Adult Puma Sighted in Scotland

That's extremely poor footage. My CCTV system is pretty good at night, and even my cheap trail camera gives better results. I think it's hard from that clip to define what it actually is, sure looks like a big cat, but could also be a dog of some sort.
 
That's extremely poor footage. My CCTV system is pretty good at night, and even my cheap trail camera gives better results. I think it's hard from that clip to define what it actually is, sure looks like a big cat, but could also be a dog of some sort.

I agree the quality is poor, but I'm pretty sure you can see the length of the tail and the structure should rule out a dog. There are numerous big cats in the UK, although where they come from is anyone's guess, they could be zoo or pet escapes or pets abandoned.

If you know where the animal is, and it's feeding habits, I would have thought setting up a camera trap would be fairly straight forward.?
 
I was thinking that a stray (under fed) short haired dog could look similar in a clip of this quality, but your point about the length of the tail makes a lot of sense.
 
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I've always suspected this - but not in Larkhall
Thought it was Bears in Larkhall WATP :LOL: :LOL:

There's been quite a few sightings over the years.
An old workmate of mine lived out in the sticks (Aberdeenshire) and said he had spotted something similar on a number of occasions.
Even found paw prints and neighbouring farms reported a few of their sheep with throat injuries or worse.
Mind you, this was around 20 years ago.
 
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Looks like a domestic cat on a fence to me.
 
I was wondering how you could make it out - the video seemed poor. @Dale. seemed to have a much better rig for capturing a fox.

Anyone in the area - set your stuff up as the Puma is coming.


We have Blink CCTV that the fox triggers when he comes in. I also use a trailcam.

On the big cat theme, we've had large cats here. Now whether or not they are large domestic cats or actually wild, I don't know. We'd not been living here long and I experienced 'something' slinking over our fence, which is 6 foot tall. It was too big for a domestic cat and it growled.

A few years ago, my Wife and I were walking the dogs at a remote spot that we used to take them everyday. We saw something on the track in the distance, near to where we'd left the car. No sign of it when we got there a few minutes later. There's probably a rational explanation for all this but I am open minded.

Last week, we got this on the Blink, probably 2 domestic moggies but I've never seen 2 together like this and both black. One looks smaller and younger to the other. The one that walked along my daughter's pool, you can see its ears just above the top edge of the pool. That pool is 16 inches tall. Pumas they are not but they are near fox size.

They have a wild sense about them. :thinking:

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.



View: https://youtu.be/aQYJEaXi3Cs
 
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@Dale. - they seem longer bodied but could be a pair of big domestic cats or a bobcat. Where I live there has been rumours of a big cat doing the rounds.

Normal cat's don't growl though - so the thing on the fence is either a wild cat or the Puma of Larkhall :D
 
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Depends what you mean by growl. Some cat breeds are quite vocal.
 
I rewatched that video from the news - that "cat" is huge - massive - no way a dog. The tail is very different to a dogs. I'd go with the experts here. It would be a scary encounter if you were out walking and were greeted by that
 
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I still want to know what he was "cited" for? Being a feline in a dog zone, perhaps? :naughty:
 
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This is my guess, I have one with a tail and she's a git, they are the type of dog you exercise in the dead of night if they haven't been well socialised as pups.
 
I rewatched that video from the news - that "cat" is huge - massive - no way a dog. The tail is very different to a dogs. I'd go with the experts here. It would be a scary encounter if you were out walking and were greeted by that
Yes. I don’t get people saying it’s walking on the fence, it’s clearly the other side, you can see the pointed fence palings. If you had access to the site the angle from the camera to the fence might be instructive for scale. At one point you can see the tail and it does look very big-cat like. Although it is such a crappy security camera video it does look like it could fit a puma etc.
it’s very hard to judge size from these IR blurry video cams. Mine’s better than that but on the IR I can’t tell if I’m seeing moths or bats (plenty of bats here usually).

The fact she has a dog is a plus for it being a big-cat, dogs being favourite fodder for them and ’normal’ cats tend to avoid gardens with dogs.

On the whole my vote goes to big-cat:). I think I’m right in saying that a dead puma or two have been found in the past, supposedly dating from when the licensing of “dangerous wild animals” came in?
 
We have Blink CCTV that the fox triggers when he comes in. I also use a trailcam.

On the big cat theme, we've had large cats here. Now whether or not they are large domestic cats or actually wild, I don't know. We'd not been living here long and I experienced 'something' slinking over our fence, which is 6 foot tall. It was too big for a domestic cat and it growled.

A few years ago, my Wife and I were walking the dogs at a remote spot that we used to take them everyday. We saw something on the track in the distance, near to where we'd left the car. No sign of it when we got there a few minutes later. There's probably a rational explanation for all this but I am open minded.

Last week, we got this on the Blink, probably 2 domestic moggies but I've never seen 2 together like this and both black. One looks smaller and younger to the other. The one that walked along my daughter's pool, you can see its ears just above the top edge of the pool. That pool is 16 inches tall. Pumas they are not but they are near fox size.

They have a wild sense about them. :thinking:

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.



View: https://youtu.be/aQYJEaXi3Cs
They look like domestic cats to me. However, there are some very big domestic ‘breeds’ of cat. We had one here several years ago and you would be forgiven for thinking it was some sort of smallish “big-cat”. It ended up dead on my grass verge one (rta presumably) and it was interesting to see that though it had a large frame it was quite skinny.
 
They look like domestic cats to me. However, there are some very big domestic ‘breeds’ of cat. We had one here several years ago and you would be forgiven for thinking it was some sort of smallish “big-cat”. It ended up dead on my grass verge one (rta presumably) and it was interesting to see that though it had a large frame it was quite skinny.

It looks as big as the fence in the grainy picture...big tail....



Dunno but all in the same approx locale - and these big cats can span huge distances. There's probably a family of them in SW central belt.
 
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This is my guess, I have one with a tail and she's a git, they are the type of dog you exercise in the dead of night if they haven't been well socialised as pups.
Jeezo!!
No wonder you are billy nomates. I'd imagine people would give you a wide berth when out exercising them :LOL: :LOL:
 
Jeezo!!
No wonder you are billy nomates. I'd imagine people would give you a wide berth when out exercising them :LOL: :LOL:

The footage is grainy...but the tail looks like a feline tail - something about the way it moves, its length etc and the size of it. It was also completely alone - not a dog walker out on a late one. Properly in the garden. Very feline.
 
Yes. I don’t get people saying it’s walking on the fence, it’s clearly the other side, you can see the pointed fence palings. If you had access to the site the angle from the camera to the fence might be instructive for scale. At one point you can see the tail and it does look very big-cat like. Although it is such a crappy security camera video it does look like it could fit a puma etc.
it’s very hard to judge size from these IR blurry video cams. Mine’s better than that but on the IR I can’t tell if I’m seeing moths or bats (plenty of bats here usually).

The fact she has a dog is a plus for it being a big-cat, dogs being favourite fodder for them and ’normal’ cats tend to avoid gardens with dogs.

On the whole my vote goes to big-cat:). I think I’m right in saying that a dead puma or two have been found in the past, supposedly dating from when the licensing of “dangerous wild animals” came in?

I agree. I see a big cat there.


There is precedence for a Puma in Scotland

 
It looks as big as the fence in the grainy picture...big tail....



Dunno but all in the same approx locale - and these big cats can span huge distances. There's probably a family of them in SW central belt.
That second link says:
When big cats were banned as pets in the 1970s, it was legal to release them into the countryside to avoid expensive rehoming costs. Owners from across the UK travelled to areas like Wales to release their cats in the remote environment, where small but significant populations have thrived ever since.

I‘m not certain but it seems very unlikely that was true, it would negate the whole purpose of the legislation!
 
I agree. I see a big cat there.


There is precedence for a Puma in Scotland

The first thing anyone in the area should do is to go and try to collect hair samples, particularly from the fence at the point where is crossed and the other fences. DNA would tell them what it was.
 
That second link says:
When big cats were banned as pets in the 1970s, it was legal to release them into the countryside to avoid expensive rehoming costs. Owners from across the UK travelled to areas like Wales to release their cats in the remote environment, where small but significant populations have thrived ever since.

I‘m not certain but it seems very unlikely that was true, it would negate the whole purpose of the legislation!

Not going political - but a lot of legislation is daft and easily circumvented. I believe the guy connected to Lord Lucan kept exotic Pets - Aspinal was his name, and they were legal for a time. They were then sensibly outlawed, but if you already had one you could release it.

A zoo/Safari park escape would be documented, a release of a once legal, or illegal pet, for that matter wouldn't be. I do wonder how many people import them illegally as pets, then realise they are too much to maintain, keep and just let them loose.
 
Just for info: Bobcats get their name from their short, stubby tail or 'Bob'.
 
They look like domestic cats to me.
99.9 % agree.

We had a Ragdoll, he was huge. he passed away in February. I'm not a cat man, give me a dog any day but that cat was awesome, so much so, we went out and got another, although she has turned out to be a lot smaller.
 
Not going political - but a lot of legislation is daft and easily circumvented. I believe the guy connected to Lord Lucan kept exotic Pets - Aspinal was his name, and they were legal for a time. They were then sensibly outlawed, but if you already had one you could release it.

A zoo/Safari park escape would be documented, a release of a once legal, or illegal pet, for that matter wouldn't be. I do wonder how many people import them illegally as pets, then realise they are too much to maintain, keep and just let them loose.
Gambler John Aspinall bought and owned a bona fidelity zoo in Kent, it’s still going as far as I know. Famous for all the keepers that get killed!

Agree legislation often daft but can’t see it would be legal to turn lions or elephants loose :(.
 
Bailey, our Raggy, not a small cat by any means. You might be forgiven for thinking he was something else, slinking over a fence, in the dead of night on iffy CCTV footage.

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Yes. I don’t get people saying it’s walking on the fence, it’s clearly the other side, you can see the pointed fence palings. If you had access to the site the angle from the camera to the fence might be instructive for scale. At one point you can see the tail and it does look very big-cat like. Although it is such a crappy security camera video it does look like it could fit a puma etc.
it’s very hard to judge size from these IR blurry video cams. Mine’s better than that but on the IR I can’t tell if I’m seeing moths or bats (plenty of bats here usually).

The fact she has a dog is a plus for it being a big-cat, dogs being favourite fodder for them and ’normal’ cats tend to avoid gardens with dogs.

On the whole my vote goes to big-cat:). I think I’m right in saying that a dead puma or two have been found in the past, supposedly dating from when the licensing of “dangerous wild animals” came in?

I'm confused, unless I've not followed this thread correctly which there is every chance of! If we are still referring to the original Daily Record link from the first post then the cat is on the fence.

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I'm confused, unless I've not followed this thread correctly which there is every chance of! If we are still referring to the original Daily Record link from the first post then the cat is on the fence.

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The Daily Record site is truly horrible :(. If you are only seeing that shot I’m not surprised you think the cat is on the fence. That’s where the video starts and in the video, if anything, it seems to be ‘looking over’ the 3 foot fence! As the video plays you can see the neighbours garden between the fence and the cat, it then jumps over the fence at the very bottom of the screen.

The video often refuses to play for me and then goes to ads. Maybe it’ll be on YouTube? The thing that is odd is why there is no footage before but that happens if the camera is movement activated rather than continuous :(.
 
Here it is on YouTube:

EDIT, deleted clip, it rubbish just the screenshot you posted earlier that someone is pirating and no video!
 
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The Daily Record site is truly horrible :(. If you are only seeing that shot I’m not surprised you think the cat is on the fence. That’s where the video starts and in the video, if anything, it seems to be ‘looking over’ the 3 foot fence! As the video plays you can see the neighbours garden between the fence and the cat, it then jumps over the fence at the very bottom of the screen.

The video often refuses to play for me and then goes to ads. Maybe it’ll be on YouTube? The thing that is odd is why there is no footage before but that happens if the camera is movement activated rather than continuous :(.

Nope I've watched the video a few times before posting and I'm not on the fence about it the cat is though. Even the article states that on numerous occasions. When the cat appears to look over the fence it's shoulders are in front of the fence and I can still see it's front feet.
 
Now this is my local Puma (23:02 on 16/8/21), I didn’t know why the dog was going mad until I reviewed the security cam footage. I almost never get a cat in the front garden and that night there were several. Dog must have winded them through the open window in another because she had appeared to be asleep in a room with none open at the time :).

View: https://youtu.be/aYnyr6uYHQw
 
Bailey, our Raggy, not a small cat by any means. You might be forgiven for thinking he was something else, slinking over a fence, in the dead of night on iffy CCTV footage.

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His big brush would make people think “Fox” rather than” Leopard“ though. He’s a handsome beast!
 
The original crappy Larkhill video is from a Ring doorbell. Everywhere else it appears so far it is even worse quality and like the Daily Record version they don’t play easily, obscured by ads and pop-ups too :(. A pity because it seems genuinely interesting.
 
His big brush would make people think “Fox” rather than” Leopard“ though. He’s a handsome beast!


Yup, you're probably right.

He was a magnificient cat and I'm not a cat man. Sadly missed.
 
We have Blink CCTV that the fox triggers when he comes in. I also use a trailcam.

On the big cat theme, we've had large cats here. Now whether or not they are large domestic cats or actually wild, I don't know. We'd not been living here long and I experienced 'something' slinking over our fence, which is 6 foot tall. It was too big for a domestic cat and it growled.

A few years ago, my Wife and I were walking the dogs at a remote spot that we used to take them everyday. We saw something on the track in the distance, near to where we'd left the car. No sign of it when we got there a few minutes later. There's probably a rational explanation for all this but I am open minded.

Last week, we got this on the Blink, probably 2 domestic moggies but I've never seen 2 together like this and both black. One looks smaller and younger to the other. The one that walked along my daughter's pool, you can see its ears just above the top edge of the pool. That pool is 16 inches tall. Pumas they are not but they are near fox size.

They have a wild sense about them. :thinking:

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.



View: https://youtu.be/aQYJEaXi3Cs
Kellas cat. This is measured at 16 inches shoulder height. It’s stuffed of course so hard to know how well it was done but it looks ‘chunkier’ than the usual. It’s a Wild-Cat x Domestic.


 
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