National identity. There's just 'what people believe right now'.

It's both a trivial and very serious point. Anglo Saxons IMHO are not British, they're foreign invaders, not peaceful immigrants trying to change from within. Actual bloody battlefield invaders. And the idea that they are somehow a 'race'? The clue is in the name, they were a mix of two races joined together to dominate Europe.

So all you Anglo Saxons pretending to want to protect your country; f*** off back to the European mainland from whence you came and leave my country alone! You look as ridiculous to me as the white American and Australian xenophobes trying to 'curb immigration', with no sense of irony, they're all obviously immigrants to the intelligent onlooker, trying to protect 'their country':ROFLMAO:
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Not by killing and raping people in two sovereign states and claiming you are the religious, political and military authority over all Muslims. That isn't going to work as being recognised as a state or a caliph by anyone but your followers.

I don't think the immigration argument of today has much relevance to the Beaker people or events hundreds of centuries ago. A week is a long time in politics, never mind Anglo-Saxons in the 5th century. I'd favour some sort of Australian points system for selecting people with skills that are needed. That would mean leaving the EU most probably.
 
PMK said:
Haha! Fantastic.
Yes, your ignorance is interesting. And perplexing.
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Very good!

I must truly be Angry, White and Thick.

Actually, I'm only one of the above.
 
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PMK said:
You do realise there were innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghan?
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Unfortunately that is not fully avoidable in a war zone. Any kind of collateral damage is deeply regrettable. Speaking from my Army Infantry background it is not something that you can deal with easily. However it is a war zone. London, Paris, New York, Verbier, etc are not.
 
dejongj said:
And there was me thinking that Bricklane has lost its old charm and is mainly a hipster area these day.

However leaving my Kensington hotel this morning I was greeted by three gorgeous women (judging by their eye makeup) in full burka. Is it just me who imagine what they wear underneath if anything?
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Brick lane itself is very hipster, but good side markets, great food. Whitechapel and tower hamlets are very muslim areas, but also some great turkish delis, asian supermarkets etc
 
ST4 said:
Rubbish. Why should we reason with them and their people. This is our country, our ways and our customs. We don't have to change anything.
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So what do you say to those communities and cultures all over Britain that aren't 'our ways, our customs'? As mentioned previously - the Jamaican communities, Jewish, Chinese, Polish - do they all need to leave?
 
h14nha said:
The second line is a reaction to the first. Without the first line, there is no second line. Thats the difference. No one in this thread has stated they want Muslims dead, they just want them to go back to a muslim country. The fanatics on the other hand, they wish us all death...........
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This...exactly. Those Muslims that proclaim they hate us, the ones that don't want to learn the language of Britain (English) and those who wish to try bring ANY aspect of their culture here to spread should be sent back ASAP
 
PMK said:
So what do you say to those communities and cultures all over Britain that aren't 'our ways, our customs'? As mentioned previously - the Jamaican communities, Jewish, Chinese, Polish - do they all need to leave?
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If they wish to "spread" their cultures, and change the established status quo here, then yes, they should leave.

Except by and large we see NO issues with these communities because they are happy to live here and abide by our customs and laws without trying to propagate their ways/religion into our established ones.
 
neil_g said:
by that logic we should keep our nose out of their countries and stop throwing military at them?
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Exactly. The phrase live and let live. Other than countries that pose us a direct thread we should leave WELL alone. I don't support the current actions over Ukraine, didn't support the war in Afghanistan or Iraq. There was no need, we'd have been better putting the military in the Falkands and Gib where these territories are at risk.
 
neil_g said:
ive said it several times in this thread and not really had any comment.. but force against these people is like trying to put out a fire with petrol.

just look at how well military campaigns have gone so far over the years. id say nothing has really changed to irradiate extremism.
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The ISIS motto is 'Remaining and Expanding'. There is no way to stop it from expanding than by using force. You can't reason with it, you can't appease it, you can't buy them off. The task force have to systematically degrade their ability to attack and defend themselves and cut off their finances.

The military campaigns against an amorphous enemy like al-Qaeda isn't like fighting a conventional army but they are being attacked and it took 10 years to find Bin Laden so patience is key.
 
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Laudrup said:
So your solution is what? Go back in time and change foreign policy? How do you deal with a rapidly advancing ISIS force slaughtering, raping and pillaging across Syria and Iraq?
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We can bomb the **** out of the Middle East until every man woman and child wants to kill us all? Yep, seems sensible....
 
ST4 said:
If they wish to "spread" their cultures, and change the established status quo here, then yes, they should leave.

Except by and large we see NO issues with these communities because they are happy to live here and abide by our customs and laws without trying to propagate their ways/religion into our established ones.
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I have no issues with these communities at all, of course I don't, but they have not abided by what you would class as 'British' customs.
Have you visited Chinatown in London? Schools, churches, supermarkets - even the HSBC bank is Chinese.
Stamford Hill - the same - Orthodox Jewish community.

These cultures have spread and are established. You must live in a very remote place if you're not aware of other cultures that isn't 'born and bred British' existing, and have existed for years, in this country.
 
Laudrup said:
Not by killing and raping people in two sovereign states and claiming you are the religious, political and military authority over all Muslims. That isn't going to work as being recognised as a state or a caliph by anyone but your followers.

I don't think the immigration argument of today has much relevance to the Beaker people or events hundreds of centuries ago. A week is a long time in politics, never mind Anglo-Saxons in the 5th century. I'd favour some sort of Australian points system for selecting people with skills that are needed. That would mean leaving the EU most probably.
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I think you need to step back, read some history books. And for fun, the Old Testament. The only 'new'thing here is surface to air missiles. Everything else is the same old story. Again, I'm not an apologist, it sickens me, but I can't be outraged as if it's different from any previous war.
 
PMK said:
I have no issues with these communities at all, of course I don't, but they have not abided by what you would class as 'British' customs.
Have you visited Chinatown in London? Schools, churches, supermarkets - even the HSBC bank is Chinese.
Stamford Hill - the same - Orthodox Jewish community.

These cultures have spread and are established. You must live in a very remote place if you're not aware of other cultures that isn't 'born and bred British' existing, and have existed for years, in this country.
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Yes, but they keep themselves to themselves and don't try to propogate their ways onto the rest of us. They don't bellyache about our education system, they don't cover their faces and when they are asked to remove coverings cry the religion card, none of the factions accociated with these groups try to kills us, none of them even keep slaves or arrange marriages...

Need I go on.
 
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Phil V said:
I think you need to step back, read some history books. And for fun, the Old Testament. The only 'new'thing here is surface to air missiles. Everything else is the same old story. Again, I'm not an apologist, it sickens me, but I can't be outraged as if it's different from any previous war.
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Not it is very different, it is all the fault of the US remember? And failing that, I bet people would want to blame Baroness Thatcher
 
Ricardodaforce said:
For years the Islamic world has watched the USA conduct an insidious war on Islam.
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This sounds like the rhetoric Anjem Choudary comes out with. Operation Deliberate Force against the Bosnian Serb Army in 1995 saved a lot of Muslims lives. What was the Islamic world doing about it when Muslims were being killed by genocidal maniacs?
 
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Laudrup said:
This sounds like the rhetoric Anjem Choudary comes out with. Operation Deliberate Force against the Bosnian Serb Army in 1995 saved a lot of Muslims lives. What was the Islamic world doing about it when Muslims were being killed by genocidal maniacs?
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Hahahahaha LOL. Infadels save Muslims, Muslims try to kill infadels in world news shocker.
 
Phil V said:
I think you need to step back, read some history books. And for fun, the Old Testament. The only 'new'thing here is surface to air missiles. Everything else is the same old story. Again, I'm not an apologist, it sickens me, but I can't be outraged as if it's different from any previous war.
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You'll need a bit more meat on the bones of your argument than 'everything else is the same old story, apart from rockets'.
 
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ST4 said:
If we just lie back and don't defend our ways...
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What you refer to as 'our ways' is a mixture of things from people from all over the world who have visited/lived in/conquered our country over many years. Nothing stays the same - ever.


Steve.
 
ST4 said:
So was it trolling then if it wasn't meant to contribute. At least you admitted it.

It's been debated for you and is a valid issue. The islamification of our country will mean we will be too scared to carry out our way of life for fear of offending our guests.

Thats not on.
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Wow...really? A light hearted comment in a thread is now seen as trolling is it? I assume youve reported the post then? Hang on, dont you worry, ill report it myself.
 
neil_g said:
good grief theres a lot of thinly veiled racism going on in this thread.
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No, there is a desire to keep my country as it has been for so long, without a radical change. Why cannot people just come and live here without changing our established ways. Is it really so hard.

Perhaps I should move to Saudi, build a pork house and spread christainity slowly but surely. How long would my head remain attached, hell, I might even try and blow myself and others up in protest that my hosts aren't pandering to my different ways in a childish trantrum to propagate western ways
 
ST4 said:
No, there is a desire to keep my country as it has been for so long, without a radical change. Why cannot people just come and live here without changing our established ways. Is it really so hard.

Perhaps I should move to Saudi, build a pork house and spread christainity slowly but surely. How long would my head remain attached, hell, I might even try and blow myself and others up in protest that my hosts aren't pandering to my different ways in a childish trantrum to propagate western ways
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aaaaand now we're back to the thread title.
 
neil_g said:
aaaaand now we're back to the thread title.
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How is that being thick? It is what is happening here. Halal on British soil is akin to Pork on Saudi soil. Pehraps I should have kids, school them there and protest the education doesn't feature enough christianity in it, its happening here....

I'm back to my concept of guest and host and many of our islamic guests are outstaying their welcome. IMHO.
 
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