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Currently have a Canon 1100D - The aim when buying this was to improve quality of my 'snaps' albeit I knew I was never going to be a 'pro'
I am finding camera is staying in car a lot due to size - ideal looking for a smaller camera hence the Mirror-less ( i already have a Sony HX9V compact)
I have read various threads & reviews and I know I need to 'hold' the camera's BUT just looking for some guidance
USE:- General photo's / Landscapes / buildings- Budget say £600 max- New, needs an EVF ( don't like having to use a screen) + SIMPLE to use
Been looking at Sony A6000, Olympus OMD10 & Panasonic-
very much appreciate some guidance
Thanks
 
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sigma dp merrill will give you stunning pics in good light, but no evf :-(
 
Yeah good choices look at the Fuji x range also.
 
Does it need to be an interchangeable lens camera? Your list of interests don't indicate a need for a long telephoto, so maybe a fixed-lens camera might suit you better?
Look at the Sony RX100, Canon G7X, Fuji x30, Panasonic LX100 etc.
Less likely to be left in the car if it fits in a jacket pocket.
 
Graham Hoare said:
Currently have a Canon 1100D - The aim when buying this was to improve quality of my 'snaps' albeit I knew I was never going to be a 'pro'
I am finding camera is staying in car a lot due to size - ideal looking for a smaller camera hence the Mirror-less ( i already have a Sony HX9V compact)
I have read various threads & reviews and I know I need to 'hold' the camera's BUT just looking for some guidance
USE:- General photo's / Landscapes / buildings- Budget say £600 max- New, needs an EVF ( don't like having to use a screen) + SIMPLE to use
Been looking at Sony A6000, Olympus OMD10 & Panasonic-
very much appreciate some guidance
Thanks
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I honestly don't think that changing one entry level camera for another will change anything. You need some inspiration and ideas or a decent bag, or probably both.

All of them are dead SIMPLE to use if you understand the very basics, ie. the exposure triangle.
 
I have had a succession of mirrorless a fuji and a 4/3 and ended up with a Samsung NX2000 ..none of them are very satisfactory as they wont go in your pocket and the rear sscreen is a pain ...but much lighter to sling on a shoulder..So from your list the OMD10 is the best . My neibour has one and I have been quite impressed but I wanted a holiday camera rather than a mini DSLR..
 
Out of the cameras you have selected I would personally choose the Sony A6000.

I haven't owned or used one but i am also looking to buy a camera and I had a hard time trying to choose between the A6000 or the A77ii.

I have researched the A6000 quite a lot and it has a lot of amazing features.

You only need to look on YouTube at Gary Fong or Jason Lanier to see how good it is. Jason Lanier even switched from his pro Nikon gear to use one.


Actually the more I am thinking about it whilst writing this, I may actually get one instead of the A77ii lol.
 
if u want small n light get a6000, butif u plan to use large lenses a77ii is a much more comfortable option, evf has richer colours on a77 too, and its nicer to hold.
 
KryptoNeo said:
Out of the cameras you have selected I would personally choose the Sony A6000.

I haven't owned or used one but i am also looking to buy a camera and I had a hard time trying to choose between the A6000 or the A77ii.

I have researched the A6000 quite a lot and it has a lot of amazing features.

You only need to look on YouTube at Gary Fong or Jason Lanier to see how good it is. Jason Lanier even switched from his pro Nikon gear to use one.


Actually the more I am thinking about it whilst writing this, I may actually get one instead of the A77ii lol.
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Again not a bad view,but some of the stuff he said is at least bad advice,think what do i need not what others think or need if mirrorless suit you go for it :)
 
KryptoNeo said:
Out of the cameras you have selected I would personally choose the Sony A6000.

I haven't owned or used one but i am also looking to buy a camera and I had a hard time trying to choose between the A6000 or the A77ii.

I have researched the A6000 quite a lot and it has a lot of amazing features.

You only need to look on YouTube at Gary Fong or Jason Lanier to see how good it is. Jason Lanier even switched from his pro Nikon gear to use one.


Actually the more I am thinking about it whilst writing this, I may actually get one instead of the A77ii lol.
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Great camera pity about the lenses.
 
rjbell said:
Great camera pity about the lenses.
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That's a bit of a sweeping statement really. I'm not an owner myself but from what I've read some of the lenses seem to be rather good. Every range has its relative dogs and its ho hum amongst the good stuff and I'm sure Sony are no exception but to write off the whole range in one all encompassing sentence seems a little rash IMVHO.
 
woof woof said:
That's a bit of a sweeping statement really. I'm not an owner myself but from what I've read some of the lenses seem to be rather good. Every range has its relative dogs and its ho hum amongst the good stuff and I'm sure Sony are no exception but to write off the whole range in one all encompassing sentence seems a little rash IMVHO.
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The problem is APS-C sensor cameras usually have bigger lenses than micro 4/3. The camera body is just one part of the equation. The lens is usually a bigger part. That is one of the reason why I chose micro 4/3. Lenses are small and incredibly sharp.

Someone also mentioned the LX100. I played a bit with it in Montreal photo expo yesterday and it is an awesome camera. It will be my walk around camera when it comes out later this year.
 
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The problem is APS-C sensor cameras usually have bigger lenses than micro 4/3. The camera body is just one part of the equation. The lens is usually a bigger part. That is one of the reason why I chose micro 4/3. Lenses are small and incredibly sharp.

Someone also mentioned the LX100. I played a bit with it in Montreal photo expo yesterday and it is an awesome camera. It will be my walk around camera when it comes out later this year.
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My comment was about the quality of the lenses, not the size. Size wise I'm pretty sure that a 6000 with a normalish prime will be in spitting distance size wise of my GX7 + a similar lens. No doubt it's possible to go to extremes but I'm not particularly interested in using sometime like a 70-200mm f2.8 as I prefer smallish primes and in that regard I don't think that the Sony Nex line looks too humongous against my GX7. Much of a muchness INVHO.
 
I tried the top olympus camera with the 2.8 std zoom, I wasn't impressed with the iq. My dp3 was a ton better, oly did better skin tones as it was soft in comparison. Everything else was very nice tho
 
My vote would be either an Oly E-M1/5/10 or Fujifilm X-T1.
m4/3rds has some excellent primes and zooms, in particular the Oly 12-40 is a lovely zoom, weather and dust resistant and sharp corner to corner. The newly released 40-150 is looking like a must have piece of glass too.
The Fujifilm's lens catalogue is developing nicely too, some impressive quality glass there. I've owned the 14, 35, 60, 18-55 and 55-200 and can vouch for their quality.
 
woof woof said:
That's a bit of a sweeping statement really. I'm not an owner myself but from what I've read some of the lenses seem to be rather good. Every range has its relative dogs and its ho hum amongst the good stuff and I'm sure Sony are no exception but to write off the whole range in one all encompassing sentence seems a little rash IMVHO.
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Yeah you are right not very helpful.

If you subtract the Zeiss for being just to expensive (and rather average reviews on the touit) and some others that are just plain crap, you're left with very little. If you add compactness to your criteria too and many would because its meant to be a compact system. You're left with even less, or nothing. Sigma has come to the rescue though with there primes. There is also the legacy option if you don't mind shooting in manual.
 
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There seem to be more decently sharp wideish zooms for the m4/3rds system, which would bring the OMD e-M10 to the front of the list, but you're going to be buying at least one new lens :(
I suggest a really good compact but with a wide-enough min focal length ... that's research I haven't done myself. Sony, Canon, Panasonic, Fuji : all make them but check the focal length equivalences and lens sharpness tests.
 
rjbell said:
Yeah you are right not very helpful.

If you subtract the Zeiss for being just to expensive (and rather average reviews on the touit) and some others that are just plain crap, you're left with very little. If you add compactness to your criteria too and many would because its meant to be a compact system. You're left with even less, or nothing. Sigma has come to the rescue though with there primes. There is also the legacy option if you don't mind shooting in manual.
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Oh, I see, lets throw out anything which contradicts your view and only include the pedestrian stuff which proves your point? That's intelligent :D and I'm sure we could do the same for any system on the market :ty:
 
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woof woof said:
Oh, I see, lets throw out anything which contradicts your view and only include the pedestrian stuff which proves your point? That's intelligent :D and I'm sure we could do the same for any system on the market :ty:
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Well discount Zeiss not on price but because they're Zeiss not Sony if that makes my opinion any fairer.
 
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rjbell said:
Well discount Zeiss not on price but because they're Zeiss not Sony if that makes you feel better.
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It's not a question of feeling better but more of being fair and having an open mind and having an open mind I'd include Zeiss.

Personally I've gone for MFT and Sony A7 and I've only used one Nex, a 6. A couple of family members have smaller Nex models and I have to say that the results look very good indeed and reading the reviews there does seem enough quality in the system IMVHO, at least to satisfy me. Some of the kit type zooms may be rather ho hum but you can say that of any system for example look at Canon kit zooms... and look away quickly :D

If going for a Nex I'd go for a 6000 or the upcoming Nex 7 replacement and once either of those is kitted out with a 28, 50 and 85 equivalent prime with a macro added I'm pretty sure that I'd be more than happy :D
 
woof woof said:
It's not a question of feeling better but more of being fair and having an open mind and having an open mind I'd include Zeiss.

Personally I've gone for MFT and Sony A7 and I've only used one Nex, a 6. A couple of family members have smaller Nex models and I have to say that the results look very good indeed and reading the reviews there does seem enough quality in the system IMVHO, at least to satisfy me. Some of the kit type zooms may be rather ho hum but you can say that of any system for example look at Canon kit zooms... and look away quickly :D

If going for a Nex I'd go for a 6000 or the upcoming Nex 7 replacement and once either of those is kitted out with a 28, 50 and 85 equivalent prime with a macro added I'm pretty sure that I'd be more than happy :D
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I had corrected it while you were typing your reply.

I should have also said pity about their lenses rather than the lenses.
 
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Thanks for Input- will be trying to handle- Olympus OMD 10, Panasonic GX7 & Sony A6000
Will be looking at size, IQ & 'simplicity' to use
 
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