An Independent Scotland?

Blank_Canvas said:
My son is 17, English but lives in Scotland. He turned up to the polls today bold as brass wearing a Union Jack and voted 'no'
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Great - the taxes for the rest of his working life will go to keep us idle Scots in roll-ups and Buckfast. And he voted for it! :beer::banana:

(I am joking!)
 
Bernie174 said:
Yes, but you wont have access to the Dictionary of Last Resort, The Oxford English. Without that you'll just be using with no protection, where would you go to get proper spellings and meanings? Has the SNP made it clear? I notice Salmond avoided the subject!

Anyway, the EU will insist you use French if you want to be in their gang.
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Sacre Bleu!
 
Moadib said:
Absolutely disagree. Every four years being given the "choice" to vote for a punch in the face or a kick in the face is not democracy. The party out of office is always going to undo the horrific damage the current government is doing - they get in, and continue right where the other shower left off. Where is Cameron's bonfire of red tape, and the great repeal? Cutting back the 4,000 new statutes per year? Absolutely nowhere, in fact he's doubled down on that and it's worse than everything he accused Labour of. We have parties going to court to fight that electoral manifestos are not binding on them. We have MPs fighting to continue their right to lie in the commons. And we call it a democracy? It's a democracy if we choose to believe it's one, but failing to understand WHY it is rotten, is failing to understand why many in Scotland want to leave. It is NOTHING to do with England, or English , at least for me. I love England, and have nothing but good experiences wherever I have travelled - customers in Manchester, down in Cornwall, London, York, Newcastle - travels used to take me all over, and it's a place I love. But I believe England is as badly served by our political system as Scotland is - it's just that Scotland has a chance to get out from under that political system. That's what today is about. Maybe we make it, maybe we don't - but I hate seeing it categorised as wanting to leave the UK, or to leave England - it's not. It's solely Westminster rule, and Westminster's support of THE square mile above every other square mile in our currently united kingdom.
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Good post even though I'm a no.

That said - Scotland will be decided by The central belt.
 
Bernie174 said:
Yes, but you wont have access to the Dictionary of Last Resort, The Oxford English. Without that you'll just be using with no protection, where would you go to get proper spellings and meanings? Has the SNP made it clear? I notice Salmond avoided the subject!

Anyway, the EU will insist you use French if you want to be in their gang.
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Don't need it, I'm cunnilingual:p
 
Moadib said:
. But that's looking anyway vanishingly unlikely - so for me leaving that system and starting again, starting smaller and hopefully controllable is the much better option. We shall see (or not, depending how tonight goes).
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That's the bit I don't believe. I can't see Holyrood being better than Westminster.
 
The ballot is now closed. The future of Scotland has now been decided - just not announced !

Whatever the outcome it has been an interesting debate. I sincerely hope that we can all live in peace and harmony once more again.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
The ballot is now closed. The future of Scotland has now been decided - just not announced !

Whatever the outcome it has been an interesting debate. I sincerely hope that we can all live in peace and harmony once more again.
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We will, I'm sure.
No doubt there will be many interesting debates to follow, whether for independence or more powers.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
No doubt there will be many interesting debates to follow, whether for independence or more powers.
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FFS! I thought we were done with this now :p

In all seriousness, from a mod point of view.
Its been a great debate, by and large people have been very calm and level headed throughout.
I think we have only needed to "get official" a minute amount of times.
Well done everyone :thumbs:
 
If you can build a better system, that truly works in the way you suggest it should, fair play to you.

There is something peculiar about British democracy where people tolerate a lot in return for a relatively peaceful, and relatively wealthy life.

They are quite subservient to the political classes. But, when something really motivates them, they act decisively and in large numbers. The post WW2 election and the poll tax being two examples.

Democracy in this country works very well, but at a cost.

That cost is being assed to engage with the democratic system and being assed to vote.

You should not be railing against the failures of Westminster, you should be railing against apathy.

Your ire is laudable but misplaced.
 
Steve Smith said:
Don't be silly. From tomorrow there will be a seemingly endless debate on why they made the wrong choice.


Steve.
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But to be fair, (what ever the outcome) less than 50% of voters made the wrong choice :D
 
archangel said:
Exit polls are showing a 54% victory for the no camp......
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Good, I hope that comes to fruition. I thought that a little flutter on the 'No' vote made much more economic sense than the oil econometrics. I'm optimistic about walking into the bookies tomorrow and picking up my winnings I shall then pre-order the new D750.
 
Good luck and sleep well tonight. I have been in floods of tears this evening since the polls closed. Despite of being accused of being cold on a thread a few days ago. I do have a heart, and that heart is very apprehensive. I'm genuinely scared of what we will wake up to tomorrow. Will either side ever truly know if they were right or wrong? I voted for what I think is right, but will that definitely show in our future, who knows?
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Good, I hope that comes to fruition. I thought that a little flutter on the 'No' vote made much more economic sense than the oil econometrics. I'm optimistic about walking into the bookies tomorrow and picking up my winnings I shall then pre-order the new D750.
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When I pick up my winnings, I'll get the camera and a couple of lenses:snaphappy:
 
Julie1979 said:
Good luck and sleep well tonight. I have been in floods of tears this evening since the polls closed. Despite of being accused of being cold on a thread a few days ago. I do have a heart, and that heart is very apprehensive. I'm genuinely scared of what we will wake up to tomorrow. Will either side ever truly know if they were right or wrong? I voted for what I think is right, but will that definitely show in our future, who knows?
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C'mon wifie, get a grip. At least wait until we get the result:p
 
I'm away to watch all the guff on the telly. Catch you all later once the results start coming in(y)
 
Moadib said:
Absolutely disagree. Every four years being given the "choice" to vote for a punch in the face or a kick in the face is not democracy. The party out of office is always going to undo the horrific damage the current government is doing - they get in, and continue right where the other shower left off. Where is Cameron's bonfire of red tape, and the great repeal? Cutting back the 4,000 new statutes per year? Absolutely nowhere, in fact he's doubled down on that and it's worse than everything he accused Labour of. We have parties going to court to fight that electoral manifestos are not binding on them. We have MPs fighting to continue their right to lie in the commons. And we call it a democracy? It's a democracy if we choose to believe it's one, but failing to understand WHY it is rotten, is failing to understand why many in Scotland want to leave. It is NOTHING to do with England, or English , at least for me. I love England, and have nothing but good experiences wherever I have travelled - customers in Manchester, down in Cornwall, London, York, Newcastle - travels used to take me all over, and it's a place I love. But I believe England is as badly served by our political system as Scotland is - it's just that Scotland has a chance to get out from under that political system. That's what today is about. Maybe we make it, maybe we don't - but I hate seeing it categorised as wanting to leave the UK, or to leave England - it's not. It's solely Westminster rule, and Westminster's support of THE square mile above every other square mile in our currently united kingdom.
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Wouldn't it be easier if the greater metropolitan area would split off as an independent state together with its wealth. Makes it so much easier for everyone else who just moan and moan and moan about us.
 
Yep Yougov showing 54% NO YES 46%.

Betfair have YES drifting at 13/1 - and no takers.

Dismiss the opinion polls, but never dismiss a bookies odds.
 
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