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I was sent this – I think it is a good idea – what do you guys think


“We are hitting 123.9 a litre in some areas now; soon we will be faced with paying 2.00 a litre. So it is time to take action with a plan that can really work.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
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It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email/post/blog, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso “:bat:

As I said I didn’t write it but I think it is a good idea – can you imagine the impact if your local petrol station had no customers for a day – they would need to turn the petrol Lorries away…:lol::lol::lol:
 
I think that its a typical chain letter and should be consigned to the waste bin.

It suffers from a total misunderstanding of the economics of fuel sales and is encouraging spam.
 
i agree, and i was always under the impression that the supermarkets etc buy from these companies anyway so not buying fuel from BP stations wont really harm them in the slightest as they will be getting money from external sources anyway.
 
The e-mail has been advertized on http://www.petrolprices.com/ it looks a good idea but we should be looking at what Brown should be doing.

This year alone the amount of VAT taken by Brown has risen 12ppl due to the rising cost of fuel. He can't drop the VAT rate, but could drop fuel tax by that 12p to help us all and it would not change the amount of money he expected to get from fuel in the last buget.
 
He has a war or two to pay for, he can't afford to drop the tax on fuel.
 
^^ yeh but why are we even in the war
 
If they lower it on fuel they will just put it onto something else! At least with fuel it is almost fair in the fact that it is solely based on how much you use/buy, unlike some of the other 'blanket' taxes.
 
this email went round when it hit £1.00 a litre, it's old and crap.
 
Couple of major problems with that letter ;

- Sorry, but SELLERS control oil prices, especially from here onward. There are fewer sellers, and billions more buyers. That means, prices up. Whoever wrote that chain email may want cheap fuel, but has no grasp of what's involved.

- The cost of a litre IS cheap. We pay about $400/barrel for mineral water - why is oil expensive at 1/4 of that price? Try pushing a Hummer for 10 miles, and see if that's worth $4 for the gas to do the same job ;-)

Some specious arguments I know, but we've had it very good for a long time. Oil may go a bit down from here if speculative money is involved, but long-term the only way the price is going is up.
 
You have a choice either branded water at $400 a barrel or free unbranded water out the tap, I can't find free unbranded diesel anywhere.
 
^^^:lol: havn't you checked the tap recenetly
 
OK my tap water is not quite free it's £185 a year for as much as I want, and after I've used it they take the second hand water away as well..
 
Mazola oil.. 79p per litre.. Im getting a crate.. :thumbs:
 
whiteflyer said:
You have a choice either branded water at $400 a barrel or free unbranded water out the tap, I can't find free unbranded diesel anywhere.
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Beautifully illustrates my point - perfectly good water is FREE, yet still people happily pay $400/barrel for supposedly posh water. And bottled water has an alternative - oil doesn't.

So we can compare to ;
Beer at $500 per barrel?
Starbucks coffee at $1,400 per barrel?
Perfume at $2,000,000 per barrel?

Point is we think petrol is "cheap" simply relative to what we have become accustomed to paying, and build our lives around that price. Now that's changed. Is it "expensive"? Not relative to what we will pay for other things with far less utility.

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Forgot to mention the main point - the price of oil hasn't actually gone up. The value of money has gone down. So much "money" (credit, aka debt) was created during the boom in housing, derivatives, hedge funds, private equity, you name it). Now so much money is being created to replace the money now being deflated by the credit crunch. When you have too much of something - the value goes down. In this case the value of money goes down, relative to oil, relative to gold, silver, palladium, copper, titanium, wheat, soya, rice - anything of intrinsic value. If you look at oil priced in gold, it's barely moved. Oil priced in wheat or rice - also barely moved. If there's a "blame" to be found, look at those responsible for protecting the value of our money...
 
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fraggle101 said:
Mazola oil.. 79p per litre.. Im getting a crate.. :thumbs:
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If this gets much worse I'm getting myself a diesel and running it on veg oil and what's even better is it's now legal or so my bro was saying, you have a personal allowance per year which equates to something like 25k miles.

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Buy a small fuel efficient car ... amazing how easy it is to get back to cheap motoring ;-) and Moadip is right: consumers don't control this market. Anyone thinks they do is badly deluded. Accept the only way is up so control your costs a different way.
 
MichaelPlace said:
If this gets much worse I'm getting myself a diesel and running it on veg oil and what's even better is it's now legal or so my bro was saying, you have a personal allowance per year which equates to something like 25k miles.

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Don't buy a Nissan or Renault then (same engines), I'll quote an email I got this week after asking about bio-diesel

Nissan cannot recommend the use of home heating oil, petrol, or other
alternative fuels in your diesel engine. This is due to the possibility of
engine damage. Additionally, our Owners’ Manuals specifically mention not to use
diesel mixed with other fuels, including bio-diesel. However, the reality is
that in some parts of Europe (e.g. Germany) the only diesel available is the
standard diesel EN 590 blended with up to 5% bio diesel complying with EN14214 –
the limit allowed currently under the European standard. Our cars are therefore,
by necessity, being run on this fuel currently. However, due to the inherent
relative instability of bio diesel compared to mineral oil derived fuels, we are
still unable to recommend higher than 5% bio blends, or warrant the engine and
associated injection system if a customer decides to use such a fuel with a %
level higher than 5.
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Now the European target is a 10% bio blend, so I'm not sure what's going to happen when that's comes in. Then again I doubt that will happen now bio has been shown to be worse for the planet than using oil..
 
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Agree with Moadib.

Also with Whiteflyer. NEVER put cooking oil in a modern common rail diesel. The common rail engines run at massive high pressures and have very fine tolerances. The pumps rely on the diesel for lubrication and the injectors fire up to 12 times per cycle.
You do not want to add anything that has any impact on the lubricity or viscosity. There is also an issue with injectors gumming up with veg oil.
The bill for sorting that sort of thing will more than wipe out any saving on fuel costs.

You can run things like the old VAG or PSA diesels very well with veg oil, but dont go there with the HDi or PD engines.

One issue with 'Biodiesel' is that the quality and ingredients are too variable at the moment - especially when a fair bit of it it produced by small manufacturers. Hence the recommendation to stick to approved fuels.
 
Chain emails are just so much useless spam, no more no less.
 
........I've said it before: buy an LPG motor. Filled up a couple of days ago at 51p per litre......
 
JumboBeef said:
........I've said it before: buy an LPG motor. Filled up a couple of days ago at 51p per litre......
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yeah but for how long with it be 51p? want it like 20p or something daft when it first starting to make an appearance?
 
It was mid 40p last year: it has only gone up less than 10p since then........you can't say that about petrol/diesel.

Almost any sort of car is available already converted to LPG if you shop around, often for very little more than a non-converted one. Just pointing out anyone thinking of changing their motor should at least consider LPG.
 
I've had 2 LPG cars. Not sure I'd ever buy another one.
The performance and economy fluctuates depending on the season, as the gas stations mix the gas differently to stop it freezing.
My old 1.8 citreon did about 30mpg on petrol, and about 20-24mpg on gas depending on the season
 
badgerbaiter said:
I've had 2 LPG cars. Not sure I'd ever buy another one.
The performance and economy fluctuates depending on the season, as the gas stations mix the gas differently to stop it freezing.
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Never had that problem myself: modern LPG pumps are much better than the old ones though.

badgerbaiter said:
My old 1.8 citreon did about 30mpg on petrol, and about 20-24mpg on gas depending on the season
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Would you rather do 30mpg on 120p per litre or 20-24mpg on 51p per litre.....?
 
JumboBeef said:
Never had that problem myself: modern LPG pumps are much better than the old ones though.

Would you rather do 30mpg on 120p per litre or 20-24mpg on 51p per litre.....?
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i'd rather do 50mpg at 130p per litre of diesel tbh

i used to be a big LPG fan, and used to hate diesels, but now i'm a turncoat.

i've rented an astra diesel for this weekend because its cheaper to rent on and do 400 miles, than it is to drive my own petrol car 400 miles... crazy
 
badgerbaiter said:
i'd rather do 50mpg at 130p per litre of diesel tbh

i used to be a big LPG fan, and used to hate diesels, but now i'm a turncoat.

i've rented an astra diesel for this weekend because its cheaper to rent on and do 400 miles, than it is to drive my own petrol car 400 miles... crazy
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...but you've not saving anything by having a diesel over an LPG :shrug:

Plus LPG emites only about 10% of the particules (the real 'orrible stuff which gets into people's lungs) than a diesel, also is quiter and more powerful than a diesel motor.

(I drive all three: LPG, petrol and diesel so it is easy for me to compaire. I'd love to change the diesel to another V8 LPG).
 
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