Alt meds & stuff. Do they work?

[ZoneV]

I had two years of that following an RTA
nerve damage / deltiod muscle totaled.
They "re-trained" other muscles to "take over".

I still have trouble moving my arm
in some "planes" but you would never know unless you watched closely
I will be forever greatful to the girls that got my arm usable again

Curiously, and as pointed out by one of them
"physio-the-rapist"

Ouch, sorry to hear it. I bet that smarted. Good to see you're back on track though, it couldn't have been easy.

I like their breakdown of the word.

 

[ZoneV]

agreed zone v BUT it was still classed as alternative therapy. as was the testing of someones vision. looking into the eye to see what shape your retina is was being done in 1352 but now we call it optometry. We class it as modern medicine but its started off as alternative therapy.

Yes, that's great. My point is, any remedy is fantastic as long as it's been scientifically proven to work at some point.

 

[pepi1967]

I totaly agree zone v totaly. I was just making the point that most modern medicine came originaly from alternative medicine. And until its been proven or disproven through extensive medical trials you cant call it humbug or say it doesnt work. A sparrows feather and two lumps of coal dont work i tried

 

[Cobra]

Ouch, sorry to hear it. I bet that smarted. Good to see you're back on track though, it couldn't have been easy.

I like their breakdown of the word.

Thanks
It was a tad painful This was 30 years ago, and every now and again, the pain kicks
back in
I tore the nerves from the back of my neck, that "trigger" the Deltiod.
And as per a previous post in this thread,
Tiger Balm is about that only thing that kills the pain.

 

[Tigger.ufo]

The proof of the pudding was in the hearing
And as it was my ears, I guess that there was no slight of hand, or any other tricks involved

I didn't think snakes had ears?

.....bit late I know but I have been busy!

Heather

 

[Cobra]

I didn't think snakes had ears?

.....bit late I know but I have been busy!

Heather

Yeah Yeah Yeah, here we go
Lets all bash the snake....
Actually that'll produce snake oil won't it?

 

[pepi1967]

Lets all bash the snake

Bit rude lol

 

[Cobra]

Lets all bash the snake

Bit rude lol

Oh its a popular past time around here by many members

 

[ZoneV]

Thanks
It was a tad painful This was 30 years ago, and every now and again, the pain kicks
back in
I tore the nerves from the back of my neck, that "trigger" the Deltiod.
And as per a previous post in this thread,
Tiger Balm is about that only thing that kills the pain.

Is Tiger Balm some kind of muscle rub, like Deep Heat? (Looking at the ingredients they both share menthol - which has (proven) pain relieving properties - as an active ingredient). Sounds ideal.

What happened, if you don't mind me asking? Was it a bike-arm-out-to-break-fall jobber? Nasty.

 

[fracster]

I have serious arthritis in my shoulders. I won`t leave the house without my magnetic bracelet bought in Arizona many years ago.

Is it mumbo jumbo crap, maybe and many years ago I would have agreed with anyone who said so. Now? Well it works for me. If that is physical or pyschological, who knows. i don`t care, I just feel better with my silly bracelet on.

And believe me, I a one cynical,practical and old fashioned git.

 

[Cobra]

Is Tiger Balm some kind of muscle rub, like Deep Heat?

Yes its that type of thing but much better, I've never really analyzed it TBH
All I know is it works and there is no erm whats the word?
You don't build up an "immunity" to it like pain killers, where by you take
more and more and finally end up addicted to them.

What happened, if you don't mind me asking?

Not at all.
A motorcycle accident, quite happily minding my own bushiness and someone
turned right, right in front of me.
I tried to drop the bike ( I wasn't going that fast either )
and get off, unfortunately, the car was too close,
I stuffed the bike under the car, and landed on my head and left shoulder,
forcing the two apart. (Brachial plexus injury)
That was enough to rip out the nerves and sheaths down my neck and left arm.
Some of the nerves regrew, down the sheaths that were un damaged.
The sheaths that had been destroyed however, left no path for the nerves,
to re-grow down.

Basically, not being able to use the deltiod it withered.

Nearly 2 and a half years for recovery,
and I never broke a single bone in my body

 

[fracster]

Soft git............

 

[Cobra]

Soft git............

Hard as nails me didn't you read it properly?
Not a single break just some gravel rash and a few bruises

The internals take care of themselves, I am not responsible for them

 

[fracster]

Later Chris, take care fella.

 

[ZoneV]

Yes its that type of thing but much better, I've never really analyzed it TBH
All I know is it works and there is no erm whats the word?
You don't build up an "immunity" to it like pain killers, where by you take
more and more and finally end up addicted to them.

Sounds like good swag.

Not at all.
A motorcycle accident, quite happily minding my own bushiness and someone
turned right, right in front of me.
I tried to drop the bike ( I wasn't going that fast either )
and get off, unfortunately, the car was too close,
I stuffed the bike under the car, and landed on my head and left shoulder,
forcing the two apart. (Brachial plexus injury)
That was enough to rip out the nerves and sheaths down my neck and left arm.
Some of the nerves regrew, down the sheaths that were un damaged.
The sheaths that had been destroyed however, left no path for the nerves,
to re-grow down.

Basically, not being able to use the deltiod it withered.

Nearly 2 and a half years for recovery,
and I never broke a single bone in my body

"Ouch", but it sounds like it could've very easily lost more than your delt - landing on your sweed and all. Anyway, it's good to see you've adapted and found something that works to help the pain.

Soft git............

 

[Cobra]

"Ouch", but it sounds like it could've very easily lost more than your delt - landing on your sweed and all. Anyway, it's good to see you've adapted and found something that works to help the pain.

Thanks and yes indeed, I was fully "leathered up" too,
(was a hot summers day)
They were pretty much destroyed, and my helmet had several large lumps
missing from it.
I shudder to think what might have happened had I been wearing trainers,
T-shirt and shorts, doesn't bare thinking about does it? :shake:

Oh and don't mind Ade he's an arse mate of mine, well he was anyway

 

[ZoneV]

A sparrows feather and two lumps of coal dont work i tried

Ah, the earth-energies are tired. Try again tomorrow.

The guy's a genius. I never get tired of his work

I missed this. Apol's, I wasn't ignoring you. Yes, I like a lot of his stuff too . He's very talented if a little over-the-top with his views at times (hopefully he'll mellow with age).

 

[ZoneV]

Thanks and yes indeed, I was fully "leathered up" too,
(was a hot summers day)
They were pretty much destroyed, and my helmet had several large lumps
missing from it.
I shudder to think what might have happened had I been wearing trainers,
T-shirt and shorts, doesn't bare thinking about does it? :shake:

Indeed. "Skin-graft, bone-graft, nice nurses" as my instructor used to say when we screwed up. I've come off a couple of times but nothing that serious - just a bit of a slide and thankfully, a gradual "stop".

Oh and don't mind Ade he's an arse mate of mine, well he was anyway

Yes, I misunderstood Fracster when I first joined but I think I "get" him now.

 

[Cobra]

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Yes, I misunderstood Fracster when I first joined but I think I "get" him now.

You do?
any chance of explaining him to the rest of us, when you have some free time?

 

[big soft moose]

Oh its a popular past time around here by many members

between the snake bashing and the mass debating in some threads its a wonder the pages of oof arent all stuck together

 

[jon ryan]

I live near Glastonbury which is a bit of a hub for the alt med crowd. We have people who commune with angels, lecture on how to talk to extra-terrestrials, and wear flowers in their hair at all times. I like Glastonbury very much.

Most of these things are pretty harmless, and can even do some good. Placebo can apparently be quite amazingly powerful (I A Not A Doctor).

But.

It's when these practitioners make outlandish claims of the efficacy of their product, when they prey on people who are desperate because they or a loved one are afflicted with a life threatening condition, and cynically charge vast sums of money for sugar pills, as, say, homoeopaths have been know to do. There are medically qualified doctors who push unproven treatments onto gullible, desperate people. Many of these same people shout about how Big Pharma is only in it for the money and all the real doctors are in their pay.

These are the ones I'd like to infect with something quite nasty and then challenge them to cure themselves using only what the claim will work for others.

And as for the anti vaccination cretins...

 

[PMK]

If people have a genuine interest, then I recommend 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre.

Homeopathy features heavily and pretty much gets bashed throughout, but not without good reason. His arguments are backed up by copious amounts scientific study and research. It's funny in places too.

Also, his long standing feud with Gillian McKeith is interesting too

 

[footman]

I can certainly vouch for the placebo effect of homeopathic remedies. Some years ago I saw a patient complaining of a large painful wart under her foot.
She had this treated many many times using different modalities including surgery to no avail. More in hope than expectation I gave her 1 homeopathic tablet. She was well aware that I doubted it would work but it was worth a try before we embarked on more radical treatment.
1month later the wart had vanished, only the scar left by surgery remaining.
Proof that homeopathy works? Of course not!

A few months later her 4 year old niece was brought in to see me. Her face had about 6 warts on it and she had become terrified of doctors etc after much inappropriate treatment.
Her mother of course wanted me to use the same treatment that her sister had received. I declined because I felt it was unethical.
Instead I gave her a smartie and lied to her that it was the same pill her auntie had received, I felt that this approach was the lesser of two evils and unlikely to harm her.
The result? Complete resolution of her facial warts in 1 month. Proof of placebo? Almost certainly.

On a more serious note, over 20 years ago my 1st wife was terminally ill with cancer. She fell under the spell of a charlatan therapist who had an office lined with diplomas from fake universities. Despite my reservations my wife paid her many hundreds of pounds for nonsense pills and potions.
There are laws in this country governing this kind of thing and I'm pleased to say that this woman eventually went to prison.
I'm sorry for the length of this post.

 

[Cobra]

Most of these things are pretty harmless, and can even do some good. Placebo can apparently be quite amazingly powerful (I A Not A Doctor).

The Power of the mind is pretty amazing at times

But.
when they prey on people who are desperate because they or a loved one are afflicted with a life threatening condition, and cynically charge vast sums of money for sugar pills, as, say, homoeopaths have been know to do.
These are the ones I'd like to infect with something quite nasty and then challenge them to cure themselves using only what the claim will work for others.

Indeed but unfortunately there are Charlatans in every walk of life.

I can certainly vouch for the placebo effect of homeopathic remedies.
The result? Complete resolution of her facial warts in 1 month. Proof of placebo? Almost certainly.

As above, the power of the mind is a powerful thing, and as an aside, this is where the "faith healers" and layer's of of hands get "their power"

On a more serious note, over 20 years ago my 1st wife was terminally ill with cancer. She fell under the spell of a charlatan therapist who had an office lined with diplomas from fake universities. Despite my reservations my wife paid her many hundreds of pounds for nonsense pills and potions.
There are laws in this country governing this kind of thing and I'm pleased to say that this woman eventually went to prison.
I'm sorry for the length of this post.

I'm really sorry to hear that

But as least you recieved some form of justice
And hopefully she won't be doing that again

 

[Dexy101]

I have serious arthritis in my shoulders. I won`t leave the house without my magnetic bracelet bought in Arizona many years ago.

Is it mumbo jumbo crap, maybe and many years ago I would have agreed with anyone who said so. Now? Well it works for me. If that is physical or pyschological, who knows. i don`t care, I just feel better with my silly bracelet on.

And believe me, I a one cynical,practical and old fashioned git.

I'm glad it works for you. I have arthritis all over and got a bracelet recently. Didn't do a single thing for me. Shame really.