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On a couple of occasions today I witnessed cool young men with flash cars driving along with the same thumpy auto tuned nonsense that passes for music these days blaring out. It occurred to me that these people have probably never heard a good riff, or guitar solo. I'm showing my age, of course, but isn't that sad?
 
We have a neighbour who arrives back from work with an awful din (music?) blaring out so loudly we can hear it through the double glazing:(

He sits out there for about 5 mins before shutting it off! If it's playing at that level whilst driving I don't believe 'he' can be deemed in control of the vehicle.
 
We have a neighbour who arrives back from work with an awful din (music?) blaring out so loudly we can hear it through the double glazing:(

He sits out there for about 5 mins before shutting it off! If it's playing at that level whilst driving I don't believe 'he' can be deemed in control of the vehicle.

Usually it's when they are doing 10.MPH through town with the window down. :p
 
I had a PA Cresta fitted with an 8 track blasting out Rod Stewart or The Who, cool :cool:
 
I was wondering recently why people in cars playing music too load are always listening to something awful.

There's an old guy at church who loves music quizzes and his genre is modern charts. I think mine is probably 70's / 80's.
 
I will happily listen to classical music and pop, folk and rock, even the occassional heavy metal. I don't like everything by any means but I've enjoyed sounds from every genre I've come across. Even the Salvation Army have been known to produce some music pleasing to my ears...

Salvation Army band at Guildhall precinct Exeter IMG_3552.JPG
 
Its an age thing. My parents couldn't understand most of the music I listened to. (Genesis, Yes, Kraftwerk, etc) but then I also listened to classical music as well. Now I listen to all sorts of music, including some modern stuff.
 
Has anyone noticed the rise of reaction videos on YouTube? Trained vocalist hears Led Zeppelin or Hocus Pocus by Focus etc. sometimes it's funny that they had no idea what went before.

Rick Beato (music producer and musician) has a good channel where he discussed how music has become like it is (among many other things).
 
This is so funny.

I remember my dad in about 1973ish saying, how can you listen to that mindless rubbish? Why can't you listen to proper music?
A few years before that I recall my father commenting that the current popular group would be completely forgotten within 5 years; they were The Beatles.
 
This is so funny.

I remember my dad in about 1973ish saying, how can you listen to that mindless rubbish? Why can't you listen to proper music?

That bloody Mozart will never catch on. :D
 
That bloody Mozart will never catch on. :D
Indeed.

There's a lot of those old fogeys who've been forgotten. Wasn't there someone called Beethoven? :naughty:
 
When I was a teen, my parents hated my music while I enjoyed some of theirs [my Dad listened to Cream, Hendrix, The Beatles etc] - Now I'm a parent and hate my teen kid's music ... though they enjoy some of mine ...

Let 'em listen to whatever floats their boat
 
When I was a teen, my parents hated my music while I enjoyed some of theirs [my Dad listened to Cream, Hendrix, The Beatles etc] - Now I'm a parent and hate my teen kid's music ... though they enjoy some of mine ...

Let 'em listen to whatever floats their boat

Our son used to listen to The Offspring, so I'd listen to and occasionally pick out some of the riffs for guitar. He would listen to my Cream, ZZ Top etc. When he started buying albums one of his first was Santana's Supernatural. ;)

He put me on to Larkin Poe a few years ago.
 
Our son used to listen to The Offspring, so I'd listen to and occasionally pick out some of the riffs for guitar. He would listen to my Cream, ZZ Top etc. When he started buying albums one of his first was Santana's Supernatural. ;)

He put me on to Larkin Poe a few years ago.

I used to listen to them too :) And I did catch my dad a couple times singing [the wrong words] to some Nirvana songs when I still lived at home lol
 
I enjoy a broad range of music..love choral classical.. Requiems..Panis Angelicus (Franck) 1930s US Blues (Lightning Hopkins and Muddy Water) Blue Grass , C&W . I tried to buy Blue Grass here in Gloucester and the lass behind the counter had never heard of it. ..'Foggy Mountain Breakdown' (Bonnie & Clyde music). Duelling Banjos.(The Deliverance) 'Orange Blossom Special' So, I mentioned this to the couple in the cabin next to ours on a Caribbean cruise. They were from Kansas City .They said they'd send me some. A week after we got back home six CD's arrived. That's the 'good' Americans that most of us are familiar with. Friendly and generous.

One Saturday night, I went to a dance hall 10 miles away in Northwich, with my pals ..we were 18. We went for drink in a pub very close to the Memorial Hall venue. A black man came in with a white chap and sat at the next table. He wore a beige suit and he "had something" about him. We didn't see black people where I lived. We went into the dance hall later and who came on stage ? that chap..John Lee Hooker. About 10 years ago I was watching Antiques Road Show and it was coming from Yeovil. A man turned up with an LP signed by John Lee Hooker. "How did you get it ? ".. asked the expert on records. The man said that he was working at the local dance hall..I assumed in Yeovil, when John Lee Hooker visited on a UK tour. JLH asked the venue chap where he could get a drink and the chap said he'd take him to a nearby pub and asked him what he drank., "Sarsaparilla", said JLH and when the man said this...."I don't think you'll get a sarsaparilla in Northwich"..it clicked. He took him to pub we were in and sat at the next tablel..just two steps away. Even today I can still see the scene in my mind's eye.

What I loath. Rap and Modern Jazz.
 
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I will happily listen to classical music and pop, folk and rock, even the occassional heavy metal. I don't like everything by any means but I've enjoyed sounds from every genre I've come across. Even the Salvation Army have been known to produce some music pleasing to my ears...

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It's a funny thing, but I do have a soft spot for the Salvation Army. I do like a good hymn. Although, I don't think I'd like to play them on my car stereo.
 
It's a funny thing, but I do have a soft spot for the Salvation Army. I do like a good hymn. Although, I don't think I'd like to play them on my car stereo.

I'm anti-theist but also love to hear hymns and enjoy a lot of religious music. There are some great tunes. Back in the day..17th..18th centuries the only people who afford to pay people like Handel ,Mozart.. JS Bach were the Catholic church and royalty.
 
I'm anti-theist but also love to hear hymns and enjoy a lot of religious music. There are some great tunes. Back in the day..17th..18th centuries the only people who afford to pay people like Handel ,Mozart.. JS Bach were the Catholic church and royalty.

I think that's right. Religion and art drove the renaissance.
 
most of the stuff i am listening to nowadays is 1980 to 2000
years ago i ripped all my CDs to FLAC files and have added a bit to my collection
from SACD but no new music.
 
This is so funny.

I remember my dad in about 1973ish saying, how can you listen to that mindless rubbish? Why can't you listen to proper music?
Exactly. Mine was the same. If you’re a teenager/young person and not playing music that irritates older people, you’re doing something wrong. :)
 
On a couple of occasions today I witnessed cool young men with flash cars driving along with the same thumpy auto tuned nonsense that passes for music these days blaring out. It occurred to me that these people have probably never heard a good riff, or guitar solo. I'm showing my age, of course, but isn't that sad?
Most people stop listening to new music around the age of 33. So yes, you're showing you age :D For more fun facts in this area, Google up the Mere Exposure Effect (TL;DR: we like stuff we're exposed to. We stop exposing ourselves to new things at a relatively early age. Therefore, you like the music that was new when you were young.)

I think that's right. Religion and art drove the renaissance.
I mean, as long as you totally ignore the Medicis..... A more general point is that for a bit, in one area, rich people paused killing each other and needed something else to spend their money on. It's quite a while since the last time that happened.
 
On a couple of occasions today I witnessed cool young men with flash cars driving along with the same thumpy auto tuned nonsense that passes for music these days blaring out. It occurred to me that these people have probably never heard a good riff, or guitar solo. I'm showing my age, of course, but isn't that sad?
Are! yes I am guilty of that, although my car is not flash.
I have a very broad range of musical tastes, things I hated when I was a kid Mod music I have rediscover and enjoy, along with most other genres.

As for "stop listening to new music around 33" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: I have the radio on a lot and have discovered things like Benobo, Alt-J and many others.

Not bad for someone who turned 60 this year.
 
Most people stop listening to new music around the age of 33. So yes, you're showing you age :D For more fun facts in this area, Google up the Mere Exposure Effect (TL;DR: we like stuff we're exposed to. We stop exposing ourselves to new things at a relatively early age. Therefore, you like the music that was new when you were young.)

This is worth a listen if you've not heard it.
View: https://youtu.be/1bZ0OSEViyo?si=ew0KhGWlw5VFoh4r
 
Our son used to listen to The Offspring, so I'd listen to and occasionally pick out some of the riffs for guitar. He would listen to my Cream, ZZ Top etc. When he started buying albums one of his first was Santana's Supernatural. ;)

He put me on to Larkin Poe a few years ago.
I have a couple of Offspring CDs, and Sum41 - and I was past 35 when I bought them. I haven't listened to them in years now. I might re-visit :)

That is an interesting video and a bit worrying about the AI.

If I remember rightly you also played in cover bands? Or perhaps you played originals. My experience is that people mainly want to hear what they know, even if the band is fed up of playing the same old, same old. Is that your experience too?
 
I have a couple of Offspring CDs, and Sum41 - and I was past 35 when I bought them. I haven't listened to them in years now. I might re-visit :)

That is an interesting video and a bit worrying about the AI.

If I remember rightly you also played in cover bands? Or perhaps you played originals. My experience is that people mainly want to hear what they know, even if the band is fed up of playing the same old, same old. Is that your experience too?

I've mostly played covers, though in most cases working to make them 'my own', and still play in a band doing 'gospel blues' where we take older songs and move them up tempo with a danceable beat. I've done some fairly serious attempts at genuine covers over the years and it's fun in some ways but often a bit disappointing. But that's digressing slightly.

Covers fall into 2 categories really: the guys that do 'something recognisable' and the authentic tribute act. The tribute acts tend to be much more popular in general, producing authentic-sounding music that people know, and they are often more fun than a couple of guys knocking out 'Whiskey in a jar' at the dog & duck. There can be exceptions with highly skilled musicians again making the song their own (who remembers Black Magic Woman was written by Peter Green and not Carlos Santana, or All Along The Watchtower by Bob Dylan and not Jimi Hendrix?) but those are the exceptions.

So yes, people want to hear what they know, hence all the Abba tribute acts.

FWIW I have a friend (Marc Chapman) who worked as a touring musician for some years. He auditioned for a Wishbone Ash tribute act but turned the gig down when he realised he'd have to be covering solos note-for-note every night, and wouldn't be allowed to cut lose.

Weren't you playing bass IIRC? How's that going these days?
 
This is worth a listen if you've not heard it.
View: https://youtu.be/1bZ0OSEViyo?si=ew0KhGWlw5VFoh4r
Very interesting - thank you.

I was thinking something similar to "act 2" recently. I was watching the Aretha Franklin biopic and thinking "I love this music! Why do I never listen to it?" Then I realised it's because I seldom listen to music. I play it while working or exercising or driving or to pass the time on a train but very seldom listen.

And one thing Aretha Franklin isn't is background music.
 
I've mostly played covers, though in most cases working to make them 'my own', and still play in a band doing 'gospel blues' where we take older songs and move them up tempo with a danceable beat. I've done some fairly serious attempts at genuine covers over the years and it's fun in some ways but often a bit disappointing. But that's digressing slightly.

Covers fall into 2 categories really: the guys that do 'something recognisable' and the authentic tribute act. The tribute acts tend to be much more popular in general, producing authentic-sounding music that people know, and they are often more fun than a couple of guys knocking out 'Whiskey in a jar' at the dog & duck. There can be exceptions with highly skilled musicians again making the song their own (who remembers Black Magic Woman was written by Peter Green and not Carlos Santana, or All Along The Watchtower by Bob Dylan and not Jimi Hendrix?) but those are the exceptions.

So yes, people want to hear what they know, hence all the Abba tribute acts.

FWIW I have a friend (Marc Chapman) who worked as a touring musician for some years. He auditioned for a Wishbone Ash tribute act but turned the gig down when he realised he'd have to be covering solos note-for-note every night, and wouldn't be allowed to cut lose.

Weren't you playing bass IIRC? How's that going these days?
I much prefer the Santana version of BMW, but I don't think anyone will improve on Albatross, ever.

Yep as a tribute band, I think people would be expecting it to be just like the recorded version, so not very exciting for a skilled musician. I've only ever done covers and am a very boring bass player because I aim to be just like the original... underpinning any guitarists who want to go off piste :ROFLMAO:

Funnily enough I had a gig on Saturday - I've barely played since my last one 4 yrs ago. It's nearly killed me to learn 30 songs in less than 2 weeks to fill in for an unwell bass player. My fingers weren't too bad after a week of playing but I'm left with a shoulder issue at the moment - the perils of ageing and not being match fit. Thankfully no real glitches during the gig. Once I'd worked out what I had to play, I really enjoyed it and the gig was fun..

Apologies to @Plain Nev for taking this off course.
 
I much prefer the Santana version of BMW, but I don't think anyone will improve on Albatross, ever.

Yep as a tribute band, I think people would be expecting it to be just like the recorded version, so not very exciting for a skilled musician. I've only ever done covers and am a very boring bass player because I aim to be just like the original... underpinning any guitarists who want to go off piste :ROFLMAO:

Funnily enough I had a gig on Saturday - I've barely played since my last one 4 yrs ago. It's nearly killed me to learn 30 songs in less than 2 weeks to fill in for an unwell bass player. My fingers weren't too bad after a week of playing but I'm left with a shoulder issue at the moment - the perils of ageing and not being match fit. Thankfully no real glitches during the gig. Once I'd worked out what I had to play, I really enjoyed it and the gig was fun..

Apologies to @Plain Nev for taking this off course.

Glad you had a good time. :)

Weight of instruments is becoming more noticeable these days, and I suspect that it's even worse with a bass. I can still play a 2 hour set, but it's getting to be harder than it used to be. Really not sure about learning 30 new songs in 2 weeks as a guitarist, unless I was doing rhythm work!
 
Glad you had a good time. :)

Weight of instruments is becoming more noticeable these days, and I suspect that it's even worse with a bass. I can still play a 2 hour set, but it's getting to be harder than it used to be. Really not sure about learning 30 new songs in 2 weeks as a guitarist, unless I was doing rhythm work!
I've never had an issue like this before, but I was playing for 3 - 5 hours a day after doing nothing. I'd played 4 of the songs before, but 2 of them were 30 years ago - a huge test!! I put notes at my feet and used my lighter Warwick. I felt okay at the time - still feel okay to play, but struggling to hold my camera :( I think it was worth it... now where's that ibuprofen... :ROFLMAO:
 
I much prefer the Santana version of BMW, but I don't think anyone will improve on Albatross, ever.

Yep as a tribute band, I think people would be expecting it to be just like the recorded version, so not very exciting for a skilled musician. I've only ever done covers and am a very boring bass player because I aim to be just like the original... underpinning any guitarists who want to go off piste :ROFLMAO:

Funnily enough I had a gig on Saturday - I've barely played since my last one 4 yrs ago. It's nearly killed me to learn 30 songs in less than 2 weeks to fill in for an unwell bass player. My fingers weren't too bad after a week of playing but I'm left with a shoulder issue at the moment - the perils of ageing and not being match fit. Thankfully no real glitches during the gig. Once I'd worked out what I had to play, I really enjoyed it and the gig was fun..

Apologies to @Plain Nev for taking this off course.

That's quite alright. It's organic. :D
 
I have been known to loiter on the Shadows forum (sorry) where the "guitarists" chat about how to get "that" sound and go into reams of combinations of effects, echoes, delays etc., etc. I sit back and think, that with our (now very old) ears, we will all hear very different things to what we heard back in the sixties! I know that I have lost most of the frequencies in one ear and much of the volume in the other!!! Still prefer the stuff that I "heard" on radio Luxembourg ( That's Keynsham, spelt K.E.Y. .........!) in between the complete fade outs and Caroline to the modern stuff. I remember gripping the tranny to the side of my head until 12 midnight to get the latest number one (you wouldn't say that these days, would you? !!!!!!) :rolleyes: :LOL:
 
the Shadows forum (sorry) where the "guitarists" chat about how to get "that" sound

Some decades back I read an interview with Nivram about 'that' sound, because I was an AC30 user myself. Apparently there isn't a single sound at all, sometimes it was clean, sometimes dirty, occasionally with compression, delay etc. Apache is different from The FBI etc.

I've tended towards Clapton more as a young player, although I enjoyed most styles of harder rock, only getting funky as I've got older
 
I think pop music is aimed at the young, always has been post war, to be different and "new", but to be especially different to what your parents listen(ed) to. That was very effective when the medium for delivery was TV and radio. A new genre could take hold quiet quickly, but in a rolling snowball type way. Young people would be attracted to certain sub genres, but there would be variation, even if your parents said it all sounded the same and rubbish. At the same time it was guided by the record companies.

Now something or someone can take almost instantaneously with lots of people because of social media, and now it is the technology, which social media you use, or don't, which is keeping things aimed at younger people. Social media tries to feed you more of what you like, and if what you like is 60's R&R, that will be mostly what you see on social media, and if not on social media, will be the type of radio station you will gravitate to.

The option to see/hear a 'mix' of genres on something like Top of the Pops is no longer there on TV, which is mind blowing considering how many music TV shows there used to be, TotP, The Tube, The Old Grey Whistle test etc, and you may also have had a regional TV music show too.

Older musical groups, or should I say the publishers of a lot of older musical groups catalogue are not helping their artist's longevity, as they understandably try to make money wherever their artist's music is used, but charge exhorbatent fees, which has the larger effect of their artist's music not being on social media. I've seen Rick Beato talk about this.

I was one of those people who went into the local record shop every week until the early/mid 90's when the music shops started to disappear, as did the music shows on TV. New songs/bands to me are normally heared if used in adverts, when I used to watch TV, but mostly now if someone I follow on YT, or someone on a YT channel mentions an artist positively, or plays their music. I will give them a listen. My exposure as gone from almost everything, to quite limited.

I am lucky in that I can listen to a bits of a song and flip through quite quickly to see whether I like something or not. I know what I like, and can quickly decide I don't like the song, or after listeningto a few songs, the artist. There are bands I should like from my eras, which do nothing for me, but friends love.

Sorry for the long ramble if you got this far, but only just seen this thread and it struck a chord.

Anyway, one artist that has really hit with me over the last few years, and made me feel young again being so into a lot of her songs, is called Madison Cunningham. I first heard of her when a music YTuber I follow was trying to work out how to play one of her songs, and I liked the riff and the song, so went and looked for more of her work, and liked almost everything I found, which does not happen often anymore like it used to sadly. But that was just a chance exposure to her music, which is how I think most older people find new (to them at least) music nowadays.

The song was Pin it Down BTW. Great vid for the song on YT, where I think she is playing live in the studio with her band. Great guitarist too. I hope I continue to like her new music in the coming years.
 
Some decades back I read an interview with Nivram about 'that' sound, because I was an AC30 user myself. Apparently there isn't a single sound at all, sometimes it was clean, sometimes dirty, occasionally with compression, delay etc. Apache is different from The FBI etc.

I've tended towards Clapton more as a young player, although I enjoyed most styles of harder rock, only getting funky as I've got older
I have favoured Robin Trower, Jimmy Hendrix and Mark Knopler but all my CD's are on a memory stick for use in my car and it does include Hank Marvin and The Shadows.

Dave
 
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