A question for you guys that have moved away from full frame to Fuji.

I'm with @minnnt on the Fuji files. Although I always thought you did some good stuff with the X series. I shot with the XP1 and later moved to an XT10. Shot with the system for around 2.5 years.

Both are great and I found the optics to be pretty good (the 56 1.2 is just lovely!) but couldn't always get on with the RAWs. JPEGs were great however. I always quite liked the colour palette, and often JPEG was the option I took when I first got the system.

I was looking to move to the XP2 but took a bit of a U-turn and recently I've now moved to a 6D with no regrets. Having shot with a 5D classic in the past, it feels great using it. I used the 5DC for some paid work a while back which was printed to a reasonable size and was greatly impressed. I didn't always feel that comfortable with the AF from the X cameras. It's better now than what it was. The XT was a big step up for me from the XP1 - but at times it would still not feel like it was hitting the spot right.

The 6D isn't really that cumbersome either to be fair, even with the 24-105 L I don't think. It still fits in a small Ona Bowery. The files seem pretty natural to me and are good to work with too, so I am happy. I always thought that the DSLR wouldn't be a thought again after shooting Fuji but I am happy with my choice.

I don't wanna slate the Fuji system though. There will be pros and cons to any system. I think depending on what you shoot, they are great. Brilliant for travel too. It was camera that made me slow down and learn a lot on photography.
 
minnnt said:
Lols... See you back in a FF owners thread next year Johnny boy... :D
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As long as finances allow it, why not run the two systems side by side? Much as I love my Fuji system, I fully intend keeping the Nikon FF stuff since there are some things that an SLR does better than the Fujis. Whenever I pick up the Fuji system for a walk, I thank the pantheon that I'm not lifting the same EFL for the FF system! (Currently on holiday with a 3 zoom, 1 prime, 2 body Fuji system and they were weighing some people's hand baggage... Would have sweated more had I been carrying the Nikon kit!!! Going to give the 100-400 and 2x telecon a workout in real life tomorrow.)

JohnN said:
lol, yes I know - the quest for the perfect camera.

I think its just about finding a system that doesn't p*** you off too much.
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If only there was such a thing as a perfect system! In fact, it would be a perfect device, being capable of focal ranges from 8mm (180 degree fisheye should be enough for most people! [35mm EFL.]) to 2,000mm while delivering an aperture range of 1.4 up to 135mm and f/2 beyond that with IS/OS/OIS/VR giving 6 stops of extra handholdability, weighing less than a kilo and being pocketable in a shirt pocket. Oh, with a sub £100 price tag as well.

(Can you tell I've been drinking?!!!)
 
I carry my X-E2 and 18-55 in my rucksack all the time, fits in a small Lowepro pouch complete with a spare battery.
No way would I have carried a 5dmkii and 24-105 around like that, in fact I didn't

Processing raw was poor in earlier versions of LR although much better in version 6. I did and still do use Photo Ninja, standalone in my case, but can be used as a plug-in on LR.

For me the Fuji setup is perfect, but I appreciate it's not for everyone, what is though?
 
Originally I've made the move to an X-Pro 2 on size & weight grounds as I was going on a trip in April and had horrible memories of carting around loads of heavy DSLR kit on my honeymoon last year and I can't deny that the size of the Fuji kit, even with fairly large lenses like the 16-55 2.8 or 50-140 2.8 is much nicer to carry around, although again neither are really "light", I did notice however that there really isn't a huge size difference between the D810 & 24-70 and X-Pro 2 & 16-55, its mainly in the height (photo below) and theres probably an argument that the DSLR is more suited to a bigger lens.

I have to admit that file processing aside I don't think I've given up a lot with the move to an X-Pro 2, although I wouldn't have swapped full frame for one of the older 16mp Fuji bodies as personally I don't think the IQ was up to it for me.

I've just spent a week and a half with a D810 (Peters old one!) and already moved it on again mainly as I decided that with other things needing the money I can't justify two systems to myself although I have to admit it was a close run decision on which one to move on, the IQ of the full frame D810 is brilliant and much easier to get good results out of in Lightroom or Camera Raw (jpegs aren't as good though!)

I only have to look at how many shots I've taken with the X-Pro 2 since April to see that I've used it more than really any of the other photo kit I've had save maybe (ironically) for the original Nikon D800 that I owned which combined with a Sigma 35mm went everywhere with me.

I'll never rule out full frame again, and if (or probably when) I do go back its likely to be Nikon again as I don't feel the handling of the Sony mirrorless bodies is quite there yet. To be honest size aside theres a big argument in favour of the DSLR, especially cost wise as certainly on new prices the DSLR primes are better value (Nikon G, Sigma Art or Tamron VC v the Fuji primes).

If I'm honest my ideal camera setup probably is an upgraded X100T which contains all of the goodies of the X-Pro2/XT2 with that 24mp sensor, that along with a D810 in my bag and I don't think I'd need another camera again...

2016-09-04_11-49-18 by Chris Mitchell, on Flickr
 
JohnN said:
Hi,

What made you do it?
Did you find a lens (I'm guessing the 56mm) that compensates enough to eliminate the crop?
What sort of thing do you shoot?
Any regrets?

What were the pros and cons of the move?

I'm asking people who moved rather than have it as a second system as they had hard choices to make.

I had planned to post this in the XT-1\2\X-T10 thread as I have a XT-1 but thought I'd throw the net wider.

As a little back story I got the X-T1 to use as an adapted lens camera for a bit of an experiment, but had worries over the battery life (which have now largely been resolved after finding out that as an amateur I'll not often need a second battery let alone the four I now have) and have come to enjoy the system, especially after getting the 18-135 native lens, but I suspected I might after having an E-M1 in my past and really got on with the EVF and all it has to offer.

Cheers for reading.
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I moved from a Sony A7R because the Sony was a crap camera, a fine technical wonder and I'd love to be able to get that kind of resolution and sharpness from the Fuji, but everything else about it sucked. OK if you're comparing to a D5 or something else that really does exploit the benefits of full frame, then there may be a different story to tell, but as far as I'm concerned the Fuji is my goldilocks system.
 
I don't have a Fuji, but as chance would have it the following video popped up in my suggestions on youtube

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY


Of course, he's a Fuji fan so going to be biased but maybe worth a watch for a tongue in cheek look :)
 
minnnt said:
Yeah, Fuji fan but he soon whips the PhaseOne out when he needs it. ;)
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I think that was exactly his point in the video, which is that there is a discernible difference between medium format and aps-c/35 mm sensors, but very little 'real world' difference between aps-c and 35 mm sensors.
 
minnnt said:
Yeah, Fuji fan but he soon whips the PhaseOne out when he needs it. ;)
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I think that's the point though isn't it. Each system has it's pluses and minuses and what's good for one job might not be as good for another.

I'm always wary of what Zack says because I get the impression he needs Fuji to stay relevant, so he's maybe not the most reliable reviewer out there. But he is entertaining and very open about his struggles - which I respect.
 
chrism_scotland said:
Originally I've made the move to an X-Pro 2 on size & weight grounds as I was going on a trip in April and had horrible memories of carting around loads of heavy DSLR kit on my honeymoon last year and I can't deny that the size of the Fuji kit, even with fairly large lenses like the 16-55 2.8 or 50-140 2.8 is much nicer to carry around, although again neither are really "light", I did notice however that there really isn't a huge size difference between the D810 & 24-70 and X-Pro 2 & 16-55, its mainly in the height (photo below) and theres probably an argument that the DSLR is more suited to a bigger lens.

I have to admit that file processing aside I don't think I've given up a lot with the move to an X-Pro 2, although I wouldn't have swapped full frame for one of the older 16mp Fuji bodies as personally I don't think the IQ was up to it for me.

I've just spent a week and a half with a D810 (Peters old one!) and already moved it on again mainly as I decided that with other things needing the money I can't justify two systems to myself although I have to admit it was a close run decision on which one to move on, the IQ of the full frame D810 is brilliant and much easier to get good results out of in Lightroom or Camera Raw (jpegs aren't as good though!)

I only have to look at how many shots I've taken with the X-Pro 2 since April to see that I've used it more than really any of the other photo kit I've had save maybe (ironically) for the original Nikon D800 that I owned which combined with a Sigma 35mm went everywhere with me.

I'll never rule out full frame again, and if (or probably when) I do go back its likely to be Nikon again as I don't feel the handling of the Sony mirrorless bodies is quite there yet. To be honest size aside theres a big argument in favour of the DSLR, especially cost wise as certainly on new prices the DSLR primes are better value (Nikon G, Sigma Art or Tamron VC v the Fuji primes).

If I'm honest my ideal camera setup probably is an upgraded X100T which contains all of the goodies of the X-Pro2/XT2 with that 24mp sensor, that along with a D810 in my bag and I don't think I'd need another camera again...

2016-09-04_11-49-18 by Chris Mitchell, on Flickr
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How do you find the 16-55 Chris?
 
I’ve had my D750 for over a year and I absolutely love it. The DR, High ISO and image quality are sublime. But there are many times where I don’t want to go out the house with it, whether it’s the bulkiness, weight or the attention it brings.

A couple of months ago I brought a GX80 and some primes. Small enough to throw into a nappy bag when going out, the picture quality is very good but not a patch on my D750. Still have the same bug bears with M43 which are high ISO and DR. I’m at a bit of a crossroads with my equipment, half of me is saying keep both systems and use them to their advantages, the other is saying sell up and move completely too mirrorless, very much leaning to Fuji. Decisions, decisions.
 
I have over this last year made the move partly anyway to the Fuji X system.
I have always been a Fuji fan as my first Dslr was the Fuji S1pro based around a old Nikon film body and over the years purchased all four Nikon bodied models.
I dipped my toe into the Xcamp with a Fuji Xpro 1 and the two lens Deal 18mm f2.0 & 27mm f2.8.
And I was really impressed so I purchased the XF 18-135mm OIS despite reading it wasn't a good combination.
But I needed the OIS due to decline health and bad nerves/ shakes ( I guess I should have drank more water with my poison in my younger days) :beer::banana:
The trouble is I have loved my photography all my life but carrying heavy gear around was becoming prohibitive.
I thought I had found the answer when I purchased a Canon eos-m oops !
The thought of being able to use both my Canon & my Nikon lens on a compact body with adapters BIG mistake and not my first in life:runaway:
I still have my arsenal of lens and my D810 D3 D700 and my 5Dc :thinking: sometimes it's just hard to let go I guess ?
I'm still getting to grips with my X system TBH but I still find there are a few pit falls with it.
I'm fortunate I guess that I haven't had to sell or trade all of my gear to get the Fuji X system but I still feel it has a little way to go to truly match a Dslr just my opinion by the way.
As some one said higher up the thread if you can afford to keep both why not?
:canon::nikon::fuji::pint::beer:
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
I moved from a Sony A7R because the Sony was a crap camera, a fine technical wonder and I'd love to be able to get that kind of resolution and sharpness from the Fuji, but everything else about it sucked. OK if you're comparing to a D5 or something else that really does exploit the benefits of full frame, then there may be a different story to tell, but as far as I'm concerned the Fuji is my goldilocks system.
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Just to add some balance... I have an A7 and it's the best camera I've ever had :D The size and bulk with a compact prime almost take me back to my film days (it's the same size but cameras aren't empty boxes these days so they're heavier) the handling is fine and the FF image quality goodness is very goodness indeed and dare I say it.... yes... :D unmatched by anything Fuji make.

I can see the attraction of Fuji but for me if you get a Fuji and a prime you're getting more or less the bulk and weight of an A7 without the quality. To me the A7 is the system to go for if looking for quality and MFT is the system to go for if a size saving is the priority and unfortunately for me that leaves Fuji stuck in the middle not offering any significant weight or bulk savings over an A7 (camera and compact prime) and not matching the image quality and not being able to match the weight and bulk savings offered by MFT. Nice cameras though they are (Fuji) I'd go Sony or MFT depending upon priorities, having said that APS-C is a bit of a Goldilocks system but if going that way I'd go Sony A6xxx.
 
Made the move a while back, then eventually moved back when weddings picked up. If it wasn’t for the weddings I would still be using Fuji for sure, but as it is the D750 just gives me so much more confidence (AF speed in challenging light, battery life) and flexibility in terms of processing, particularly as somebody relatively early in my career.

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I find the ‘arguments’ about size pretty interesting, particularly the ‘if it doesn’t fit in your pocket it may as well be a DSLR’ thing that comes up all the time. Two X-T1s with a 23mm 1.4 and 56mm 1.2 feel far, far more manageable than two D750s with 35mm and 85mm 1.4s, for example. The actual size/weight difference may not be huge (I’m not sure), but they certainly feel smaller and lighter over the course of a day, significantly so.

Away from weddings, I mainly shot moving subjects, which when I started out wasn’t very common with Fuji gear, but seems to have picked up quite a bit now. In good light I had absolutely no issues shooting motorsport right from the cheapy 50-230mm through to the 100-400mm. Same with zoos and similar things, perfectly usable and very, very rarely felt I was missing out by not having a DSLR around my neck.

Silverstone 24hr by Chris Harrison, on Flickr

Japfest 2015 by Chris Harrison, on Flickr

As for glass, 10-24mm f4, 23mm 1.4, 56mm 1.2 and either 50-140mm 2.8 or the 100-400mm. Not really a bad egg out there optically, but the newer lenses are much nicer to use if speed is an issue (i.e. anything after the original 18mm f2, 35mm 1.4, 60mm 2.4 combo)

I love (and miss) full AF through the LCD and all the other electronic benefits of mirrorless. Having 100% reliable AF accuracy is another huge benefit you don't get with a DSLR. I'll be back in a heartbeat when the time is right and/or I'm confident enough to shoot full weddings with Fuji gear to a level I've reached with my D750 now.

As a stopgap I'm using a little EOS-M for family stuff, no way I'm lugging the D750 and 35mm 1.4 about on days out with my two year old.

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Just curious, did you ever get to try the 90mm f2?

I've only just paid attention to that lens and it looks very interesting (135mm being a favourite length on full frame)
 
Not that it may be of ANY interest to you John, but I've actually just placed an order with Fuji for a refurb X-A2.

Not only did this thread make me wish I still had a Fuji, but at less than £240 delivered for the kit, it can HAPPILY work alongside the D750...plus the Mrs would use it...not sure if that's a good idea though?[emoji849]
 
JohnN said:
Just curious, did you ever get to try the 90mm f2?

I've only just paid attention to that lens and it looks very interesting (135mm being a favourite length on full frame)
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135mm is my favourite focal length too. Whilst the 90mm is very, very good, the 56mm 1.2 is so exceptional that I never felt the need to own both for any length of time. I'm in a similar situation now with the 85mm 1.4 AF-S on the D750, it's so good with enough cropping power that I'm slowly warming to the idea of 85mm equivalent over 135.

The 90mm feels faster to AF than the 56 but not a huge amount in it.

90mm f2
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I'm also thinking that the weather resistance may come in handy, plus I looked at a couple of reviews last night and prefer the bokeh balls on the 90, but that's very much a personal preference thing
 
Hope my comments will help with some of the recent questions on here concerning the 16-55 f2.8 and 90 f2.

This is my two lens kit for most of my portrait photography. I did try the 50-140 before buying the 90, but I found it quite big and heavy. I was also concerned that I might have the same problem with nervous subjects as I used to have when using the Nikon 80-200 f2.8, quite often they found the size of the lens intimidating and that increased their unease at being photographed.

If I do need longer focal lengths I have the 55-200 to cover these and I find that generally I need to use f5.6 anyway to obtain sufficient depth of field.
 
What are folks using with the fuji's for fill flash, im thinking of making the switch, but im scared :)
 
I don't really use flash or know what works on fuji yet, but I'm sure I read something about Canon compatibility.
 
Canon hotshoe extenders work but I don't think the flashes themselves do.

Fuji is launching a supposedly decent flash this year but it's been delayed once already.

Check out Nissin i40 or the Meike MK320.
 
When I got in with Fuji, it was for a smaller camera with nice primes which I could take with me easily. I kept the Canon setup for action and when I wanted full frame. A few years on and my Fuji setup has grown and whilst I still have my Canon setup I've only used it a handful of times over the last couple of years. I should really sell it, but keep thinking that I should keep it for full frame (also have aps-c and aps-have bodies) and never get round to it. I could use the money tied up in the gear now, so really need to make a decision. You'd think it would be easy as I use Fuji so much more, but it's not!
 
They look interesting.

I'll have to take a proper look as it claims to work with any model, so Fuji is fine, bt is it a case of a transceiver per flash + one one the camera?

Also does it understand all systems, so I have a couple of Canon flashes and a couple of Nikon - could I use them all at the same time?
 
Maybe worth waiting for Fuji version as im sure it wont be shabby, im certainly hoping to use flash less as its a direction im moving in, but also with the 85mm F1.2 will be able to shoot low light albeit with a shallow DOF which is part of the master plan haha
 
I'm pretty sure fuji don't do an 85mm 1.2 - they do the 56mm 1,2 which has a 35mm equivalent of around 84mm if thats what you mean

BTW this may help with the Cactus v6 II
 
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I own a Nikon FF and Fuji system, I'm ditching one because realistically I don't need two. I'm keeping my D750. At sensors above m43 for me size is irrelevant, they won't fit in your pocket. Reliability / handling / speed / IQ / lens choice / flash system / battery / resale value are why I have chosen to keep my Nikon over Fuji. Ideally I'd love to own many systems, in the right hands they can all take amazing pictures - we just have to find that one manufacturer that suits us best.
 
I got a i40 for my fuji setup, great little fill flash for the money, not the most powerful but small, light, fully tilting head, and a free stofen type thing :)
 
I've moved the other way, Fuji > Sony A7R + Voigtlander & RX1R. The kit and output are too different to meaningfully compare. The Voigt lenses on a FF sensor give a rendering you won't get on Fuji at the focal length the manufacturer intended.
 
Purchased a Meike MK320 to use with my Fuji X kit and have to say I'm pretty impressed with it .
Also been using my old SB25 &SB26s in both manual and also used the A auto system that works remarkably well.
I am awaiting some more PT04 to replace my lost ones yet again the work remarkably well.
 
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