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Was at a craft fair today and made a beeline for a stall of framed photos, He had a few good images on sale but there was something lacking about them in general. We inevitably ended up discussing his pics and I asked what gear he used, what subjects he preferred, whether he shot in raw, manual, etc. After telling me he got fed up with wedding photography, he then surprised me by saying he always shoots in jpeg on the "auto" setting. I had to clarify what I was hearing by asking if he was referring to the green box setting.
A professional wedding tog using the green box,:cuckoo: more likely the work dried up because of his results rather than him getting fed up.
Or maybe he was just telling porkies.
 
Maybe he realised that you knew a fair bit about photography, so had a mess with you?

If not, dear god.
 
dellipher said:
Ive heard that a few shoot in P, for professional....right? :lol:
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Ahhh that's maybe what he meant:lol::lol:

Seriously, he could not even remember which model Nikon camera he was using, I think he thought he was a photographer, was telling fibs and, knew nowt :lol:
I could really have made a fool of him if he was telling fibs.........but I'm not like that.
 
I don't think it's that unusual, surprising as it that might sound. Green box tends to pick settings that suit formal groups, etc. and will sort the fill flash as well. They might not be the most artistic/creative shots but that depends on your client base anyway.
 
I know a pro-rally shooter who shoots jpg and auto.
Like pxl8 say's, its not that unusual, it depends on the client/market and what they will expect or accept.
 
joxby said:
I know a pro-rally shooter who shoots jpg and auto.
Like pxl8 say's, its not that unusual, it depends on the client/market and what they will expect or accept.
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And for a village craft fair market I suppose it was ok for the average punter, I see what you and pxl8 are saying.
 
Nowt new here, as posted in another tread I recently spent a morning trying to explain to a 'pro wedding tog' why it would be better if he shot in raw rather than small/medium jpeg but he knew better.

After another wedding shoot, the same 'pro' couldn't understand why, although he shot manual, metering was correct on 1 shot then out on the next 2.

'Do you bracket you shots?" asks me.
'No need too with £xxxx D200' says he.
'You read the manual'
'Don't do manuals'

Needless to say he'd managed to set it to bracket +/- 1 stop.

BTW did you now Nikon raw doesn't contain an embedded jpeg, that's why there's a raw +jpeg setting. Me neither but then he's the pro at the end of the day, so who am I to argue.

What's that they say about a little knowledge?
Can't wait for the next instalment.
 
Whilst not using their equipment to the fullest, does it matter?

There was a thread recently about the differences between enthusiast and professional photography and the only difference was money. One gets paid, one doesn't.

You're images could appear shocking to someone 'in the know' but if the client is willing to pay, who cares?
 
apkent said:
Whilst not using their equipment to the fullest, does it matter?

There was a thread recently about the differences between enthusiast and professional photography and the only difference was money. One gets paid, one doesn't.

You're images could appear shocking to someone 'in the know' but if the client is willing to pay, who cares?
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To be honest, the client should care!
And if your making money out of it then surely you should know how to use the equiptment in the first place.
 
If he made money out of using the green square then fair play to him.

Doesn't mean he's a photographer, though ;)
 
As read earlier:

"What's the difference between a good photographer and a bad photographer? A good photographer does not show you their bad shots!"

:D
 
I have seen togs locally advertising as "Wedding Photographers" and they shoot with compacts, it's true I've spoken to them about it, but they don't care as the customer is to willing to part with someone else's (in most cases) money:shrug:
 
A photographer is someone who take photographs, regardless of knowledge, ability, skill etc. A professional photographer gets paid to take photographs. "Professional" doesn't relate to skill, ability or equipment, you can have good and bad professionals with all kinds of equipment and ability.

Consider a racing driver who uses all available driver assists in their car (auto transmission, abs, traction control etc.) and doesn't have a clue how the car works, if they are paid for it, they are still a professional driver.
 
It's not as though 'Auto' doesn't give half bad results these days though is it? If it works and saves you a load of hassle, why not use it?
 
sprog said:
It's not as though 'Auto' doesn't give half bad results these days though is it? If it works and saves you a load of hassle, why not use it?
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Agreed. It's the end product that counts, not how you get there.

I use manual 99.9% of the time, and Av the rest, because that's what works for me. I don't have much time for people who get on their high horse, saying stuff like, 'you're not a photographer if you only use certain modes.'

Balls to that, I've seen some great shots taken on phone cameras that are much better than a lot of people produce with 3 grand of equipment in manual mode.

At the end of the day you just need to understand what you're aiming for, and what your equipment is going to do when you press the shutter - whether you've set it with the big thumb wheel on the back, or the little dial on the top.
 
Agger said:
I have seen togs locally advertising as "Wedding Photographers" and they shoot with compacts, it's true I've spoken to them about it, but they don't care as the customer is to willing to part with someone else's (in most cases) money:shrug:
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There is a guy who shoots weddings in my area on a FUJI Finepix S7000.
 
Garry79 said:
A photographer is someone who take photographs, regardless of knowledge, ability, skill etc. A professional photographer gets paid to take photographs. "Professional" doesn't relate to skill, ability or equipment, you can have good and bad professionals with all kinds of equipment and ability.
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I was being facetious, just in case no one noticed ;)
 
Compacts? That'll be that Mario Testino with his Contax T2 . . .
 
Jayst84 said:
Agreed. It's the end product that counts, not how you get there.
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I was a guest at a wedding the other week, the first I've attended since I've been interested in photography hence I found myself observing the professional tog very closely (this hobby is becoming a curse!)

She impressed me on every level (great at gently marshalling the "groups", unobtrusive etc.) and even bothered to seek me out to pass on tips when she saw that I had a camera - how nice is that! :) She said that she almost always shoots in aperture priority or auto and seldom resorts to manual settings. Her camera was a 300D. I don't know what lens she was using but didn't see her change it all day. She said she'd been doing wedding photography for 2 years and had studied photography at university.

I wondered whether her approach might have been a bit too casual and was dreading a load of awful shapshots (surely a pro would really have to work at it, not just shoot on auto settings?) but having seen the photographs I can't fault anything about them. Everyone at the wedding - and, most importantly, the bride and groom - love them. The cost was £1,250 and without going into boring detail re. what the package included, I think it was worth every penny. Definitely the results that count however they are achieved as far as I'm concerned.

I hasten to add that it's very obvious that the photos have not been tampered with to any great degree in PP. The lady had a good eye for what the couple wanted, put guests at their ease and came up with the goods irrespective of "settings" or equipment used. Everyone happy = value for money :)
 
I remember seeing a TV documentary, years ago, where the pro tog (can't remember his name) used the exposure guide that came with the film - didn't bother with metering - on the basis that Kodak had spent $10000 sorting out the correct exposure for various lighting scenarios so why should he bother ?

I seem to remember he sat in a wheelchair with a length of string and a stone tied to it - the model was told to keep level with the stone, whilst an assistant towed the wheelchair backwards. All the tog had to do was press the shutter !
 
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