Ah well at least they died doing something they loved.....

I can't argue with the thread title, perhaps they did die doing something they loved. I would argue that they had a very underdeveloped sense of self preservation, and after the event If it were possible to ask them if it was worth it I doubt that they'd say it was. Obviously we can't ask, and it was clearly, at least for the runners, their choice to take the risk irrespective of the consequence to themselves and their families.
I suspect it's easy to get caught up with the excitement of the event and this coupled with the fact that it's a national activity makes it seem more normal than it would in many other countries.

so... to paraphrase somewhat, I'll defend to the death (well perhaps not quite to the death) their right to do it, but I think they're absolutely barmy even considering it in the first place!
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
You really are making no sense. To say these people deserved to die is sick.
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Deserve (Oxford English Dictionary) : Do something or have or show qualities worthy of (a reaction which rewards or punishes as appropriate)
It's a word and by definition they met it's meaning bang on. The only thing that is sick about it is the mistreatment of the animal in the first place. Why is the human life so much more important than that of the animal. **** tradition, **** culture, it's needless and cruel. It's not a simple race, lets all run around the streets and race this bull, if we get across the line first, we get a medal, if the bull crosses the line first he gets a medal. Get a grip, it's mindless cruelty of an animal with the means to seriously injure or kill someone. It's pretty much inevitable if you can't run fast enough. So get off your pompous high horse and see it for what it really is.
 
boyfalldown said:
Answer the question, instead of avoiding it :)

And you mentioned innocent bystanders, I just pointed out one of those had been killed too. No idea about precautions...not sure how it's relevant anyway
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Was the person injured a bystander/spectator or someone (innocent bystander) oblivious to what was going on just walking down the street going about their daily business? If the former they are no better than the runners, no thought for their own safety and part of the cruelty. If the latter, then no they don't deserve the consequences.

boyfalldown said:
If they were anything like the participants in other risky sports I've known then no, they don't deserve to die. But like everybody who's ever taken part in any risky activity the accept that accidents can and do happen and aren't surprised when they do
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So what are these other dangerous sports where something or someone is trying to hurt or kill them?
 
nilagin said:
Was the person injured a bystander/spectator or someone (innocent bystander) oblivious to what was going on just walking down the street going about their daily business? If the former they are no better than the runners, no thought for their own safety and part of the cruelty. If the latter, then no they don't deserve the consequences.


So what are these other dangerous sports where something or someone is trying to hurt or kill them?
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Presume you read the article?

As for you other question are you that obtuse? Did I say something was trying to kill them. Notice you still haven't managed to answer my original question
 
boyfalldown said:
Presume you read the article?

As for you other question are you that obtuse? Did I say something was trying to kill them. Notice you still haven't managed to answer my original question
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No haven't for some reason talk photography doesn't always play nice, I could sit here all day clicking on links and nothing happens, go on other sites and everything works fine.
As for your question, it wasn't my comment, but I can empathise why people will have such a reaction, it's good news for the poor tormented bull, he gets a little bit of satisfaction for his tortured efforts.
Now answer my question, What are these other dangerous sports where another person or animal is trying to kill people whether out of fear, anger or mistreatment?
You can take a perfectly placid dog, keep mistreating it and pushing it's buttons, and given the chance by instinct it will retaliate. Same goes with a human being, keep goading them, keep pushing the wrong buttons and you can expect retaliation, with a human, you can hope that heir instinct will stop them short of killing you, with an animal, you are not likely to be so fortunate.
 
nilagin said:
No haven't for some reason talk photography doesn't always play nice, I could sit here all day clicking on links and nothing happens, go on other sites and everything works fine.
As for your question, it wasn't my comment, but I can empathise why people will have such a reaction, it's good news for the poor tormented bull, he gets a little bit of satisfaction for his tortured efforts.
Now answer my question, What are these other dangerous sports where another person or animal is trying to kill people whether out of fear, anger or mistreatment?
You can take a perfectly placid dog, keep mistreating it and pushing it's buttons, and given the chance by instinct it will retaliate. Same goes with a human being, keep goading them, keep pushing the wrong buttons and you can expect retaliation, with a human, you can hope that heir instinct will stop them short of killing you, with an animal, you are not likely to be so fortunate.
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It showed you hadn't read it.and I never mentioned animals talking about other risky sports. That's your words.
 
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nilagin said:
Deserve (Oxford English Dictionary) : Do something or have or show qualities worthy of (a reaction which rewards or punishes as appropriate)
It's a word and by definition they met it's meaning bang on. The only thing that is sick about it is the mistreatment of the animal in the first place. Why is the human life so much more important than that of the animal. **** tradition, **** culture, it's needless and cruel. It's not a simple race, lets all run around the streets and race this bull, if we get across the line first, we get a medal, if the bull crosses the line first he gets a medal. Get a grip, it's mindless cruelty of an animal with the means to seriously injure or kill someone. It's pretty much inevitable if you can't run fast enough. So get off your pompous high horse and see it for what it really is.
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:LOL::kiss:
 
boyfalldown said:
It showed you hadn't read it.and I never mentioned animals talking about other risky sports. That's your words.
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So the analogy was stupid because it was in no way comparable.
I've now been able to read it. Changes nothing. You can't plead with a charging bull that doesn't realise you don't want to be gored. They are only blaming the unusually high number of fatalities on the use of larger bulls normally destined for bull fighting (just as bad) but intimates that deaths still occur, so I stand by point, p*** off a bull, suffer the consequences. What do you expect to happen, the bulls walk up to the runners after the event and give them a jolly good old slap on the back for being such jolly good sports.
 
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To be honest, the title of the thread would probably be more accurate if it were to read: "Ah well, at least they died doing something that sounded like it would be a bloody good laugh at the time....Oops".
 
Ricardodaforce said:
What sport? This thread is not about any sport. The link posted was about deaths that have occurred in local fiestas.
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I only called it a sport because you made an (poor) analogy to a sport in reply to my earlier statement. Sport or Festival, doesn't really matter what you call it, it changes nothing.
 
dejongj said:
I think it is a great spectacle. Nice to see the Bulls winning :)

I wonder what the British version could be of this? Geordie women on a hen night run? Doesn't roll of the tongue....
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Excuse me but why Geordie women?
 
As it happens I have been in Pamplona for the San Fermin Fiesta many years ago. My ex husband was Spanish and spent some years as a youngster living in Pamplona, and coincidentally my son is there now sorting out some property inheritance. The bull running happens at the end if the week of celebration if I remember correctly. I hasten to add I didn't see the final of this running only the beginning as it's not something I agree with nor did my husband. The bull running excluded the fiesta is a colourful exciting festival and good humoured.
 
Maggie52 said:
As it happens I have been in Pamplona for the San Fermin Fiesta many years ago. My ex husband was Spanish and spent some years as a youngster living in Pamplona, and coincidentally my son is there now sorting out some property inheritance. The bull running happens at the end if the week of celebration if I remember correctly. I hasten to add I didn't see the final of this running only the beginning as it's not something I agree with nor did my husband. The bull running excluded the fiesta is a colourful exciting festival and good humoured.
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It happens every morning at 8am local time. The bulls and accompanying steers are run from the corral to the plaza de toros.
 
Maggie52 said:
Excuse me but why Geordie women?
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Because;

A. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand.
B. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand
C. Go to A

:)
 
dejongj said:
Because;

A. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand.
B. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand
C. Go to A

:)
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...just off to get some popcorn...


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dejongj said:
Because;

A. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand.
B. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand
C. Go to A

:)
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Same can be said for any town in the land...big and small.
 
viv1969 said:
Same can be said for any town in the land...big and small.
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Disagree; been out many a time in Virginia Water, Aldeburgh, Thorpeness, Christchurch, heck even London and Liverpool to name a few...That was truly a unique experience.

BTW I didn't say it was a bad experience did I? I'd go back, just like I wouldn't mind going to a bull run...
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It happens every morning at 8am local time. The bulls and accompanying steers are run from the corral to the plaza de toros.
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Of course yes, it must have been in the 70s when I was there and our sons were toddlers:) What I remember most vividly is the singing and dancing, everyone dressed in red and white, the finale where everyone crowded into the square holding a candle.
 
dejongj said:
Disagree; been out many a time in Virginia Water, Aldeburgh, Thorpeness, Christchurch, heck even London and Liverpool to name a few...That was truly a unique experience.

BTW I didn't say it was a bad experience did I? I'd go back, just like I wouldn't mind going to a bull run...
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You think they don't host their fair share of raucous hen (and stag) nights? Liverpool? Really? :ROFLMAO:
 
viv1969 said:
You think they don't host their fair share of raucous hen (and stag) nights? Liverpool? Really? :ROFLMAO:
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It's been rather tame there in the 7 years that I lived there for 4 days per week...Other than being shot at twice but that wasn't a hen party...
 
dejongj said:
It's been rather tame there in the 7 years that I lived there for 4 days per week...Other than being shot at twice but that wasn't a hen party...
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Gotta give that person the benefit of the doubt :lol: ;) :p
 
dejongj said:
Because;

A. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand.
B. I've been there on a stag night and experienced it first hand
C. Go to A

:)
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Yes agreed you wouldn't go to Newcastle city centre for the culture at a weekend :exit:but I know it's not the only city where the hen and stags let their hair down :beer:

By the way Geordie women have also been known to hold a grudge so watch your back :bat::p
 
Maggie52 said:
Yes agreed you wouldn't go to Newcastle city centre for the culture at a weekend :exit:but I know it's not the only city where the hen and stags let their hair down :beer:

By the way Geordie women have also been known to hold a grudge so watch your back :bat::p
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Why this negativity? Did I ever say it is a bad thing? All they wanted was a kiss and cuddle and ....
 
crofter said:
Quite,the more people that off themselves doing stupid things the better, more room for everyone else.
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I bet you're often wedged shoulder to shoulder with Spanish folk in Pamplona wishing you had more room to swing yourself around in eh!
 
Mundotoro have published an article about these events. There were 15,848 local events featuring bulls in 2014 (we are not talking bullfights here). Assuming that there will be a similar amount this year, the 11 fatalities to date this year indicate that deaths are actually a rare occurance. That's not much comfort to the grieving families of course.
 
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