ALL photographers are perverts

They get away with it thats how!

It shouldnt happen i know, but it does. These days the local young team think they can do or say anything they want.

The danger is this-

1. Your fairly quiet and respectable. You tell them to be quiet but dont quite have the commitment to get tore in if need be. Your going to lose.

2. Your a bit of a simmering rogue and provoke them verbally until they assault you. Then you have every right to teach them a lesson. Then they stab you dead.

It really is getting worse and worse in Glasgow and Im sure its mich the same everywhere else.
 
MJ Stebbings said:
Shhhh, i have a 40 year old mind trapped inside a 25 year olds body! Best of both worlds! :lol:

I hate teenagers. I wasnt like that 10 years ago. Its amazing how much times have changed in such a short space of time!
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Yeah, *ahem* I wasn't like that 10 years ago either *ahem* :D
 
:lol: @ Fabs

You know what i mean though, when i was there age, we would never have dreamed of being like that. There was always the rough areas of Peterborough, now its hard finding areas that arent!
 
fabs said:
Or even better, all chip in and buy a cold and damp island where the narrow minded, ignorant, nanny state, pc gone mad, yada, yada...can go an live and then the rest of us can live in peace and harmony! :D
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We already did.... Its called Australia :D

Mind you, those criminals created an idyllic society which many of us yearn to join... Maybe it's us "normal" folk who are the bad apples? :thinking:
 
MJ Stebbings said:
:lol: @ Fabs

You know what i mean though, when i was there age, we would never have dreamed of being like that. There was always the rough areas of Peterborough, now its hard finding areas that arent!
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I blame the ASBO. 10 years ago they feared getting into trouble with the police (Well most anyway) but now they haven't got much to lose as they can always brag about it to their mates!
 
Maybe they will just grow up. Letting vanity take over, i struggle to control myself as an ex paratrooper when im in glasgow and the neds say anything near or to me or someone else im with.

Maybe it will cost me dearly one day but i tell you something,...none of these wee clowns are going to learn the easy way !
 
gman said:
And here they are!!!

Street Trash

The fat one in stripes was the one who started the nonsense. Perhaps he knew that stripes aren't flattering and didn't want a photo taken hehe
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You should have said, Oi Fatty are you thick, it's vertical stripes to make you look thinner
 
fabs said:
Indeed it does work both ways, but adults do not hang around on the streets hurling verbal abuse at teenagers...

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They do worse than that...

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Its just white to me
 
I'd like to get a group of guys together & all go out in a large gang with hoodies & faces covered then terorise the young hoodies. Tell them this is OUR turf now & if we see any of you here we'll waste you. A bit extreme but fight fire with fire & they'll get the messege.
 
nomorem6 said:
I'm not defending these teenagers. Having a go for no good reason is plain wrong regardless of age.
However given that 74% off all media coverage about teenagers is negative but only 4% of teenagers are actively aggressive or antisocial (National Statistics Authority) its no wonder that some of them want to have a go sometimes. It may appear to be for no reason (and I'm sure you didn't deserve any c%^p from anybody, whoever) but when people get pee'd off for being slated by others all the time they aren't exactly going to respect anybody.

Adults will never get respect from teenagers until they get a little respect themselves. It works both ways IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you deserved any abuse or inadvertently brought it on yourselves - far from it. I'm just saying that if adults stopped giving teenagers a hard time across the country there would be a few less pee'd off teenagers about who don't have any respect for anyone or anything. I'm sure there will be a few who don't agree with what I've said here but I've worked with some as the nastiest teenagers from the worst places as a photographer and trust me, it really does work both ways.

Still.......... in your case they did sound like gits. :)
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Iv got two teenagers in my house!! mine are good kids and whenever thier with our friends and family were told how wonderfull they are.. BUT.. When my daughter is out with some of her pals she becomes a right ****taker!! just like her pals! she gets rude and nasty to us, then gets put in her place and were back to normal, its the parents to some extent!! it seems they dont have the balls to put their own kids straight so they just get worse and worse!!

Im affraid your post makes me think you either arnt in the real world and believe EVERYTHING you here on the telly, or you havent any exeprience of the teens of today.. im not trying to put you down in anyway, but rose coloured specs have to come off sometimes!! :shrug:

4% of the kids around here would hppily take your head off!! id say there was about only 15-20% that id say are decent kids.. the rest are lilttle scallies..




Wayned said:
I think my generation is to blame. (Not The Who song!) I'm in my early 40's and have kids from 8 the early 20's. I was born in the 60's when respect was seen as something that got in the way of a good time.
Somehow we seem to have bought a generation into the world who are very selfish and materialistic. I don't care what the office of national statistics say, they, statistically have been wrong more than they are right. Where did they carry out their investigation to get 4%? Surrey?
People of my age are to blame I'm afraid. Add to the break up in families (which I have contributed to) the removal of Corporal punishment (which I received in abundance), the Golden age of credit (which I have definitely contributed to) where kids get what they want, when they want, and access to all the rubbish on the 'innernet'.
They are going to be less respectful, less caring about others and more vociferous to anyone they want because there are no boundaries any more. Can't remember the last time I saw a 20 a side footy match on the park or kids playing British Bulldog or 'Kick can' (names varied throughout the land).
They are encouraged to grow up before they have learned to be kids properly. Having to deal with family breakdown etc. forces the issue for them.
As for being called names by the little tykes, just ask them to spell what name they are calling you. That tends to shut them up.
Thinking about it maybe that Who song is to blame. "WHY DON'T YOU ALL F F F F F fade away!"
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I remember being in about the 4th year at school when they banned the cane!! we were all saying the same thing!! "They cant do anything to us now!! woohoo!!!" and its gone from worse to worse!! now the parents arnt allowed!! the kids threaten you with bloody CHILD LINE!!! its ridiculous!! iv had that.. she got a smack and told to wind it in!! end of!






Anyway, all you togs can have your little island!! im staying to photograph the end of the known world!! lol..
 
fraggle101 said:
i was out working one night when a bunch of teenagers walked by taking th 'P' we ignored them at first untill they said the same thing.. all photographers were perverts!! so i shouted out, 'Dont walk 'Dont walk away.. come back and pull your trousers down!!' anyway, they carried on walking and i did my fly back up.. :lol:
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I have got to say, doing that could have got you into an awful lot of trouble if they had reported you.........think about it.:eek::eek::eek:
 
DiddyDave said:
Perhaps villages, even small rough ex mining ones, just don't have the same issues as bigger places do?DD
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Or possibly the small rough ex miners dishing out a bit of instant justice?
 
I think these dark days (both senses) you have to shoot defensively, ie one eye on possible confrontational situations and take action to avoid them before anything kicks-off.
I'd rather miss a few shots and move on than end up in casualty looking through a catalogue for replacement equipment.

I was shooting in George Square a few nights ago and there were the odd nutters about, but the Square did have quite a significant police presence and I didn't feel unduly threatened. I was more concerned about being followed back to my car and being mugged for my equipment, so made sure I kept to main streets and no shortcuts up poorly lit lanes.
Last summer I was in an out-of-use football field trying to get some shots of pigeon in flight when I spotted about a dozen youths walking towards the opposite bank of the river at side of pitch. I continued, but thought could be tricky situation. fortunately my car was close-by as I had to make a quick getaway as the gang headed for the adjoining bridge with cries of "get the pervy b*****d. Be aware and have an escape route is my advice.
 
fraggle101 said:
I remember being in about the 4th year at school when they banned the cane!! we were all saying the same thing!! "They cant do anything to us now!! woohoo!!!" and its gone from worse to worse!! now the parents arnt allowed!! the kids threaten you with bloody CHILD LINE!!! its ridiculous!! iv had that
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Bang on the money, check out the age of these scum & you'll find it ties in exactly when police, teachers etc had all disciplinary powers taken away. "Lower your voice to them" What a complete joke. They've all been born into a society without discipline & unfortunatley it's too late to change.
 
fraggle101 said:
Im affraid your post makes me think you either arnt in the real world and believe EVERYTHING you here on the telly, or you havent any exeprience of the teens of today.. im not trying to put you down in anyway, but rose coloured specs have to come off sometimes!! :shrug:

4% of the kids around here would hppily take your head off!! id say there was about only 15-20% that id say are decent kids.. the rest are lilttle scallies..
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Interesting post and it kind of confirms my position. You see, as part of my work I'm employed by LA youth offending teams to evidence project impact in EU funded regeneration areas. All those places where you find the so called worst of the worst and stubbing your fag-end out on someone else is 'just a bit of fun'. There's no question that there is a good number of w--------s around but 95% are fine if they're reacted to in the right way. 95% don't stub fag-ends out on each other but they'll give you a mouth full every time. You normally get a hard time to start with but handle it in the right way and things change. The right way might be 'a friendly chat' or it might be something else (read whatever you like into that) but it works with the right approach. The projects I photograph aren't staged with 'the nice teenagers'. I have a diary list of what's happening where and turn up on spec.

The times that it doesn't work is when someone else comes along and sticks their nose in. Nothing personal but the 'I have two teenagers myself types' (That isn't supposed to be antagonistic) Unfortunately there are a lot of people around who think that being a parent is a qualification of some kind and allows them to come out with statements like.....
"Respect your elders"
"I'm an adult, I know best"
"Who do you think you are little madam"
The list goes on.

There are a lot of ways and means to deal with confrontation and BS from teenagers but to assume you deserve respect just because you're an adult or parent isn't one of them. In fact, its the best way I know of to make sure any nice or not-so-nice teenager is a complete ******.

In answer to you're other points, I haven't had a TV in 16 years. I don't need one. And I took the rose-tinted glasses off the first time I saw a kid who'd had his head caved in with a manhole cover for a 'bit of fun'.
 
Funny that I always considered myself a leech, taking advantage of other people's suffering so I could get my pictures up in classy galleries, drink campaign and get laid occasionally. Maybe I should add pervert to my litany of self loathing and abuse.
 
Like Jonathon, I live abroad and rarely work in UK. I would like to know how photographers have had the various lables attached to them, ie Pervert and the rest of it. I know the anti-terrorist thing got people going about antone with an SLR was a potential terrorist but, where did the rest of the cr#p come from?
 
TerryO said:
Like Jonathon, I live abroad and rarely work in UK. I would like to know how photographers have had the various lables attached to them, ie Pervert and the rest of it. I know the anti-terrorist thing got people going about antone with an SLR was a potential terrorist but, where did the rest of the cr#p come from?
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The media went crazy over paedophiles and stories of indecent images being found on computers. Therefore digital cameras are now seen to be the "weapon" of the paedophile so those with the biggest cameras must be the biggest perverts! Can't really fault thaqt logic can you? :bang::bang::bang:
 
fabs said:
The media went crazy over paedophiles and stories of indecent images being found on computers. Therefore digital cameras are now seen to be the "weapon" of the paedophile so those with the biggest cameras must be the biggest perverts! Can't really fault thaqt logic can you? :bang::bang::bang:
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my sentiments exactly

I had a bit of a frustrating discussion with some guys at work today :bang:
I mentioned that I'd had some abuse while at a local park in the summer while shooting dragonflies
Had a gang of youths give me aggro about being a pervert with a camera, I did not get involved just walked away
The guys said that if they saw someone in a park with a camera they would automatically think the worst
maybee the blokes at work ar'nt a normal cross section of society but they have completely fallen for the media c*** about there being a paedophile in every park
I havent been back to the place found some better sites anyway
Pete
 
Thanks fabs. I thought mass hysteria died after the broadcast of War of the Worlds on American radio back in the fifties 9(hen half of the American population ran for the hills as they thought the Martians really had landed - am I really that old already?)
What, do you think, is the route cause of all this incredible behaviour over there? Is it as suggested above, the lack of discipline that has been brought about by the outlawing of almost all forms of punishment? Or is it deeper than that?
Maybe the insanely graphic blood & guts computer games play a part in it?
I can not imagine what the experience of having to endure this stuff is like for you all, not only from the kids, from the adults too.
I was reading another thread about a social centre manager stopping someone taking photos, eve with the parents concent.
Somewhere else here, a fella being challenged and abused taking pics of his own child and an hysterical mother and father threatening all manner of retribution, or maybe that was an article my old Dad sent me from a tabloid.
Having said that, I do see some fabulous street photography on here without any mention of abuse or ridicule.
Is it isolated or rife I wonder?
 
TerryO said:
Thanks fabs. I thought mass hysteria died after the broadcast of War of the Worlds on American radio back in the fifties 9(hen half of the American population ran for the hills as they thought the Martians really had landed - am I really that old already?)
What, do you think, is the route cause of all this incredible behaviour over there? Is it as suggested above, the lack of discipline that has been brought about by the outlawing of almost all forms of punishment? Or is it deeper than that?
Maybe the insanely graphic blood & guts computer games play a part in it?
I can not imagine what the experience of having to endure this stuff is like for you all, not only from the kids, from the adults too.
I was reading another thread about a social centre manager stopping someone taking photos, eve with the parents concent.
Somewhere else here, a fella being challenged and abused taking pics of his own child and an hysterical mother and father threatening all manner of retribution, or maybe that was an article my old Dad sent me from a tabloid.
Having said that, I do see some fabulous street photography on here without any mention of abuse or ridicule.
Is it isolated or rife I wonder?
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The hysteria is usually worse when there are predominantly kids about, so you don't get too much aggro from parents as long as your not poking your lens into the prams! The rest seems to be down to the belief that if it's on the telly it must be true, if it's in the papers it must be true, if it's on the internet it's true! Parents are convinced that their kids are be watched by pervs all the time and photographers are an easy target. Council staff then adopt a play it safe attitude to avoid getting their own aggro from those same parents.
 
I've had a bit of an insite in to today's teens recently as my Mum's working in a school.

I'm not far out of my teens myself yet I still can't believe that my Mum has come home about 3 times in the past 2-3 weeks telling us another teacher had been assaulted. :eek:

She keeps telling us how she's scared to be out of her office when the kids are out of class. There's knives being confiscated left, right and centre and one that I'd never heard of before, this is just an average secondary school, they have a police officer on site :| yet even they can't touch the kids, all they're there for is to take reports etc. if there's an 'incident' :bang:

When I was in school, a whole 5 years ago I never heard of anyone assaulting teachers, there were some rough 'uns at our school but I never heard of knives being confiscated, mobiles yes, weapons no.

Another story to finish, to show how parents are to blame as well. I was talking to a woman I used to work with a couple of months back, she was telling me that her daughter had got an ASBO. Apparently she was up for 22 offences but they 'only' did her for 9 :shrug: Well that must be alright then :bang:

What can we really expect from society when the only people that can discipline kids is their parents but the parent's can't be bothered and find it easier to look at the good side ie. 'only' getting done for 9 things instead of 22 :bang:
 
I remember the BBc doing a series 2 or 3 years ago ,I think it was called A Picture of Britain, where 3 pairs, 1 a Pro tog & 1 an Am tog, were given camera phones, compact cmeras & dslr's, and then given certain assignments to photograph with their allotted bit of kit. Without fail the teams given the compacts & camera phones (despite quality issues) said how easy it was to capture natural looking images of people because they were in most cases unaware of being photographed, whereas people were aware of and felt uneasy in front of the dslr. Therefore if you are a pervert surely you would be more likely to carry a high res mobile phone, or am I wrong?
 
diggerz said:
Therefore if you are a pervert surely you would be more likely to carry a high res mobile phone, or am I wrong?
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From what I can make of the things I've read here, logic doesn't play any part in any of it.
I have to confess to one incident out here involving my snapping a couple of pictures near Leon Airport, the Gendarmerie stopped me and did have a few choice comments and questions as to my behaviour and threatened to confiscate my kit.:suspect:
Understandable under the circumstances... I was driving up the motorway at the time and tried to catch a transport plane as it suddenly swooped over the road in front of me.
Still keep a camera in front with me though, just check for dark blue cars/bikes before I grab it now.

I do wonder if the contagion of suspicion will wader across the channel, alas, we Brits don't have such a good reputation over here, summer visitors can be pretty gross in their behaviour.
 
Kerioak said:
Surprised you got away with even touching children let alone hugging them as most Santa's are not allowed to touch these days even in the presence of their parents and if the parents request it
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and this is one of the reasons teens are so disruptive and hateful about everything, because there not brought up like most of us were, as in when i was growing up (im still only 22) i never stayed in playing on computers watching tv ALL day long, i used to got out and go on bike rides with mates and such like. most teens now just go out at nite and not in the day get ****ed and cause trouble, i went out with some mates and my sister and brother-in-law all who are late 20 early 30s for a drink and as we were walking to go for a meal were being followed and taunted by a group of about 10 teens not much older than 16 all of them shouting and cussing us all because we walked passed them in the street, and given there was about 20 of us all aged from 22 to 35 they had no respect for any of us, until my brother-in-law turned and started walking back towards them after he'd had enough of the unprovoked abuse he asked what there problem was, and his reply was ''we've got nothing better to do'' :bang: they then all just went away hurling abuse as they went. :cuckoo:
they need to be tought to respect people as most people do.
 
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