Angry White and Thick

[Steve Smith]

Why has that word gotten such a bad press?

Despite being an old English word, it sounds a bit too American now!


Steve.

 

[dejongj]

As shiould using that word!!


Steve.

Ah the grammar police. How wonderful. Especially towards you non native English speaking forum members. Pretty dire response in the context of this thread. :God:

 

[BRASH]

In his mind.....

Wise up. I took my head out of the sand a long time ago. If posting personal slights on me is the best you can do, then that's no debate. Water off a ducks back but it don't change the fact I have seen these things.

 

[Steve Smith]

Ah the grammar police. How wonderful. Especially towards you non native English speaking forum members. Pretty dire response in the context of this thread. :God:

It's inevitable:

Muphry's law is an adage that states: "If you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written." The name is a deliberate misspelling of Murphy's Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

 

[BRASH]

Hmm there was for a very short period a small issue in East London. That was very quickly stopped. Where else can you name this is happening today?

You reckon it has stopped in East London? Not the case I'm afraid. Also as far as I've been made aware from folk who live in the relevant areas, Luton and parts of Yorkshire and Lancashire and the Midlands.

 

[dejongj]

It's inevitable:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

One mans muphrys law is another mans w****r

 

[dejongj]

You reckon it has stopped in East London? Not the case I'm afraid. Also as far as I've been made aware from folk who live in the relevant areas, Luton and parts of Yorkshire and Lancashire and the Midlands.

Did you report it to the authorities, as that would be pretty serious when you have evidence or intelligence that it is happening today.

 

[BRASH]

Did you report it to the authorities, as that would be pretty serious when you have evidence or intelligence that it is happening today.

The people who have experienced these things have on occasion but as previously documented there's a perception the authorities are perhaps frightened of being cast as racists by taking action. I've no reason to disbelieve the information from various independent sources. No reason for them to lie not to me anyhow. I don't live there.

 

[big soft moose]

Did you report it to the authorities, as that would be pretty serious when you have evidence or intelligence that it is happening today.

trouble is "some bloke told me" isnt evidence - the police probably don't take it seriously because its not evidence of a wrong doing

 

[BRASH]

trouble is "some bloke told me" isnt evidence - the police probably don't take it seriously because its not evidence of a wrong doing

Nor does it prove it doesn't happen. Like I said I've no reason to disbelieve the info. I'm merely relaying what has been relayed to me by people who live in or near the areas affected. You believe what you like makes no odds to me. You may well get yer metaphorical @rses bitten one day.

 

[SFTPhotography]

I'm not convinced we are appeasing or not daring to offend

most of what you'd describe in those terms i'd say come more under "how long can we not be a facist police state run by ignorant bigots" - the answer to which i'd hope is 'for ever'

I couldn't disagree more strongly, but the liberal sanctimoinous lefties will sink this country as they despise their fellow countrymen who want to maintain their countries traditions and heritages without having to pander to appease foreign ones.

If you want Sharia law, live in Saudi, not Luton.

 

[big soft moose]

. You may well get yer metaphorical @rses bitten one day.

does anyone have an example of any of these issues with 'sharia law' actually effecting non muslims ? - the one or two cases i've heard reported were setlling civil issues between two muslim parties inside an ethnic community (pakistani in one case, somali in the other)

in other news a bloke in a pub told me that aliens have landed ... i'm off to demand the MOD do something about taking them on imediately

 

[dejongj]

Sorry but proving that something doesn't have as a response to a request to substantiate an accusation comes across as a ridiculous concept to me.

The authorities are very hot on these things, and they will not brand you as a racist. They will investigate. And if you don't want to talk to the appropriate authorities, why not inform and investigative news paper. They would love a story like that if proven true. Or in the case of Fox even when it isn't true

 

[BRASH]

in other news a bloke in a pub told me that aliens have landed ... i'm off to demand the MOD do something about taking them on imediately

You can try to belittle my comments all you like with your inane sarcasm. Typically, when you disagree with something you revert to this type infantile jibes. Very transparent

 

[BRASH]

Sorry but proving that something doesn't have as a response to a request to substantiate an accusation comes across as a ridiculous concept to me.

The authorities are very hot on these things, and they will not brand you as a racist. They will investigate. And if you don't want to talk to the appropriate authorities, why not inform and investigative news paper. They would love a story like that if proven true. Or in the case of Fox even when it isn't true

You have more faith than the people I've spoken to then.

 

[dejongj]

You have more faith than the people I've spoken to then.

And that is exactly the reason why nothing will happen if people don't stand up and quash what is going on.

 

[big soft moose]

I couldn't disagree more strongly, but the liberal sanctimoinous lefties will sink this country as they despise their fellow countrymen who want to maintain their countries traditions and heritages without having to pander to appease foreign ones.

If you want Sharia law, live in Saudi, not Luton.

name one case and evidence it (prefferably not with a link from a right wing rag, which includes the hiel, the express and the torygraph) where someone who wants to has not been able to maintain british traditions or heritage, because another ethnic group also want to maintain theirs

Personally I take the line that "i'm perfectly happy for you to do what you like, so long as you also allow me to do what i like" (both within the law obviously). in this case that means i don't much care if two somalis with a civil dispute want it settled by their community elder or iman rather than going to small claims court - so long as they don't expect me to submit to a court that i don't recognise as legitimate.

As I said to brash I'm not aware of any case of someone in the Uk who's not muslim being expected to submit to judgement under sharia law

The only fellow countrymen in this context I despise are those who use "maintaining british heritage" as a thinly vieled aliias for "being a rascist scumbag" - British heritage is about upholding democracy and if necessary fighting for it, not establishing a fascist state and kicking out anyone who's not a white anglosaxon christian

 

[BRASH]

And that is exactly the reason why nothing will happen if people don't stand up and quash what is going on.

Well perhaps, due to their unfruitful attempts in the past and their perception of the unwillingness on the part of the authorities to act they either don't or form pressure groups like the EDL.

Just to make it clear at this juncture I have absolutely no connections to such groups and I've never knowingly discussed these matters with a member of such a group but I've no doubt some of them have gone down this route as is their right.

 

[BRASH]

As I said to brash I'm not aware of any case of someone in the Uk who's not muslim being expected to submit to judgement under sharia law

I never said it affected non muslims at present but it's quite clear from the preachings of the so called extreme muslims they do wish sharia law inflicted on all.

 

[Garry Edwards]

Yeah but Winnie did ask them politely to withdraw first

No he didn't, it was Chamberlain... please try to keep up

 

[dejongj]

I don't believe you do. I would just like you to encourage your friends to speak to the authorities or the press to get it resolved or publicised. Silent suffering will merely create larger issues and propagate urban myths which don't help anyone. Like in East London, when that became clear and in the open it was stopped fairly quickly with help from the authorities and local community.

 

[SFTPhotography]

I never said it affected non muslims at present but it's quite clear from the preachings of the so called extreme muslims they do wish sharia law inflicted on all.

Because they see us all as Infadels and that they wish to convert us to that religion. Islamification needs to be resisted at all costs. That means not employing those that refuse to remove Burkhas, that means selling pork and non halal meat in restaurants, that means not allowing mosques to be built if the land can be used for better more useful purposes IMHO.

That means prosecuted that practice sharia, arranged marriages and other barbarous customs in this land.

 

[Deleted member 49549]

Still waiting to be told where these areas are Brash.

And please don't take my disbelieving Steve's assertions personally. But if you wish to,water off a ducks back and all that...

 

[BRASH]

Still waiting to be told where these areas are Brash.

And please don't take my disbelieving Steve's assertions personally. But if you wish to,water off a ducks back and all that...

I've already stated where.

 

[simon ess]

That means prosecuted that practice sharia, arranged marriages and other barbarous customs in this land.

If me and my neighbours decide to settle a dispute by nominating the educated old fella at no. 36 to arbitrate, and come to a settlement outside of the justice system, is that sharia?

Arranged marriages occur in a number of religious / cultural groups and tend to work rather well in comparison to our system. You're thinking of forced marriage which is illegal.

 

[big soft moose]

I never said it affected non muslims at present but it's quite clear from the preachings of the so called extreme muslims they do wish sharia law inflicted on all.

yes but they are currently in a tiny minority even in the muslim community

 

[Marc]

Because they see us all as Infadels and that they wish to convert us to that religion. Islamification needs to be resisted at all costs. That means not employing those that refuse to remove Burkhas, that means selling pork and non halal meat in restaurants, that means not allowing mosques to be built if the land can be used for better more useful purposes IMHO.

That means prosecuted that practice sharia, arranged marriages and other barbarous customs in this land.

Under which law?

I've already stated where.

You'll have to be more specific. I live very close to Luton and go there many times, have never come across any no- go areas.

 

[boyfalldown]

If me and my neighbours decide to settle a dispute by nominating the educated old fella at no. 36 to arbitrate, and come to a settlement outside of the justice system, is that sharia?

Arranged marriages occur in a number of religious / cultural groups and tend to work rather well in comparison to our system. You're thinking of forced marriage which is illegal.

agree 100%. If Sharia law was used to settle civil disputes between parties who agree to settle tha way(Much like dispute resolution is used by the courts now), I'm sure thats something most people could live with?

entirley out of interest, and I don't think this is the case, but assuming Islam was poised (over the next few hundred years) to take over as the world dominant religion why is that a bad thing? Stuff does change over time after all. Not looking for a fight just putting it out as a question

 

[big soft moose]

Because they see us all as Infadels

its infidels , and no they don't - they see us as people of the book, misguided followers of the prophet jesus ... only pagans and aethesists are infidels

and that they wish to convert us to that religion.

no they don't - you can't be forced to convert to islam , you have to choose willingly

That means not employing those that refuse to remove Burkhas,

- thus discriminating against a cultural group for no good reason and alienating moderate muslims by appearing biggoted and ignorant

that means selling pork and non halal meat in restaurants,

which happens widely - I'm not aware of any non muslim owned resteraunt that sells only halal meat.

that means not allowing mosques to be built if the land can be used for better more useful purposes IMHO.

again discriminating against a minority and alienating the moderates - not to mention impinging on the essential freedoms which make the uk a democracy (no land has ever been compulsory purchase to build a mosque as far as i'm aware, so if a landowner ants to build a mosque (or a synagogue or a church, temple, budhist shrine or whatever) and can get planning the govt shouldnt beinterfereing

That means prosecuted that practice sharia,

why if its by consent between two muslims - by all means prosecute anyone forcing non muslims to but as far as i'm aware thars never happened

arranged marriages

so a lot of sikhs, jews, hundus and christians will get prosecuted too then

and other barbarous customs in this land.

such as ?

So to sum up you want the government to discriminate against a minority based on nothing more than ignorance and fear, whilst also tearing up some democratic freedoms - and this is what made Britain great ? Seriously ? ... if you replaced the word muslim or islam with jew or judaism you've essentially paraphrased mein kampf

 

[SFTPhotography]

its infidels , and no they don't - they see us as people of the book, misguided followers of the prophet jesus ... only pagans and aethesists are infidels


no they don't - you can't be forced to convert to islam , you have to choose willinglyf

So thats why it was spread by the sword 100's of years back and there is the concept of jihad.

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thus discriminating against a cultural group for no good reason and alienating moderate muslims by appearing biggoted and ignorant

This is Britain, people need to fit into our ways, not us fit in around theres.

if you replaced the word muslim or islam with jew or judaism you've essentially paraphrased mein kampf

Where have I suggested extermination?

 

[boyfalldown]

So thats why it was spread by the sword 100's of years back and there is the concept of jihad.

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?

Cause Christianity was spread by peaceful means? And has no concept of holy war?

 

[Cobra]

No he didn't, it was Chamberlain... please try to keep up

Every day is a school day here on TP

I live very close to Luton and go there many times, have never come across any no- go areas.

Admittedly there are no barriers barricades or razor wire, that I have seen.
But in a previous job, must be at least 6 years ago now, I would work there 3 of 4 days a week
and some area's did make me feel a little uncomfortable at times.

agree 100%. If Sharia law was used to settle civil disputes between parties who agree to settle tha way(Much like dispute resolution is used by the courts now), I'm sure that's something most people could live with?

I think its the "name" and it would be perceived by many as the thin end of the wedge TBH

entirley out of interest, and I don't think this is the case, but assuming Islam was poised (over the next few hundred years) to take over as the world dominant religion why is that a bad thing? Stuff does change over time after all. Not looking for a fight just putting it out as a question

I'm not in the slightest religious and they ( all religeons) can all go to hell [sic] as far as I am concerned.
2 things, I certainly wouldn't want to be "forced" to pray 5 (is it?) times a day,
give up bacon sarnies, and not have the freedom of choice if I wanted a glass of wine or two,
with my roast pork and crackling.

The Catholics have built themselves a nice little "empire" can you see them deferring to another religion?
I suspect that really would be the start of a "holy" war.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Cause Christianity was spread by peaceful means? And has no concept of holy war?

It was also spread by missionaries. Islam has IIRC only been spread by the sword. Today Christianity is spread by bible bashers, not suicide bombers. There is quite a difference.

 

[boyfalldown]

It was also spread by missionaries. Islam has IIRC only been spread by the sword. Today Christianity is spread by bible bashers, not suicide bombers. There is quite a difference.

Errrmmmmmm that's so wrong it's funny

 

[Marc]

Admittedly there are no barriers barricades or razor wire, that I have seen.
But in a previous job, must be at least 6 years ago now, I would work there 3 of 4 days a week
and some area's did make me feel a little uncomfortable at times.

But that could just be your perception though.

 

[Marc]

It was also spread by missionaries. Islam has IIRC only been spread by the sword. Today Christianity is spread by bible bashers, not suicide bombers. There is quite a difference.

What are you trying to remember? Honestly Steve, you really need to do some (non-media) research before you come out with statements like that.

Oh, and suicide bombers aren't trying to spread Islam, they're just trying to kill people.

 

[dejongj]

Under which law?



You'll have to be more specific. I live very close to Luton and go there many times, have never come across any no- go areas.

Like wise. Never experienced a go no or sharia law controlled zone in Luton. Also not aware of any reported in London. As suggested if your friends have experience otherwise they really should raise the incident such that relevant intelligence reports can be generated and ultimately if so required action can be taken.

There are also plenty of regional community groups that would be very interested in such events.

 

[Cobra]

But that could just be your perception though.

Quite possibly, but that was before a couple or so dissident clerics were "discovered hiding"
But TBH thats what a lot of this is about, isn't it? peoples perception.

 

[Marc]

Quite possibly, but that was before a couple or so dissident clerics were "discovered hiding"
But TBH thats what a lot of this is about, isn't it? peoples perception.

Absotively.

 

[dejongj]

agree 100%. If Sharia law was used to settle civil disputes between parties who agree to settle tha way(Much like dispute resolution is used by the courts now), I'm sure thats something most people could live with?

entirley out of interest, and I don't think this is the case, but assuming Islam was poised (over the next few hundred years) to take over as the world dominant religion why is that a bad thing? Stuff does change over time after all. Not looking for a fight just putting it out as a question

To me it is a bad thing. Not because it is Islam, I would suggest that with what we know now religion has no place interfering with ways of life, it has a disproportionate representation and this distorts what most people really strive towards.

It has been tolerated for a long time as it has been mostly harmless, although in hindsight even that is not longer correct in recent history.


It is time to move on from man made religious rules.