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Hi All,

I am returning to photography and was looking for some advice.

I have dabbled with both Photoshop and Lightroom in the past and now coming back to photography I see Adobe are doing a monthly cloud thingy where if i'm right you can have access to both programs.

My question(s) are thus, Do you need a copy of these programs already installed on your system or do you get download versions through the cloud.
 
You download them from the cloud unless you want a stand alone version of Lightroom 6 which can be bought from amazon or downloaded from Adobe.
 
You download the new version and it "phones home" every so often to see if you've paid your monthly charge. While it does have the advantage of getting the latest suff first, the disadvantage is once you stop paying your software is dead, this may mean you won't be able to open some images depending on what other software you have.
 
You can still buy PS CS6 from the Adobe website, as well as Lightroom, both as standalone software i.e perpetual licence. The page is very hard to find, especially for PS but it is there. It's a fair chunk of change, more then £600.00 but will keep going for the foreseeable future but without updates. You can also buy Photoshop Elements which is quite cheap and may do all you want especially in conjunction with Lightroom. Some are happy with the rental version and some aren't so the choice is yours.
 
If you go the cloud route, you pay money monthly and you download the full program for PS & LR. Once you stop paying they stop working.
 
i got both am useless on ps and tbh not much better on lr but much prefer it for what i use it for
 
They just use the Adobe Cloud client program, it handles the installation and activation. It's amazing value for what you get! No prior downloads needed whatsoever btw
 
You download them from the cloud unless you want a stand alone version of Lightroom 6 which can be bought from amazon or downloaded from Adobe.

I wanted nowt to do with CC, the cloud, so I bought a stand alone copy from Amazon of LR6 on disk and installed it via a disc drive.

I'm a happy bunny.
 
Friend of mine is using the cloud version and is well happy. For me i just use Elements which seems to suit my needs.
 
PS CS6 once acquired will always work as long as it's compatible with your operating system - which isn't guaranteed with succeeding iterations of whatever OS you run. It's more about that, generally, than the indulgence of having the latest feature set.
 
You download the new version and it "phones home" every so often to see if you've paid your monthly charge. While it does have the advantage of getting the latest suff first, the disadvantage is once you stop paying your software is dead, this may mean you won't be able to open some images depending on what other software you have.

If you go the cloud route, you pay money monthly and you download the full program for PS & LR. Once you stop paying they stop working.

Regarding LR 6 / CC after cancelling subscription - It is far from dead, and doesn't stop working - you just cannot use the develop and maps modules, and mobile sync. You can still import, export, organise into collections, apply presets, develop within the quick develop tools, publish to online services, print.....
In fact it is a worthwhile app in its free ('dead') state, especially if you set up a few develop presets for those tools that are only available in the develop section.
 
Friend of mine is using the cloud version and is well happy. For me i just use Elements which seems to suit my needs.

I just got LR6CC after using, quite happily, Elements 11..it's pretty amazing how much more you can do with LR, mind you had to watch some tutorials to get my head around it!

Robin
 
If you don't go the CC route I can recommend Lightroom. I started with PS elements and 3 years ago switched to lightroom. I wish I had done it sooner, it's definitely easier to manage and edit images in.
 
I had bought Lightroom 5 and 6, but have now gone down the Monthly £8.95 paid through PayPal. It will be a few years before I'm out of pocket I think. I am approaching retirement at 58 and want to learn how to use Photoshop properly. Now looking for a college course to learn about editing properly.
 
I had bought Lightroom 5 and 6, but have now gone down the Monthly £8.95 paid through PayPal. It will be a few years before I'm out of pocket I think. I am approaching retirement at 58 and want to learn how to use Photoshop properly. Now looking for a college course to learn about editing properly.

Yes, I made the switch to CC today. I too am going to be looking for a reasonably-priced course somewhere local (mid-sussex).
 
I use the Photography program from Adobe, Oj I use LR more than PS. But the cost and continual updates, well it is just a no brainer in my mind.
 
Hi All,

I am returning to photography and was looking for some advice.

I have dabbled with both Photoshop and Lightroom in the past and now coming back to photography I see Adobe are doing a monthly cloud thingy where if i'm right you can have access to both programs.

My question(s) are thus, Do you need a copy of these programs already installed on your system or do you get download versions through the cloud.

You do not need to have copies of those programs installed on your computer in order to sign up for membership.

If you do not have any on your machine when you sign up, you can download them and install them.

If you bought the software on DVD-ROM out of a box, it would be pointless to sign up for their Cloud services.

Look at this as an example, just a rough example and the figures are just made up,

Buy Photoshop on DVD-ROM out of a box for something like £1000 and install on your machine. You paid for it, you use it as much as you like. If you don't use it for months and months, then you're wasting money on something you hardly use, like buying a book you don't even read at all. For those with money, they could buy it right away, but there are people who can't afford the one-off price tag. Bearing in mind, in a couple of years time, you may want their next new Photoshop, so an upgrade version is cheaper (say something like £300) than a full production (which could yet again cost £1000)

Paying for Creative Cloud membership means you download Photoshop for something like say £45 a month (which actually allows you to download some other software too, such as Lightroom, Illustrator, etc.,), therefore in the long run, say after a couple of years, you would have spent about more or less the same amount as if you would have paid for a full priced one. However, when their next version comes out, you could just download and install if you want to, without paying (as you're already paying membership). Trouble is that if you stopped paying membership, you wouldn't access the software until you restart paying. CC is a bit like renting Photoshop instead of buying it. Also, consider that if you stopped using Photoshop for months, you could if you want to, cancel membership.

But on the other hand, anything goes wrong with the website, web servers, although you do download and install Photoshop on your machine and use it, it is if and when your Photoshop needs to access the server to check your membership and can't confirm, that is when you would find yourself unable to use your Photoshop. But out of the box software on your machine, you just use it no matter what. Also, I found out that it seems that, out of the box one-off payment installed on one machine, and any members of your family (or friends or whoever lives with you), each having their own Windows log-on account, can access it. But the downloaded one, on one machine, only you being the one paying membership can access it. Any others via their own Windows log-on, gets to hear you say "Tough luck, you'll have to stick with boring Windows Paint"

Well, hope it helps give you some answers?
 
Hi All,

I am returning to photography and was looking for some advice.

I have dabbled with both Photoshop and Lightroom in the past and now coming back to photography I see Adobe are doing a monthly cloud thingy where if i'm right you can have access to both programs.

My question(s) are thus, Do you need a copy of these programs already installed on your system or do you get download versions through the cloud.

You can also buy a non-cloud version of Photoshop. Mine was about £450, not £1000.
 
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Hollis - how do you feel about remote learning / screenshare style tutoring? I've been toying with the idea of running a course / tutoring session online you see.

I'm ambivalent. I have tried several MOOCs on different subjects and I've enjoyed some but found it far too easy to fall behind and give up with others. I stopped being an OU tutor when they switched from F2F tutoring to online.

And screensharing would be a problem. I share my data pipe with a couple that run an information security company. Not sure they'd be keen on letting strangers in.
 
You may think so now, but you have no control over what subscription pricing may become - then they've got you by the balls.

Except that I still have stand-alone copies of LR6 and PS CS5. If I don't like the pricing I'll revert back to those.
 
Serif's Affinity Photo looks a serious rival to Adobe especially when they release a windows version.
 
I'm ambivalent. I have tried several MOOCs on different subjects and I've enjoyed some but found it far too easy to fall behind and give up with others. I stopped being an OU tutor when they switched from F2F tutoring to online.

And screensharing would be a problem. I share my data pipe with a couple that run an information security company. Not sure they'd be keen on letting strangers in.

You'd be connecting to me, rather than the other way around (Regarding the security concerns), but I am interested with respect to your prior experiences. Were they conducted as part of an online group session, or 1-to-1 ? If this starts to feel like a thread hijack, feel free to message me or move it :)
 
I am happy with Adobe Elements 10 and 11 (I have both) but then again I am not one for "messing " about with a photograph too much. The old addage "get it right in the camera first" still stands good today
 
If you want all the latest bells and whistles only CC versions have them.
Well worth the subscription.
 
Question is, do members rely too much with editing and playing with editing tweeks and less on the original photo being right in the first place? Sometimes I get the impression never mind the picture what can we do to alter it in editing?

Yes of course there may well be a need to "fix "something in a picture but do members take it too far
 
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CC represents a very good deal for me and it stopped my using "grey" versions of Photoshop. Of the two, I use Lightroom the most as it is great for cataloguing as well as basic photo editing. I only really fire up Photoshop when I'm doing some really involved black & white work or something where I need to use layers.

Adobe might put their prices up but I don't expect a huge increase as they'll just drive people back towards pirated versions (which are still readily available). If you keep prices reasonable then most people would rather pay for the lack of hassle and peace of mind that legal versions bring.
 
Serif's Affinity Photo looks a serious rival to Adobe especially when they release a windows version.
The demo looks absolutely amazing!
If they can produce a Windows version, and it supports plug-ins, it could be a killer program.
 
The demo looks absolutely amazing!
If they can produce a Windows version, and it supports plug-ins, it could be a killer program.

And, if it has even a fraction of the third-party support (books, videos, fora, etc) of PS. Otherwise it'll stand little chance of being popular with most users.
 
And, if it has even a fraction of the third-party support (books, videos, fora, etc) of PS. Otherwise it'll stand little chance of being popular with most users.
I think one of the reasons that PS has so many guides and tutorials is because of the terrible User Interface, which has developed as a result of continually having new features "tacked on" over the years.
With a new, freshly developed program, the software designers should have the opportunity to integrate the features and streamline the interface, and make operation a lot more intuitive.
I've been a long time user of PaintShop Pro (arguably the closest alternative to PS), and the UI of that is infinitely better than that of PhotoShop, it's just that PS does a lot more, once you find how to penetrate it's awful and obscure UI.
If the Serif designers have any sense, they will have kept a lot of the basic features similar in operation to those in PS and improved the UI.
 
I use Creative Cloud 2015, however, I subscribe to the Photography paid plan. It cost's me £8-75 a month and for that I get Photoshop CC and Lightroom CC. I have the latest versions of both and get all updates, new releases...whatever as soon as they become available all for £105/year. Seems a good deal to me as I use photoshop a lot (not too keen on Lightroom but I get the latest copy anyway). Have a look at the plans available from Adobe on the following link.

https://creative.adobe.com/plans?single_app=photoshop&store_code=gb&promoid=KSPGW
 
One slightly out of the way suggestion, if you're on a Mac: how about getting a non CC Lightroom and paying the £30 odd quid for Affinity Photo? I have a CC sub as I wanted PS just for a few basic retouch tasks that couldn't be done in LR. I wish I'd discovered Affinity Photo before though as it's so much easier to use than Photoshop for some reason. I am new to both PS and Affinity Photo, but the learning curve seems so much gentler to me!

Of course, doesn't help if you're on a Windows machine as Affinity is Mac only. Anyway, just a suggestion.
 
I was just asked to do a survey for Adobe. Oddly I actually did it!! It was essentially asking me about what I'd be prepared to pay for various types of plans for various Adobe apps. Based on the questions I'd say they're looking to start month by month and/or 50 day subscriptions. Costs looked like they would be a little higher for shorter commitments but it may allow for more flexibility.
 
One slightly out of the way suggestion, if you're on a Mac: how about getting a non CC Lightroom and paying the £30 odd quid for Affinity Photo? I have a CC sub as I wanted PS just for a few basic retouch tasks that couldn't be done in LR. I wish I'd discovered Affinity Photo before though as it's so much easier to use than Photoshop for some reason. I am new to both PS and Affinity Photo, but the learning curve seems so much gentler to me!

Of course, doesn't help if you're on a Windows machine as Affinity is Mac only. Anyway, just a suggestion.

I believe serif wrote software for windows prior to Mac. Not sure how their windows photo editing software compares to their affinity photo but I can say that apart from a couple of oddities and a couple of omissions, one glaring, in the software when compared to PS, affinity photo is pretty great for the money.
 
There are tons of programs that can edit photo-files. A sensible competitor to PS needs not so much bells and whistles, but the basics of 16-bit editing with adjustment layers, and maybe cmyk too. If you know of one, let me know. Is Affinity it? But I run Windows.

Since LR (& other RAW editors) came on the scene, the need for the likes of PS is massively reduced. But for certain operations, even at a basic workmanlike level, one needs the extra dimension that PS offers.
 
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I was just asked to do a survey for Adobe. Oddly I actually did it!! It was essentially asking me about what I'd be prepared to pay for various types of plans for various Adobe apps. Based on the questions I'd say they're looking to start month by month and/or 50 day subscriptions. Costs looked like they would be a little higher for shorter commitments but it may allow for more flexibility.

Same here, just yesterday in fact. Noticed that for many of the options they were considering, the monthly payment with no commitment was priced the same as the monthly with commitment option. I made sure I checked those options!

Wasn't too sure on their thinking for a pricing model where you get so many days' usage per year as for me my usage pattern is so difficult to judge.

Good that they're thinking about other options at least.
 
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