A Female's perspective...

j crossley said:
Well, seeing as semantics are your specialist subject, please enlighten me. Preferably without any assistance or guidance from any of the well educated, erudite members of this forum.
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The same way that when someone on mumsnet accuses all photographers in a park of being paedophiles! They are not, they photographers, as opposed to paedophiles who take pictures - they are not representative of photographers.
 
I've known a couple of police women and they were both gorgeous. I therefore extrapolate that all police are gorgeous and made gorgeous by their chosen profession. Police = gorgeous. Gorgeous = police.
 
Jelster said:
I count myself lucky not to have his views and never put somebody's race or skin colour before their personality.
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What about dating? Many people will have a preference be that petite or larger as well as race and colour. Many find some people more attractive than others and some just don't find particular looks or types attractive.
 
woof woof said:
I've known a couple of police women and they were both gorgeous. I therefore extrapolate that all police are gorgeous and made gorgeous by their chosen profession. Police = gorgeous. Gorgeous = police.
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I saw a couple of people with a Canon take a good picture... I can extrapolate that into that all Canon users are good photographers! :exit:;)
 
There is one important point that seems to be forgotten in debates about the British Police...

When Robert Peel proposed a Uniformed Police Force for London, he made it absolutely clear that the members would be ordinary citizens who were dressed in a uniform so that their fellow citizens could recognise them.

He drove home this point by saying that no one should ever forget: "The police are the public and the public are the police".

It's unfortunate that both sides have forgotten this rule.
 
j crossley said:
Well, seeing as semantics are your specialist subject, please enlighten me. Preferably without any assistance or guidance from any of the well educated, erudite members of this forum.
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Unnecessary snide comments aside, the implication of 'murdered by a Metropolitan Police Officer' is that the murder was somehow linked to his profession which is not the case, him being a Metropolitan Police Officer is purely incidental and irrelevant.
 
Yup.

Harold Shipman "benefitted" from being a serial killing doctor but any link to profession seems far flimsier in this latest sad case.

Sorry if that looks in bad taste, no offence meant, just looking at the link between job and crime and not really seeing it here.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
There is one important point that seems to be forgotten in debates about the British Police...

When Robert Peel proposed a Uniformed Police Force for London, he made it absolutely clear that the members would be ordinary citizens who were dressed in a uniform so that their fellow citizens could recognise them.

He drove home this point by saying that no one should ever forget: "The police are the public and the public are the police".

It's unfortunate that both sides have forgotten this rule.
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Ahh, you mean the days when police where a public servant, and they would call you Sir/Madam, now the public has to call them Sir or Madam. :)
 
I think I have mentioned this before. I remember seeing a public information film, might of been the 50s not too sure. It was explaining the roll of the police, and it followed the police around on their beat, and showed what tasks the police undertake. One constable was called to an elderly woman's house, and this was to help her catch her budgie, while another was called to help another with a water leak, he found the stop tap and turned the water off for the elderly person.

Now they say, "don't call us unless it is an emergency". Imagine ringing the police now, help my budgie has escaped. They probably would turn up, but to issue you with a summons for wasting police time.

I know times have changed drastically, and there is so much more serious crime for the police to attend to. But the above is how things used to be.

I have posted this in a light hearted manner, and it is NOT to be taken seriously. So nobody needs to come along and give me a bashing for it.


Thank you

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woof woof said:
Yup.

Harold Shipman "benefitted" from being a serial killing doctor but any link to profession seems far flimsier in this latest sad case.

Sorry if that looks in bad taste, no offence meant, just looking at the link between job and crime and not really seeing it here.
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The only benefit a person (criminal Murderer) would gain, under such circumstances, would be a person's silence.
 
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jonbeeza said:
It was explaining the roll of the police,
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Ham or cheese roll?

(Sorry, Jon, I'm honestly NOT picking on your wrong homophones, it just seems to be you that's getting the wrong ones recently!)


jonbeeza said:
NOT to be taken seriously. So nobody needs to come along and give me a bashing for it.
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Nod said:
Ham or cheese roll?

(Sorry, Jon, I'm honestly NOT picking on your wrong homophones, it just seems to be you that's getting the wrong ones recently!)
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Yes, that should indeed say role of course. ;)
 
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jonbeeza said:
Ahh, you mean the days when police where a public servant, and they would call you Sir/Madam, now the public has to call them Sir or Madam. :)
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The hollow laughter you can hear is from my daughter and son-in-law, at the thought that anyone would ever call them that! :naughty:
 
The case of letters can matter hugely too - for example...

I was helping my Uncle Jack off his horse

has a totally different meaning in all lower case...
 
jonbeeza said:
Years ago a Copper once called me Sir, but it was said sneeringly. :(
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I've met precisely three nasty coppers out of the dozens I've interacted with over the years. Of course, the bad ones do harm out of all proportion to their numbers but most coppers are in the job because they have a strong sense of social responsibility. Otherwise, why would they swelter in stab vests and high vis jackets on a hot day to help out the public?

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AndrewFlannigan said:
I've met precisely three nasty coppers out of the dozens I've interacted with over the years. Of course, the bad ones do harm out of all proportion to their numbers but most coppers are in the job because they have a strong sense of social responsibility. Otherwise, why would they swelter in stab vests and high vis jackets on a hot day to help out the public?

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I remember the days Coppers looked really tough and you dared not look at them wrong. These two look like you could have a laugh and a joke with them. :)
 
But what days it say about the public when they have to go out wearing protective jackets to prevent stabbing etc.
Can't be much fun in hot weather
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I've met precisely three nasty coppers out of the dozens I've interacted with over the years. Of course, the bad ones do harm out of all proportion to their numbers but most coppers are in the job because they have a strong sense of social responsibility. Otherwise, why would they swelter in stab vests and high vis jackets on a hot day to help out the public?

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Didn't Peter Kay look young in those days?
 
This thread is hilarious.

Gas or water cannon protesters. Lock up journalists. Plain clothes spies. Isn't China terrible?

:D

Men talking about a female perspective.

:D
 
j crossley said:
Shortly after PC Wayne Couzens had been arrested for the abduction and murder of Sarah Everard it was suggested that he may have used his Warrant Card and the Coronavirus Regulations as an excuse to stop her and lure her into his car. If that is the case then surely the murder is linked to his profession as a police officer, and is relevant. Well, we will know one way or the other when his trial begins.

If you think about it, using his warrant card and the Coronavirus Regulations gave him the perfect excuse to stop Sarah Everard and get her to get into his car willingly without arousing any suspicions. If that is what actually happened, only time will tell. For the moment that is just conjecture.
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As you say, it' "suggested" but, as the only people who know are Wayne Couzens & Sarah Everard so chances are, we'll never know so yes, it's just conjecture.

j crossley said:
This thread consists of a group of photographers discussing the murder of a young woman and other related issues. We are not the committee of the Nobel Prize for Literature debating the merits and shortcomings of one of the shortlisted candidates. But if arguing the toss about semantics is what is important to you then so be it. Personally I’ve far more trivial pursuits to pursue.
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Not semantics, an important distinction but I've already explained that. If you're not capable of understanding it, that's your lookout.
 
simon ess said:
This thread is hilarious.

Gas or water cannon protesters. Lock up journalists. Plain clothes spies. Isn't China terrible?

:D

Men talking about a female perspective.

:D
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:D was thinking the same thing!


But, what about all the other genders?
 
j crossley said:
Shortly after PC Wayne Couzens had been arrested for the abduction and murder of Sarah Everard it was suggested that he may have used his Warrant Card and the Coronavirus Regulations as an excuse to stop her and lure her into his car. If that is the case then surely the murder is linked to his profession as a police officer, and is relevant. Well, we will know one way or the other when his trial begins.

If you think about it, using his warrant card and the Coronavirus Regulations gave him the perfect excuse to stop Sarah Everard and get her to get into his car willingly without arousing any suspicions. If that is what actually happened, only time will tell. For the moment that is just conjecture.

This thread consists of a group of photographers discussing the murder of a young woman and other related issues. We are not the committee of the Nobel Prize for Literature debating the merits and shortcomings of one of the shortlisted candidates. But if arguing the toss about semantics is what is important to you then so be it. Personally I’ve far more trivial pursuits to pursue.
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No more than a butcher using his knife or a tree surgeon using his chainsaw. The murder is linked to him and NOT his profession.
 
cambsno said:
No more than a butcher using his knife or a tree surgeon using his chainsaw. The murder is linked to him and NOT his profession.
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True, but when someone who happens to be a policeman murders someone, it seems so much worse, because they're the last people you expect to be murderers....
 
woof woof said:
Yup.

Harold Shipman "benefitted" from being a serial killing doctor but any link to profession seems far flimsier in this latest sad case.

Sorry if that looks in bad taste, no offence meant, just looking at the link between job and crime and not really seeing it here.
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Could the link be the fact that one would maybe be expected to think of people that are in both of the mentioned professions would usually be associated with saving lives rather than ending them?
So when they are caught doing the opposite it somehow seems so much worse?
 
j crossley said:
This thread consists of a group of photographers discussing the murder of a young woman and other related issues.

But if arguing the toss about semantics is what is important to you then so be it. Personally I’ve far more trivial pursuits to pursue.
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Just to be clear and I daresay this will be the same for a few others. I am someone who owns cameras. That doesn't make me a photographer. ;)
 
nilagin said:
Just to be clear and I daresay this will be the same for a few others. I am someone who owns cameras. That doesn't make me a photographer. ;)
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The Dictionary defines a Photographer as: "a person who takes photographs, either as a hobby or a profession.

It does not mention if it needs to be a camera, or if a phone could also be used for photos.

We are all photographers, at some point. ;)
 
jonbeeza said:
The Dictionary defines a Photographer as: "a person who takes photographs, either as a hobby or a profession.

It does not mention if it needs to be a camera, or if a phone could also be used for photos.

We are all photographers, at some point. ;)
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I still wouldn't class myself as a photographer, I wouldn't even class it as one of my hobbies.
 
Marc said:
Not semantics, an important distinction but I've already explained that. If you're not capable of understanding it, that's your lookout.
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Well in that case we shall just have to agree to disagree.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
Could the link be the fact that one would maybe be expected to think of people that are in both of the mentioned professions would usually be associated with saving lives rather than ending them?
So when they are caught doing the opposite it somehow seems so much worse?
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Short answer is no. Anyone who'd take one tragic incident and extrapolate that out to tarnish the police as a whole probably needs to see a trusted non serial killing medical professional.

I suppose it depends how you see the police and that's possibly based upon your upbringing and experiences or possibly these days your political beliefs too. One of my first experiences of the police as a child was my fathers best friend being beaten to a pulp by the police but that doesn't seem to have prejudiced me against the profession as a whole.

I read a piece yesterday about a group called Sisters Uncut. I'd never heard of them but apparently they were allegedly involved in the recent vigil and have been involved in lets say questionable activities.

This may be biased but may still be worth a read for an alternative view...

thecritic.co.uk

For the Sisters or the Misters? | Josephine Bartosch | The Critic Magazine

Masked mouth, red hair and pleading eyes: the photograph of a young activist forced onto the ground at last Saturday’s vigil in remembrance of Sarah Everard is arresting. A perfect illustration of the…
thecritic.co.uk thecritic.co.uk
 
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nilagin said:
It would be if taking photos was my hobby or one of them, but it isn't.
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Its comments like that that make me wonder what you are doing here.
FYI you aren't the only one ..
 
woof woof said:
I suppose it depends how you see the police and that's possibly based upon your upbringing and experiences
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My dad was a prison officer/Governor for nearly 40 years.
2 of my uncles were policemen and 2 of my cousins too. One is a retired Chief Constable, so I was brought up to respect the police and authority etc.
I was shocked when I heard about the murder of Sarah Everard, but horrified when I found out her murderer was a policeman, not because I thought it meant anything negative towards the police in general, but because you expect police officers to be upholding the law more so than anyone else I feel.
I get that he's a murderer that happens to be a policeman, but he's still a policeman....
 
Cobra said:
Its comments like that that make me wonder what you are doing here.
FYI you aren't the only one ..
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He did take photos recently at his work circuit of some race team or something....not that we got to see them :)
 
Cobra said:
Its comments like that that make me wonder what you are doing here.
FYI you aren't the only one ..
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The banter. ;)
I've tried posting in other parts of the forum, but don't get any response. I just figured Out of Focus was where everyone resides. ;)

My last post outside of OoF or Hot Topics was in September last year, it resulted in 1 Like and one reply which was me adding another photo that also got a like. :)
 
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Is he? I just hope he's not still being paid - or if he is, that his wages are being held for him if he's found not guilty.
 
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