Angry White and Thick

Status
Not open for further replies.
Laudrup said:
I would love to hear how you reason with someone that wants to destroy Israel, drive non-Muslims from Saudi Arabia and replace secular states with an Islamic caliphate. Ask them nicely not to suicide bomb you?
Click to expand...


"I'd like to kill you because you won't convert"

"I want to kill you because you expect me to convert"

who is worse? Both as extreme as the other.
 
Rapscallion said:
And Britains Got Talent was one of the highest rated shows last year... Not sure how popularity in itself can be seen as an accolade.

And Neil, I think that just because someone was there to rally the country (no doubt in a brilliant manner) does not mean we should exclude them from any future criticism.
Click to expand...

In the poll, conducted by YouGov for The Times, Margaret Thatcher is rated a ‘great Prime Minister’ by 23%, more than four times the number who call any other ex-PM great (Tony Blair is next, with 5%). Overall, nearly half of British people (48%) think Thatcher was either a good or a great PM.
Click to expand...

Clement Attlee and David Lloyd George are all in the mix too if you look at popular opinion from other polls. Thatcher and Churchill are always up there in popularity though.
 
boyfalldown said:
evidently you don't think you can. Thereby making you just as extreme.
Click to expand...

You keep dodging the question. How do you reason with a terrorist organisation that wants to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic caliphate in place of secular states in the middle east and beyond?
 
Last edited:
Laudrup said:
How do you reason with these terrorists then? Tell me.
Click to expand...

- man gets stung by a hornet
- man attacks nest with bat "hornets are evil, they must be attacked!"
- man gets stung by hornet
- man attacks nest with bat "see I said hornets are evil, they must be attacked!"
- man gets stung by hornet
- man attacks nest with bat "the ongoing hornet reign of terror must be wiped out!"
- man gets stung by hornet
- repeat

short answer, its probably too late now. the hate on both extreme sides is so engrained that its just a merry-go-round of violence.
 
Laudrup said:
You keep dodging the question. How do you reason with a terrorist organisation that wants to destroy Israel and establish an Islamic caliphate in place of secular states in the middle east?
Click to expand...


which secular states? The only two secular states which are predominantly Islamic are Turkey and Indonesia. Only one is in the middle East. I don't know the answer to that one, but I'm sure it lies in a two state solutiuon around Palenstine/Israel . But I do know your position of 'destroy, destroy, destroy' is as extreme as theirs, and will only bring more hatred and problems
 
e_Tg7sREdR.jpg
 
BRASH said:
You reckon it has stopped in East London? Not the case I'm afraid. Also as far as I've been made aware from folk who live in the relevant areas, Luton and parts of Yorkshire and Lancashire and the Midlands.
Click to expand...

I live in East London, you spout utter tripe.
'no-go' are you actually kidding?

Would you class Stamford Hill / Stoke Newington a 'no-go' area for 'born and bred Brits' based on the fact it has a very well established Jewish community?
 
Laudrup said:
Clement Attlee and David Lloyd George are all in the mix too if you look at popular opinion from other polls. Thatcher and Churchill are always up there in popularity though.
Click to expand...

Hmmm, not sure how a poll asking for feedback on only the last four pm's can claim she has more that four times the number of any other ex-PM ?

And I'm pretty certain that ST4's love of Thatcher means he isn't integrating with Scottish society....

EDIT,

and I would suggest that anybody that saw Pinochet as a great friend and Mandela as a terrorist has as tenuous a grip on reality as the eejits posting here...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
boyfalldown said:
which secular states? The only two secular states which are predominantly Islamic are Turkey and Indonesia. Only one is in the middle East. I don't know the answer to that one, but I'm sure it lies in a two state solutiuon around Palenstine/Israel . But I do know your position of 'destroy, destroy, destroy' is as extreme as theirs, and will only bring more hatred and problems
Click to expand...

The ISIS roadmap stretches well beyond Turkey. Al-Qaeda want the destruction of Israel, not a two state solution. These violent jihadists will point to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the Arab Spring and say peaceful protesting and democracy won't work and the only thing that will is their form of Islamic caliphate. Bombing them is the only real option we have. You can't sit down with al-Zawahiri or al-Baghdadi and negotiate your own destruction.
 
Laudrup said:
The ISIS roadmap stretches well beyond Turkey. Al-Qaeda want the destruction of Israel, not a two state solution. These violent jihadists will point to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the Arab Spring and say peaceful protesting and democracy won't work and the only thing that will is their form of Islamic caliphate. Bombing them is the only real option we have. You can't sit down with al-Zawahiri or al-Baghdadi and negotiate your own destruction.
Click to expand...


As I said. Neither view point appears able r willing to change its mind. Both as esxtreme and fundamentalist as the other. Can you change your mind?
 
Laudrup said:
But you can work toward a solution in Northern Ireland and we did. You can work towards a solution in Ukraine and Crimea. You can't reason with people who want an Islamic caliphate, to kill Americans, to destroy Israel and topple pro-west countries in the middle east. These Islamic fundamentalists abroad in places like Raqqa leave you with little option but to destroy them. The ones here planning attacks if found guilty should be locked up and the key thrown away. Same for the people caught preaching and inciting violence.
Click to expand...

The solution in Northern Ireland was worked towards because eventually the terrorists lost the support of the people, and Blair provided letters of immunity of prosecution and other concessions. It turned into a political solution through discussion.
There was a time however when it was thought that the solution to the problem was to catch the people and lock them up, to 'destroy' the organisation that way, which was proven not to be the way.
 
Rapscallion said:
Hmmm, not sure how a poll asking for feedback on only the last four pm's can claim she has more that four times the number of any other ex-PM ?

And I'm pretty certain that ST4's love of Thatcher means he isn't integrating with Scottish society....

EDIT,

and I would suggest that anybody that saw Pinochet as a great friend and Mandela as a terrorist has as tenuous a grip on reality as the eejits posting here...
Click to expand...

History has shown nations have no permanent friends or enemies, only interests. Thatcher and Churchill would probably be at the top lot a lot of people's lists for great PMs. Even in Scotland 400,000+ people still vote Conservative at the general election so ST4's view probably isn't as out of step as you think. To use the biggest cliche, she was a polarizing figure.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ST4
Byker28i said:
The solution in Northern Ireland was worked towards because eventually the terrorists lost the support of the people, and Blair provided letters of immunity of prosecution and other concessions. It turned into a political solution through discussion.
There was a time however when it was thought that the solution to the problem was to catch the people and lock them up, to 'destroy' the organisation that way, which was proven not to be the way.
Click to expand...

The people we are fighting don't want to lay down their arms, they want to die as martyrs and go on suicide missions with a smile on their face. They admit to loving death like we love life. You can't concede any ground to these people or appease them or make their cause seem legitimate. It's not a case of if we don't hit them they won't hit back, it is if we don't hit them they are going to have a tighter grip on the region, grow in strength, numbers and finance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ST4
Laudrup said:
The people we are fighting don't want to lay down their arms, they want to die as martyrs and go on suicide missions with a smile on their face. They admit to loving death like we love life. You can't concede any ground to these people or appease them or make their cause seem legitimate. It's not a case of if we don't hit them they won't hit back, it is if we don't hit them they are going to have a tighter grip on the region, grow in strength, numbers and finance.
Click to expand...
but like i said earlier, hit them and they use it as fuel for their fire.

its a no win situation.
 
Rapscallion said:
Hmmm, not sure how a poll asking for feedback on only the last four pm's can claim she has more that four times the number of any other ex-PM ?

And I'm pretty certain that ST4's love of Thatcher means he isn't integrating with Scottish society....

EDIT,

and I would suggest that anybody that saw Pinochet as a great friend and Mandela as a terrorist has as tenuous a grip on reality as the eejits posting here...
Click to expand...

She was voted in 3x by the British electorate, of which scotland is a mere part of.
 
Steve Smith said:
Caliphate. That's an excellent word. I will write it down and try to use it later. I wonder what it means...
Steve.
Click to expand...
I had no idea either but Google reveals

-is a form of Islamic government led by a caliph,
a person accepted to be a political and religious successor
to the prophet Muhammad and a leader of the entire Muslim community

Everyday's a school day here :thumbs:
 
You've got to love our local broadcast service. :)
 
neil_g said:
but like i said earlier, hit them and they use it as fuel for their fire.

its a no win situation.
Click to expand...

You can't appease or reason with these death cults and their ideology. They have to be confronted at home and abroad and that is what we are doing. It isn't a fight we can afford to lose when you look at their aims.
 
So, who's the Caliph then? :thinking:
 
FFS. Brand:rolleyes:
 
Laudrup said:
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, or he claims to be. Al-Qaeda say it is Mullah Omar with the true claim.
Click to expand...


I could swear no-one outside IS, including the rest of Islam recognise al-Baghdadi as anything at all?
 
BRASH said:
FFS. Brand:rolleyes:
Click to expand...

You may dislike the man, but you and steve still have not answered the many questions as to where these no go areas are. Please can you back up these claims.

fabs said:
So when were you there? I was in Luton a couple of weeks ago and I'll be there again on Friday. Not seen more than a few women in Burkhas. In any case, what is it about Burkhas that offends you?
Click to expand...

PMK said:
Where?
Click to expand...

PMK said:
I live in East London, you spout utter tripe.
'no-go' are you actually kidding?

Would you class Stamford Hill / Stoke Newington a 'no-go' area for 'born and bred Brits' based on the fact it has a very well established Jewish community?
Click to expand...
 
Rapscallion said:
You may dislike the man, but you and steve still have not answered the many questions as to where these no go areas are. Please can you back up these claims.
Click to expand...
Brand is a tool imo. He's proved that time after time.

As previously stated I have already said where I was advised they were. I can't be more specific. Again I have no reason to doubt the persons who told me. You may dispute their word, I don't but I suppose you have never met them, they ain't on this Forum so can't discuss it with you directly. Write them off if you will, really makes no odds in the greater scheme of things.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ST4
BRASH said:
Brand is a tool imo. He's proved that time after time.

As previously stated I have already said where I was advised they were. I can't be more specific. Again I have no reason to doubt the persons who told me. You may dispute their word, I don't but I suppose you have never met them, they ain't on this Forum so can't discuss it with you directly. Write them off if you will, really makes no odds in the greater scheme of things.
Click to expand...

But it does make great odds. They are quite serous allegations and stir a lot of our less well informed into believing we are under a Muslim invasion, and despite people living in these ares (including a mod) there saying these allegations are nonsense you and Steve continue. Misinformation such as this must be challenged.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top