Am I nuts?

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been having a bit of a think today, if the 7D is all it's cracked up to be and covers my needs for a bit more length (Ohh Betty) then can I really justify keeping the 5DMk2?

I have no intention of doing anymore commercial work, so there is no requirement for a back up body, I think the 7D can cover what I need so will look to also optimise my lenses to match it.

So thinking of selling the 5DMk2 and grip!
Selling the 135L
Selling the 12-24 (although I have my doubts as it is a bleddy good copy)
Selling my Sigma 105 Macro

Buying a 10-22 EF-s
Keeping my 24-70L
Keeping my 85L
Buying a 100L IS Macro
Keeping my 300 F2.8 Tokina
Buying a MT-24 (underway at present)

Now I think I can recoup about £2900

And the 10-22, 100L and MT-24 will cost in the region of £1900 leaving me about £1000, which will please my wife!

So, am I being nuts, or realistic?
 
Im thinking of selling my 5d2 and getting 7d as it would put few £ back in to my pocket ... on the other hand its only few £ and Im not sure I would need better AF system...unless it is better then 5d2 in dark conditions...


and I think you are realistic if you think that you would not need 5d2
 
I think if you can be in an ending scenario, where yue have everything covered that you need... and more money in your pocket, then I think you'd be daft not too... :D
 
Trouble is, after testing, the 7D is not in the same league as the 5D2 picture quality wise - I would keep it and use both when required.
 
Diego Garcia said:
Trouble is, after testing, the 7D is not in the same league as the 5D2 picture quality wise - I would keep it and use both when required.
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:) That will help me make a decision :)
 
bastic said:
:) That will help me make a decision :)
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I can only say what I have seen, but the material fact is that 16mp on a 1.6 sensor simply will not render what 21 can on the bigger sensor, as good as the 7D is.

Personally speaking, I was a little bit shocked to be reading that people are saying the 7D focusing is not what they hoped for and the permutation of focusing techniques required seems to mirror the Mark III situation again.

I do however think it is a good camera, but I feel that the D300S has the best focusing of any camera I have used or tested - period. (note I don't own a D300s).

But in perspective, you get a lot of camera for your money and testament to that is to think I bought two Mark II N's back in 2006 for what £2800.00 each and the 7D should eat them up...
 
I think keep both. I'm in a similar position with 1DsII and 7D. Got both crop and full frame covered and the 1Ds will still be delivering top images long after the 7D has worn out or been superceded...

I've taken about 600 shots on my 7D so far and genuinely believe the AF shows promise but I need to learn how to get the best of it.
 
Well I won't be making a decision until I have tried the 7D against the 5DMk2. Absolute picture quality isn't the B all and end all for me, I rarely print past A4, whilst I like the wide angle FOV available with the 12mm on the FF camera, it is rare that I actually need it, I have used it a bit recently for my HNC projects, but to be honest 16mm would normally be more than enough!

Also apart from messing around at home, I have rarely shot anything at a higher ISO than 800, so the loss of a little quality at higher ISOs is not a massive concern either. If the difference really is marked then I will keep the 5DMk2 and crop the images to give me what I want.

I have printed about 40 prints since purchasing my 5DMk2 in December and they were all from a wedding earlier in the year, the largest print was 9" x 6". I suspect that the 7D will do that sort of size just fine.

Thanks for your comments so far though, it does help to see through the wood a bit but still not seeing the trees clearly.
 
Ed - they're both great cameras, but aimed at two totally different end users. If the largest print you've done with your 5D2 is 9X6, then I'd have to question if you ever needed full frame in the first place, but I suspect you're not alone in that. :shrug:

The full frame format does have big advantages though in some situations, so I wouldn't do anything without a lot of thought, and certainly not before you've seen some results from the 7D and you're really sure where your future interests lie.
 
CT said:
Ed - they're both great cameras, but aimed at two totally different end users. If the largest print you've done with your 5D2 is 9X6, then I'd have to question if you ever needed full frame in the first place, but I suspect you're not alone in that. :shrug:

The full frame format does have big advantages though in some situations, so I wouldn't do anything without a lot of thought, and certainly not before you've seen some results from the 7D and you're really sure where your future interests lie.
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Ha ha, to be honest, I could probably get away with using my Fuji S602pro for 90% of my photography these days, but where's the fun in that?

I like buying gear and playing with it, I do not have access to the human models that I used to have and since going into my 50s feel like a DOM if I suggest it to anyone other than family, therefore I would like to try my hand at some other types of photography where the models do not think there may be an ulterior motive.

So I will have a go at sport, wildlife (feathered birdies etc) and get into macro a bit more, thus be able to satisfy my photographic needs.

I genuinely think that the 7D will suit me perfectly but of course will reserve judgment until I have had a decent play with it, but as you said, do I really need the benefit of full frame, it's considerably doubtful! (good job my wife is not a member here).
 
LOL. There's nothing wrong with liking nice gear and it can be difficult sometimes to make a judgement between what you want and what you'll actually use- but there's my Achilles Heel exposed, although it tends to be film kit with me. :D

Certainly as far as digital goes, I made up my mind a long time ago that the 1.6 format was for me and I don't need anything else. I've had no cause to change my mind, and whilst the advantages for bird photography are obvious, I've done the odd wedding and portrait stuff when I can't get out of it and the format has never disappointed in any way.

What I will say is that you need to be invested in the best glass- even more so with the pixels that they're cramming onto the 1.6 sensor.
 
Well after a play about today I am well pleased with my purchase of the 7D. I haven't completely made my mind up and I am going to have a really good play with the 7D next Friday, Saturday & Sunday, but if todays results are anything to go on I suspect I shall be selling my 5DMk2, Sigma 12-24 EX DG and Sigma 105 Macro (with Sunpack ringflash).

If I do decide to go this route, I shall replace the the above with a Canon EF-s 10-22 and the new Canon EF 100L IS Macro.

This will leave me with the following:

7D
10-22
24-70L
85L
100L IS Macro (with MT-24)
135L (like lightning on the 7D)
300 f2.8 Tokina AT-X
1.4x & 2x Converters.

Should pretty much cover most things.

Where I am really pleased with my 7D is with how the lenses react, even my 85L seems quicker and I love the FOV of the 24-70L on the 7D, a true walk around lens for me now.

Now I'm going to open the package with the manual and software in and have a good read!
 
Is it not worth keeping the Sigma 12-24 just in case? Will you really make use of the extra 2 mm? (I have the Canon 10-22 and I like it, just wondering why you are changing these two lenses for almost identical ones)
 
2mm makes quite a difference on a crop, 12mm on crop equates to an similar AOV to a 19mm on FF whereas the 10mm would equate to an AOV of 16mm on FF if it fitted, that 3mm makes a fair bit of difference on a ultra wide angle, the Canon is also smaller and lighter than the Sigma 12-24 due to the Sigma being designed to fit FF cameras.

As for the 105 Sigma Macro, whilst a nice lens, it is not in the same league as the current Canon EF100 Macro in build quality although the IQ is very good, but the New 100L Macro version is supposed to be even better than the original EF100 Macro both in build quality and IQ hence the fact it is £450 more expensive.

Until such times as I can afford an EF 300L f2.8 IS that lineup will have to do me :thumbs:
 
Could sell me the 12-24 - had a wanted ad on for 3 weeks now!!!

Rog
 
RogWarham said:
Could sell me the 12-24 - had a wanted ad on for 3 weeks now!!!

Rog
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Sorry Rog, It's not quite for sale yet, I want to make sure I am doing the right thing first, especially as it's a sharp un! If I decide to sell the FF camera then it will be going and I will place an ad in the classifieds as required by the forum rules. Keep an eye out next Sunday or Monday Evening (11th or 12th Oct) as I don't really have the time to give the 7D a good workout before then.
 
No you are not nuts Ed. :)

I love getting my hands on different equipment (ohh err missus!) and seeing what I can get out of it. I can honestly say it has taken me an age to truly get to grips with the 1DsII it's one heck of a camera and there is a lot to take in and explore. One of the reasons I love the FF cameras is the ability to blow them up really big so I can do some detailed PP work. That makes a huge difference to me. The 135mm is one lens I've not yet had the opportunity to try. Might have to have a word with Stewart about that! I do also like to print at reasonable sizes, usually A3 and A3+ at home and just did a 3ftx2ft for a client so that's where it comes into it's own.

Hope you really enjoy the 7D, wish I had the pennies in the bank for the 5DII 'cause I'd snaffle that off you in a heartbeat!

Have fun Ed! :)
 
I will place an ad in the classifieds as required by the forum rule
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I would not expect anything less. :clap:

Interested to hear how you get on with the 7 as compared to the 5d2 - just love d2.

Rog
 
AliB said:
No you are not nuts Ed. :)

I love getting my hands on different equipment (ohh err missus!) and seeing what I can get out of it. I can honestly say it has taken me an age to truly get to grips with the 1DsII it's one heck of a camera and there is a lot to take in and explore. One of the reasons I love the FF cameras is the ability to blow them up really big so I can do some detailed PP work. That makes a huge difference to me. The 135mm is one lens I've not yet had the opportunity to try. Might have to have a word with Stewart about that! I do also like to print at reasonable sizes, usually A3 and A3+ at home and just did a 3ftx2ft for a client so that's where it comes into it's own.

Hope you really enjoy the 7D, wish I had the pennies in the bank for the 5DII 'cause I'd snaffle that off you in a heartbeat!

Have fun Ed! :)
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It's enlarge :bang: you blow things up with a bicycle pump or semtex :rules: :lol:

Thanks for the VOC :lol: I must admit, I am enjoying the 7D muchly at the moment and I don't think it's just because it's new. I have never owned a camera that focusses so quickly or had 8fps, and even the 24-70 seems to focus bang on regardless of the focal length. I have been playing with it for about 3 hours in total now and have already rattled off about 300 shots. The only lens I haven't tried on it yet is the 105 Macro, and I'll have a go with that around the garden in the morning.
 
I think you're doing the right thing by taking your time to decide. It's a very big decision.
As you've pointed out there's still an element of novelty with your new camera, and so until you've had the time and opportunity to put it through its paces it's wise to leave a final decision until later.
And as an aside, I think it's refreshing to see someone trying to identify what they actually need to make their photos rather than what they simply want.
 
Nipped into the garden whilst my wife was at Tesco doing the weekend shop and took a few Macro pics with the 7D.

Really starting to enjoy this camera.

JPGs, resized and a little USM.

Sigma 105 Macro, with Sunpak G8XR Ringflash. Exif data should be intact.

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Ed, you're like a kid at Christmas!! ;)
 
CT said:
Ed, you're like a kid at Christmas!! ;)
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You're not wrong there, I was awake at 5am yesterday waiting for it to arrive!

I was not that excited when I ordered my 5DMk2.

Just got to learn how to intice feathered birdies into my dump of a garden.
 
LOL . I think it's because it's a camera from Canon which fits into a completely new slot in the range and is very dfferent to anything else out there at the moment.

I can't fault mine so far and hope to use it in proper anger tomorrow. :woot:
 
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