7D II or 5D MKIII pictures leaked?

I'd put my last dollar on this being a 5dMk3. Canon 7D's have built in flashes and this one doesn't.

I'm pretty sure the 7D won't come out till a bit later.
 
I still don't get why there is no flip out screen, the 5d mkII is such a good video camera, and the 5DmkIII will probably follow suit, wouldn't it be useful to have a moveable screen for ease of use?
 
Silent-Sam said:
I still don't get why there is no flip out screen, the 5d mkII is such a good video camera, and the 5DmkIII will probably follow suit, wouldn't it be useful to have a moveable screen for ease of use?
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Would be great, but also the first thing I'd probably break, or second after loosing the eye piece cup....
 
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jonneymendoza said:
mate all we want fior a 5dmk3 is its 7d AFpoints
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Not going to happen, unless they have something along the lines of a 3D with a FF sensor and 7D AF- it would also be not as good as the 1Dx. Canon will have learned their lesson from the 5DII/1D3s thing. The 5D3 is more likely to have a similar but upgraded AF system from the 5D2 and a higher MP (probably not by much) and better performing sensor.

Wishing for a 1Dx in a 5D body at the 5D pricepoint just isn't going to happen. ;)
 
menthel said:
Not going to happen, unless they have something along the lines of a 3D with a FF sensor and 7D AF- it would also be not as good as the 1Dx. Canon will have learned their lesson from the 5DII/1D3s thing. The 5D3 is more likely to have a similar but upgraded AF system from the 5D2 and a higher MP (probably not by much) and better performing sensor.

Wishing for a 1Dx in a 5D body at the 5D pricepoint just isn't going to happen. ;)
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If they don't put a decent AF system on the 5DmkIII, then it won't compete with Nikons new offering.
 
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Silent-Sam said:
If they don't put a decent AF system on the 7D, then it won't compete with Nikons new offering.
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I think Canon segregate their cameras in a different way to Nikon and personally I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't come out with something inbetween the 5D and 1D to fill that niche. It won't be the 5D3, that will be the high MP portrait/landscape/whatever else the 5D2 was. Its wishful thinking to think you will get a 5D3 with a higher MP sensor than the 1Dx and with AF up there with the 7D (or its sucessor) it would errode a lot of the market for the 1Dx. Canon are out there to sell cameras to make profit, not to sell you the camera you want for peanuts! ;)
 
menthel said:
Not going to happen, unless they have something along the lines of a 3D with a FF sensor and 7D AF- it would also be not as good as the 1Dx. Canon will have learned their lesson from the 5DII/1D3s thing. The 5D3 is more likely to have a similar but upgraded AF system from the 5D2 and a higher MP (probably not by much) and better performing sensor.

Wishing for a 1Dx in a 5D body at the 5D pricepoint just isn't going to happen. ;)
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It should happen or else whats the point in getting a 5dmk3 over the mk2?

All we want is a d700 canon version.

if nikon can do it, why cant canon? if they dont i may sell all my canon gear and go with nikon. the d700 is perfect. decent MP size FF camera with more crosstype AF points then even the 7d
 
jonneymendoza said:
It should happen or else whats the point in getting a 5dmk3 over the mk2?

All we want is a d700 canon version.

if nikon can do it, why cant canon? if they dont i may sell all my canon gear and go with nikon. the d700 is perfect. decent MP size FF camera with more crosstype AF points then even the 7d
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Canon differentiate their cameras differently to Nikon. Its the way they work. I would also be surprised if the D800 is anything like the D700- I think the D700 probably cost Nikon a lot of sales in the D3 range and they won't want that again!

I am also sure neither Canon or Nikon will really give a toss what you do with your gear... :p
 
menthel said:
I am also sure neither Canon or Nikon will really give a toss what you do with your gear... :p
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That is so true. We like to think our buying power means something, but let's face it, it means nothing.

At it's most base level, if we sell our gear to change brands, someone else has just bought into our previous brand with that kit.
 
Silent-Sam said:
I still don't get why there is no flip out screen, the 5d mkII is such a good video camera, and the 5DmkIII will probably follow suit, wouldn't it be useful to have a moveable screen for ease of use?
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I have sympathies with the desire for a flip out screen. When shooting macro at low level it would sure come in handy. :)
 
Silent-Sam said:
That is so true. We like to think our buying power means something, but let's face it, it means nothing.

At it's most base level, if we sell our gear to change brands, someone else has just bought into our previous brand with that kit.
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So if millions of users all go for Nikon canon won't care? Doubtful
 
jonneymendoza said:
So if millions of users all go for Nikon canon won't care? Doubtful
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Not going to happen. Not everyone is you and many people are happy with their 5D2 and its AF capability. People have changed over but the 5D2 is still selling in big quantities, despite being 'over the hill'!

I wouldn't use one for sport but having used one just walking round and a few impromptu portraits there is nothing wrong with the AF in those circumstances.
 
It's definitely a 5D Mk III - the reason? I've just committed to a Mk II and sod's law will prevail .... :D
 
jonneymendoza said:
looks like a 5mk2 to me
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It's definitely not a 5D Mk II. The mode dial is different; the button layout is different; even the layout of the top-plate LCD is different.

Before you ask, it's not a 7D either. It's much more like a 7D, but there are some minor differences to the buttons.
 
menthel said:
Not going to happen, unless they have something along the lines of a 3D with a FF sensor and 7D AF- it would also be not as good as the 1Dx. Canon will have learned their lesson from the 5DII/1D3s thing. The 5D3 is more likely to have a similar but upgraded AF system from the 5D2 and a higher MP (probably not by much) and better performing sensor.

Wishing for a 1Dx in a 5D body at the 5D pricepoint just isn't going to happen. ;)
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Then I really DON'T want it whatever it is.

1Dx is the high fps camera. 5D3 should be a studio high res camera, not a cripple like the 5D mk2 currently is. Fine, it works for many, but to be frank it wouldn't have survived my ordinary day out on the coast last saturday. 5D2 AF is at the level of D5000 when compared to nikon. It' really time to upgrade.

Also don't forget that for every 1D sold they sell 10-100 5D cameras, so they make much bigger profit from those sales. If you think 1D x will cost £5k to manufacture then you are seriously disillusioned.
 
My guess is a 5DMK Trois

with a higher frame rate of 5 fps or so. I would be surprised if it was less since the 1DX shoots 12 in Raw and 14 in JPg. Possibly 18.1MP running twin Digic 5+ processors. I imagine ISO range would be on par with the 1DX.

I thought that at the recent Pro Solutions show it was said by Canon that the 1D4 would be discontinued but please don't quote me since I may well have heard wrongly. If Canon only expect those looking for a pro body to stump up £5.3K for a 1DX, it's really a big ask.
 
daugirdas said:
Then I really DON'T want it whatever it is.
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Another perosn who doesn't understand that Canon don't give a toss what they want/think. They build for the market.

As for the last point re: 1Dx- you have shattered all of the illusions I held- I thought that large multinationals were in it for the customers and not the profit! :shrug:

At this point I will leave people to pillory Canon for not including what they want at a price that they want to pay in a camera that has not even been announced yet.
 
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daugirdas said:
Then I really DON'T want it whatever it is.

1Dx is the high fps camera. 5D3 should be a studio high res camera, not a cripple like the 5D mk2 currently is. Fine, it works for many, but to be frank it wouldn't have survived my ordinary day out on the coast last saturday. 5D2 AF is at the level of D5000 when compared to nikon. It' really time to upgrade.

Also don't forget that for every 1D sold they sell 10-100 5D cameras, so they make much bigger profit from those sales. If you think 1D x will cost £5k to manufacture then you are seriously disillusioned.
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It seems to me that you've really contradicted yourself in the first paragraph....

If you think about how the 5d MKII fitted or even now fits into the line-up of:

XXXD 50D 7D 5D 1Ds/1Div 1DX

to me the way the 5D fits into the line-up and the specs seem perfectly reasonable.

Why make us pay more for something we don't need?

The point is, if you want to treat your camera rough, then you would have bought a 1ds III..... Hence why you have a 1ds series right?

And why do you need 1d/7d autofocus for studio work?

I don't know if what I just said makes sense...
 
digitalfailure said:
I'd have thought it would be the 5, as there's no pop up flash on the gripped body and no silly modes on the dial.
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A comment that suggests that the 7D has "silly modes on the dial" whereas the Mode Dials on the 7D and the 5D MkII are exactly the same.
 
First camera is a 1Dx for sure. The second is anyone guess but, for sure, a new camera. The button layout is deferent from any canon I know of.
 
travellingcello said:
It seems to me that you've really contradicted yourself in the first paragraph....

It is a complicated topic. I bet Canon marketing department makes more contradicting decisions than that

If you think about how the 5d MKII fitted or even now fits into the line-up of:

XXXD 50D 7D 5D 1Ds/1Div 1DX

to me the way the 5D fits into the line-up and the specs seem perfectly reasonable.

The problem is that 5D stands there on a single leg. The sensor is clearly there, but other features are trailing well behind 7D. 1Dsiii/1Div are done and dusted (or will be in two months)

Why make us pay more for something we don't need?

We already pay for AF, don't we? So what can't they put one that works better rather than a dinosaur from 10 years ago? 7D AF isn't exactly that expensive, and even D7000 has that. A few rubber seals cost $1, and that is nasty not to use them.

The point is, if you want to treat your camera rough, then you would have bought a 1ds III..... Hence why you have a 1ds series right?

Yes, that's why I bought it. The problem is D700 and D300 can be both treated that way and cost no more than 5DII, but they are lower res.

And why do you need 1d/7d autofocus for studio work?

Studios tend to be dark. In the dark AF tends to be hit and miss, and I believe many 5D owners use a speedlite to help with focusing. Some work requires capturing a model in action as well as high res or is it exclusive 1Dx territory?

As the market is already saturated with 5D and 5DII it will be harder to sell 'just because it's FF'. It needs to grow from other directions as well. Don't forget that they aren't losing money by selling 5D, and that in fact, means more sales of expensive L glass.


I don't know if what I just said makes sense...
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menthel said:
Not going to happen. Not everyone is you and many people are happy with their 5D2 and its AF capability. People have changed over but the 5D2 is still selling in big quantities, despite being 'over the hill'!

I wouldn't use one for sport but having used one just walking round and a few impromptu portraits there is nothing wrong with the AF in those circumstances.
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No but the way you go on, you go on as if our wallets dont mean nothing when infact it does.

If you are not a canon fanboy, you would jump ship if you thought canon where taking the Pee and forced you to buy two different bodies so you can shoot movable objects in full frame instead of just producing one camera that does it all i.e a d700 equivalent.

money talks and if canon mess up and brng out a 5dmk3 thats barely an different then the mk2, most people wont buy it, especially those who have a mk2 already or even a mk1
 
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jonneymendoza said:
No but the way you go on, you go on as if our wallets dont mean nothing when infact it does.

If you are not a canon fanboy, you would jump ship if you thought canon where taking the Pee and forced you to buy two different bodies so you can shoot movable objects in full frame instead of just producing one camera that does it all i.e a d700 equivalent.

money talks and if canon mess up and brng out a 5dmk3 thats barely an different then the mk2, most people wont buy it, especially those who have a mk2 already or even a mk1
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I think you are reading it wrong. The 5D3 will be an improvement over the 5D2 but to expect it to have the same AF as the 7D or something better is pure folly. That would cut in to their sales of the 1Dx and which do you think makes more money for their shareholders? Canon pitch their cameras very carefully to market segments not individual users. That market segment is full of lots of very happy 5D2 users and very few people who may have bought the wrong camera from them. Canon will tell you if you want a full frame camera with the best AF available then get the 1Dx! ;)

You may have to face facts that the camera you want is a Nikon and jump ship.
 
menthel said:
I think you are reading it wrong. The 5D3 will be an improvement over the 5D2 but to expect it to have the same AF as the 7D or something better is pure folly. That would cut in to their sales of the 1Dx and which do you think makes more money for their shareholders? Canon pitch their cameras very carefully to market segments not individual users. That market segment is full of lots of very happy 5D2 users and very few people who may have bought the wrong camera from them. Canon will tell you if you want a full frame camera with the best AF available then get the 1Dx! ;)

You may have to face facts that the camera you want is a Nikon and jump ship.
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how would that cut into the 1dx sale? the 1dx AF system is night and day difference compared to the 7d.

When you already have previous canon gear, most cant be bothered to switch sides and so a 5dmk2 is THE ONLY option for them so of course it will be popular just like how iphone was the first true multitouch device.


So what can they improve on 5dmk2 minus AF? the AF is one of the MAIN things that needs to be sorted mate.
 
jonneymendoza said:
No but the way you go on, you go on as if our wallets dont mean nothing when infact it does.

If you are not a canon fanboy, you would jump ship if you thought canon where taking the Pee and forced you to buy two different bodies so you can shoot movable objects in full frame instead of just producing one camera that does it all i.e a d700 equivalent.

money talks and if canon mess up and brng out a 5dmk3 thats barely an different then the mk2, most people wont buy it, especially those who have a mk2 already or even a mk1
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By your logic no one would have bought the 5D Mkii either.
 
jonneymendoza said:
how would that cut into the 1dx sale? the 1dx AF system is night and day difference compared to the 7d.

When you already have previous canon gear, most cant be bothered to switch sides and so a 5dmk2 is THE ONLY option for them so of course it will be popular just like how iphone was the first true multitouch device.


So what can they improve on 5dmk2 minus AF? the AF is one of the MAIN things that needs to be sorted mate.
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How can it cut in? Simple- if the AF in the new 5D3 is good enough to get the images you need in sports, wildlife etc then you won't buy the 1Dx- the camera Canon want you to buy.

As for improving the 5D2- better DR, lower noise at higher ISOs and better DIGIC chips to power it would all be desirable in the market segment.

I am sure they will improve the AF in the 5D3 but don't expect it to be at the same level in both speed and complexity as the 7D or 1Dx- these are completely different beasts.
 
menthel said:
How can it cut in? Simple- if the AF in the new 5D3 is good enough to get the images you need in sports, wildlife etc then you won't buy the 1Dx- the camera Canon want you to buy.

As for improving the 5D2- better DR, lower noise at higher ISOs and better DIGIC chips to power it would all be desirable in the market segment.

I am sure they will improve the AF in the 5D3 but don't expect it to be at the same level in both speed and complexity as the 7D or 1Dx- these are completely different beasts.
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I agree- I think the best you can hope for is 50D/60D af in the 5DIII - if such a camera exists.
 
need a new camera dont want to buy a canon mark 2 just as the mark 3 come out, hurrry up canon.

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All the best
 
menthel said:
How can it cut in? Simple- if the AF in the new 5D3 is good enough to get the images you need in sports, wildlife etc then you won't buy the 1Dx- the camera Canon want you to buy.

As for improving the 5D2- better DR, lower noise at higher ISOs and better DIGIC chips to power it would all be desirable in the market segment.

I am sure they will improve the AF in the 5D3 but don't expect it to be at the same level in both speed and complexity as the 7D or 1Dx- these are completely different beasts.
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taking shots of wildlife and sport is not all to do with AF:bonk: what about range?(crop vs FF) and especially FPS? You really think a 19 cros type AF system/(give or take 5-6fps) on a 5dmk3 will take shots as good as a 1dx with 51? AF points at 12fps? na mate.

Dont dismiss the FPS. thats an important factor to consider for sports and wildlife shots
 
jonneymendoza said:
taking shots of wildlife and sport is not all to do with AF:bonk: what about range?(crop vs FF) and especially FPS? You really think a 19 cros type AF system/(give or take 5-6fps) on a 5dmk3 will take shots as good as a 1dx with 51? AF points at 12fps? na mate.

Dont dismiss the FPS. thats an important factor to consider for sports and wildlife shots
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Too close for canons good. It may be what you want but it's not what you will get. All of the rumours so far have pointed to less than 19 af points and not all being cross points. You are going to be sorely disappointed. But then perhaps you are not in canon's market segment for the 5D3.

I am not arguing, just trying to point out how these companies operate. The Internet is full of people foaming at the mouth demanding things in the next camera that just aren't going to happen, simply because it doesn't fit into the manufacturers scheme. Look at the new fuji- it looks like a great camera but the Internet is full of people fuming that it has not been designed from the beginning to work with Leica fit lenses. This is a similar situation- canon or fuji build for the people who will buy and use the camera- those are the people that make them money!
 
jonneymendoza said:
taking shots of wildlife and sport is not all to do with AF:bonk: what about range?(crop vs FF) and especially FPS? You really think a 19 cros type AF system/(give or take 5-6fps) on a 5dmk3 will take shots as good as a 1dx with 51? AF points at 12fps? na mate.

Dont dismiss the FPS. thats an important factor to consider for sports and wildlife shots
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5-6fps is very optimistic for 5DIII. 1Ds3 wasn't quite there. I think the 5D will keep the current 3-4 fps rate.
Even more importantly the current 5D has a massive shutter lag compared to 7D or 1D. And so on. These are features reserved for 1Dx, but AF is something that needs to be there. 50D AF in FF body is a bloody ridiculous joke, and that's what's effectively in there at the moment.

Just think about it £2000 camera that doesn't quite do the job properly! Please don't tell me it is acceptable.
 
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My money's on it being a 5d-x ;-)

Af will be improved but only to something similar to the 7d (maybe less af points in total still but more cross type than currently).

I reckon the main improvements will be the sensor noise and dynamic range. They'll also tweak the focus compensation so you can have two values per lens and a few other small bits and pieces (mode lock springs to mind).

Just guessing like everyone else though :lol: having recently bought my mkII I can't see any compelling reason to upgrade again, I couldn't care less about the AF.
 
daugirdas said:
5-6fps is very optimistic for 5DIII. 1Ds3 wasn't quite there. I think the 5D will keep the current 3-4 fps rate.
Even more importantly the current 5D has a massive shutter lag compared to 7D or 1D. And so on. These are features reserved for 1Dx, but AF is something that needs to be there. 50D AF in FF body is a bloody ridiculous joke, and that's what's effectively in there at the moment.

Just think about it £2000 camera that doesn't quite do the job properly! Please don't tell me it is acceptable.
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I'm looking at it differently. We have the 1Dx at £5.3k RRP (settling to £4.8k?) and the 5D2 now selling for £1.5k. The 1Ds3 has gone, and the 1D4 (poor man's 1Dx) is only there for as long as it suits Canon.

That is a huge gap for a wholly new camera to fit into, and leave the 5D2 and 7D alone for a while - they're both holding their own, nothing majorly wrong.

New camera, maybe 28-30mp, 6fps, good AF, top grade build - but no 12fps, or mega-ISO, or need for a big batt-pack. Think of it more as a reconfigured 1Ds3 replacement, RRP £3k, and appealing to a very different buyer to either a 5D2 or 1Dx.
 
How useful do we think the rate button is going to be, and not having a 7 or 60D what is the Q button for.

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