AI and advertising

If I was a professional Photographer or Illustrator, I would be very concerned. However as an amateur, I am less so. In my Camera Club competitions as well as national and international competitions, AI is banned. I have also noticed that another forum I am in has also banned AI and anyone submitting an AI image will be expelled. An issue at this time is how to recognise an AI image; I believe that software will soon be available to identify AI images. One side effect is that some genuine photographers have been falsely accused of using AI images.

Dave
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Not in the least.

There are several instances of both brides and grooms being returned, when the reality didn't live up to advertising. There have even been conflicts caused by paintings, which presented certain claims that were strongly disputed by others present at the event illustrated.
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Some years back we had a bald groom, complain he didnt have any hair in his wedding photos, seriously! We offered to give him hair at X price per pic.... he decided against it. Some people baffle me.
 
Dave Canon said:
If I was a professional Photographer or Illustrator, I would be very concerned. However as an amateur, I am less so. In my Camera Club competitions as well as national and international competitions, AI is banned. I have also noticed that another forum I am in has also banned AI and anyone submitting an AI image will be expelled. An issue at this time is how to recognise an AI image; I believe that software will soon be available to identify AI images. One side effect is that some genuine photographers have been falsely accused of using AI images.

Dave
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Even at our camera club there has been some debate, such as a member using photoshops AI to remove a very modern car from behind some railings in an image of a steam locomotive on the main line. The area concerned was less than 5% of the image.
 
Mozthecat said:
Even at our camera club there has been some debate, such as a member using photoshops AI to remove a very modern car from behind some railings in an image of a steam locomotive on the main line. The area concerned was less than 5% of the image.
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The very real and present danger from AI is the ease with which it could and indeed has been used to sell lies. I for one would be in favour of banning it in Britain but I daresay many will tell me that boat has sailed. :(
 
Mozthecat said:
Even at our camera club there has been some debate, such as a member using photoshops AI to remove a very modern car from behind some railings in an image of a steam locomotive on the main line. The area concerned was less than 5% of the image.
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The fact is that he did not need to use AI to "improve" his image; he could have done this using standard image editing tools such as cloning. Or was it really AI? Many of the plug-ins produced in the last 5 years had AI attached to the name for marketing reasons but they did not replace your pixels with an image constructed from other images from the internet. This topic will continue to be sensitive where some try to achieve the results by skill and hard work but other may take a big short cut. If only the output matters this is probably not a problem but if the process matters then taking a short cut is cheating.

Dave
 
Dave Canon said:
The fact is that he did not need to use AI to "improve" his image; he could have done this using standard image editing tools such as cloning. Or was it really AI? Many of the plug-ins produced in the last 5 years had AI attached to the name for marketing reasons but they did not replace your pixels with an image constructed from other images from the internet. This topic will continue to be sensitive where some try to achieve the results by skill and hard work but other may take a big short cut. If only the output matters this is probably not a problem but if the process matters then taking a short cut is cheating.

Dave
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One of the LR removal tools appears to generate a replacement section based on what is in the image that's not just a simple cloning. It was a bit hit or miss when introduced, but is much better in the latest version. I used it on an image yesterday, and while I could have patched the area by hand, I couldn't have generated such a clean removal.
 
I have also used the LR/PS tools as they do use pixels from your own image so it is still all your copyright. As I said this topic will remain controversial.

Dave
 
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