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Additionally, built-in WiFi will likely work the same as recent iterations in the Canon 6D (i.e., easy and usable). Notably, the 70D will feature a new Dual Pixel CMOS AF system, which should be 5x faster than previous-generation live view and movie mode AF. That’ll be a huge win for Canon if true, since Canon’s DSLRs have, to date, sucked in the live view AF department.
Canon 70D Specs

20.2mp CMOS Sensor
DIGIC 5+
19pt AF System (All Cross Type)
7fps
Built-in WiFi
3″ Vari-Angle Touch Screen LCD
ISO 12,800 Maximum
Dual Pixel CMOS Autofocus
Full HD Video
HDR
Multiexposure Mode
LP-E6 Battery
Announcement on July 2, 2013




http://petapixel.com/2013/06/27/canon-70d-photos-and-specs-spotted-in-leaked-advertisement/
 
Looks good to me, my 7D is under threat already. The only thing I didn't really like on the 7D was the ISO handling and as it looks like it might be improved on the 70D. I just hope the body has the top LCD and rear dial that I'm used to instead of doing everything on the touchscreen.
 
What we are seeing is pretty much a hybrid 7D and 60D with small additions such as 20mp and improved live view.

Iso range is the same as the 60D already so I presume its near the same noise capabillities.. anyone know what sensor its on?
 
I was hoping for something with a much better performing sensor, at least on a par with the Sony sensor ... hopefully they will have addressed that. The af performance boost seems to only be a benefit if you use live view or video (so that's me out) but the wi-fi and variable touch screen sounds interesting.

All in all I can't see much reason to change from my 7D (unless the sensor is much better than the original)
 
i'd think about it, just got a 60d and really enjoying it but its still got the sub par 9 point AF, so if the 70 gets the 19 point i'd consider it for sure.

also like the idea of the touchscreen etc, so i'd like to give it a hands on at least :)
 
I have the 60D and to be frank, 9 points although small in number doesnt mean you cant get the photos etc... same with regards to the claims of a shocking af, it really isn't that bad at all.

Not being funny but its good enough for me to get birds in flight and sell motorsport photos with so can't really see any benefits at all upgrading to the 70D *if* this is the specs.

As above, all it seems to me is a hybrid 7D / 60D with nothing beneficial for anyone with either to really warrant upgrading other than saying... " I have the newest gear " kind of thing.
 
As someone who was going to buy the 60D, it looks like it's worth holding out for the 70D.
 
Hazza said:
I'm more looking forward to the 7Dii, although this sounds like a leap from a 50D. Depends how much it is I suppose.
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It'll be interesting to see, its got the tilting screen, wifi and 1 fps more than the D7100 but overall I think Canon might have trouble trying to sell it for too much more. My guess is a high launch price followed by a swift drop in time for Christmas.

Good to see Canon finally making a change to ASPC sensors, I'm not in the market for an ASPC canon DSLR but if it can also improve DR/noise then their mirrorless system with a new EVF body might be tempting given how cheap the lenses are.
 
I imagine it will have the same poly-carbonate construction of the 60D which imo is good and bad. It is one of the reasons, however, that I sold my 60D and bought a 7D!
 
It would be a nice upgrade for Canon to match d7100, but I fear the sensor will still fall very short of the quality of the older full frames or 1d series. It should have less MP, not more!

I wonder if viewfinder will also shrink in line with X0D series?

Canon will make sure it is an enthusiast level body at most.
 
PMN said:
Couldn't agree more, increasing from 18MP on APS-C just seems ridiculous. I honestly can't see what the benefits are from piling even more pixels onto a sensor that's already so densely packed!
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Mr and Mrs Normal can easily be persuaded that more MP is better. Even when it's just 360 extra pixels wide.

It's all down to marketing. Like the 19pt AF system. That's already got loads of supposedly intelligent people claiming that it makes the AF system of the 70D the same as the 7D's. But it ignores the fact that the 7D has a processor that is dedicated to doing nothing but AF calculations - that's why it's AF system is so much better than the 60D.

Of course, Canon will be keeping quiet about the importance of the AF CPU - at least until the launch of the 7D MkII.
 
daugirdas said:
Canon will make sure it is an enthusiast level body at most.
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Well, yes. Otherwise there wouldn't be room for the 7D MkII between the 70D and the 1Dx. And having that yawning chasm would lose a lot of money.

So they need to keep things off the 70D to make the 7D MkII sufficiently better.

So far it looks as if those things may be -
  • 100% viewfinder
  • GPS
  • Dedicated AF processor
  • Mg-Alloy body
  • Micro Focus Adjust
  • Large raw buffer
Plus other possibilities.
 
More megapixels will always sell. It's what Joe Public feel is best. Like with cars - they focus on horsepower and don't realise that a car with peak 300hp over a small rev range is slower than a car with 250hp across the range.
 
As it's an all new sensor I've no doubt the technology has improved since the 18Mp sensor of the 550D/7D etc. It seems as though people want the 70D to be a competition for Nikon's D7100 but that's got 24Mp's. Sometimes it seems Canon can do nothing right. The 7D might have dual Digic 4 processors, using one for AF and one for the rest, but the 70D's going to have a Digic5+, which is the same as the 5D3's processor and I can definitely say that having just 1 Digic5+ it doesn't suffer. If the 70D is anywhere near as good as the 5D3 then I'd be first in the queue on release date.

After reading this http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/infobank/capturing_the_image/digic_processing.do it states that the Digic5+ processor is 17 times faster than the Digic4 so even with dual Digic4 the 7D will be a fair way behind. On processing power alone, which transmits into more fps, better AF and better noise reduction so the 70D looks like it could be a winner all the way.
 
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modchild said:
As it's an all new sensor I've no doubt the technology has improved since the 18Mp sensor of the 550D/7D etc. It seems as though people want the 70D to be a competition for Nikon's D7100 but that's got 24Mp's.
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If that's the main way they will judge the competition Nikon has a clear upper hand with the whole 4MP more. Easy.
 
daugirdas said:
If that's the main way they will judge the competition Nikon has a clear upper hand with the whole 4MP more. Easy.
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Not much that Canon can really do as with a smaller APS-C sensor than Nikon/Pentax/Sony it puts them at a bit of a disadvantage even assuming that their sensor is as good as the latest Sony or whatever (& that remains to be seen).
 
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heidfirst said:
even assuming that their sensor is as good as the latest Sony or whatever (& that remains to be seen).
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that is something we will have to wait and see.
I am in the camp of waiting to see what the new 70D or 7DII has to offer ref noise handling as the only thing that has stopped me upgrading to a 7D has been the many discussions of noise issues, which by all accounts is not a problem with the 7D if exposure is good and to the right which is something I have trouble with more often than not underexposing and cropping for birds and not going above iso 800 on my 40D
 
Anyone hoping that the 7DII or 70D will offer substantially better High-ISO noise handling that the existing 7D may be in for dissapointment. The 5D MKIII gained maybe two-thirds of a stop vs the 5D MKII. My guess is that the 7DII and 70D will offer similar or perhaps even smaller bumps, due to 12% higher pixel density.
 
michael23 said:
Looks like digital rev are ready for its release, though no pics or specs on there page.

As for noise levels, as long as it is an improvment on my 50d, then I would be very interested in the 70d.
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But no-one was complaining about the noise handling on the 5d mk II. Whereas the world and his wife are aware that the current Canon crop sensor is rubbish** :gag:

** not my personal opinion, but the internet tells me it's true so it must be.
 
hollis_f said:
No. The 7D has two Digic4 processors plus a dedicated AF processor.
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I stand corrected, but I've got a 7D and a 5D3 and comparing them both the 5D3 totally floors the 7D for AF. It focusses faster and more accurately than my 7D so if it's 'only' got 1 chip to do everything else as well as AF then I'd go for the single chip. If the 70D is anywhere close to the 5D3 it'll in AF then I'll be more than happy with it.

My only issue with the 7D, along with many others, is the high ISO handling. I do a lot of wildlife shooting in deep shadows some of the time and I struggle keeping the SS up enough. Admittedly, my Sigma 150-500 OS isn't the fastest of lenses, but it'll be cheaper getting a new body than a new 'fast and long' lens. If the 70D beats that the I can see it being a win/win situation and I, for one, can't wait till the 70D is released.
 
modchild said:
I stand corrected, but I've got a 7D and a 5D3 and comparing them both the 5D3 totally floors the 7D for AF. It focusses faster and more accurately than my 7D so if it's 'only' got 1 chip to do everything else as well as AF then I'd go for the single chip. If the 70D is anywhere close to the 5D3 it'll in AF then I'll be more than happy with it.

My only issue with the 7D, along with many others, is the high ISO handling. I do a lot of wildlife shooting in deep shadows some of the time and I struggle keeping the SS up enough. Admittedly, my Sigma 150-500 OS isn't the fastest of lenses, but it'll be cheaper getting a new body than a new 'fast and long' lens. If the 70D beats that the I can see it being a win/win situation and I, for one, can't wait till the 70D is released.
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It will be extraordinarily hilarious if the increase in noise performance is minimal, 'cos do you know what? Professional wildlife photographers across the World still use the 7D as their main body and they achieve amazing results. Pixel peeping is a ****ing disease. :cuckoo: Canon will continue to release APS-C sized sensors to make a quick buck from the hobbyists and enthusiasts. They're not aimed at the professionals among us. That doesn't mean to say that professionals cannot use them to their full advantage. However, if you care about IQ that much, then you'll ditch the small sensors all together. Otherwise, quick wasting your time moaning and get out there and shoot awesome pictures.
 
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modchild said:
I stand corrected, but I've got a 7D and a 5D3 and comparing them both the 5D3 totally floors the 7D for AF. It focusses faster and more accurately than my 7D so if it's 'only' got 1 chip to do everything else as well as AF then I'd go for the single chip.
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The 5D3 also has a dedicated AF processor, a much more up-to-date and faster processor than that in the 7D.
 
There is a difference between high iso numbers and high iso capabillities.

I refer to this line of text..

which has a newly developed 20MP sensor, will set a new benchmark in high ISO performance. Northlight Images reports that “the performance at 25600 [...] is a great jump over extended ISO on the current 18MP sensors“.

If the iso iso no better than the 18mp sensor at 6400 or 12800 iso then who gives a monkeys chuff if the highest setting is 25600iso?

A high setting is just a number, if its not usable then its total pointless tosh thats there to make you have a bigger pair than jo bloggs down the road. :)

My example ( although I take reviews and samples with a massive pinch of salt)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos60D/11

look at the 25600 of the 7100... would you really use that? seriously?

So in reality, people appear to be like they are with cars... numbers... numbers..... MORE numbers makes us happy! haha

and i'm not being funny but the difference between the images on 3200 and 6400 from the 60D and the Nikon 7100 is minimal at best.

I really dont get all the slating, if you want stonking perfect high iso performance, get a 6D or the alike.

For me, the tired old sensor is more than capable of 6400iso which has served its purpose even in very low light.
 
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25600 is a marketing joke. 5DIII is useless at that, and just barely becomes acceptable by 6400. 100-3200 is the actually useable range (1Dx might be better than that), so I would really like to see a crop sensor performing better that, or even more so flying pigs, that would really make impressive change to my pictures :)
 
daugirdas said:
25600 is a marketing joke. 5DIII is useless at that, and just barely becomes acceptable by 6400. 100-3200 is the actually useable range (1Dx might be better than that), so I would really like to see a crop sensor performing better that, or even more so flying pigs, that would really make impressive change to my pictures :)
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Hence my point of the 25600 number just being pub talk and all these people saying oooo the highest number is 10,000 more than the 18mp sensor!!

Who cares, it wont be usable and 6400 is more than enough in most situations... if not, use a flash
 
dalegt4 said:
There is a difference between high iso numbers and high iso capabillities.

I refer to this line of text..

which has a newly developed 20MP sensor, will set a new benchmark in high ISO performance. Northlight Images reports that “the performance at 25600 [...] is a great jump over extended ISO on the current 18MP sensors“.

If the iso iso no better than the 18mp sensor at 6400 or 12800 iso then who gives a monkeys chuff if the highest setting is 25600iso?

A high setting is just a number, if its not usable then its total pointless tosh thats there to make you have a bigger pair than jo bloggs down the road. :)

My example ( although I take reviews and samples with a massive pinch of salt)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos60D/11

look at the 25600 of the 7100... would you really use that? seriously?

So in reality, people appear to be like they are with cars... numbers... numbers..... MORE numbers makes us happy! haha
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It strikes me you're not even reading what it says, because you have an agenda it doesn't fit.

It says "the performance at 25600", from which you focus on the number, they're praising the performance, not the number, now clearly there's marketing BS going on, but pick your fights without twisting other people's words.
 
It doesn't seem that long ago that we thought ISO 1600 film was really fast, have we lost the ability to shoot at lower ISO's
 
Phil V said:
It strikes me you're not even reading what it says, because you have an agenda it doesn't fit.

It says "the performance at 25600", from which you focus on the number, they're praising the performance, not the number, now clearly there's marketing BS going on, but pick your fights without twisting other people's words.
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I have no agenda Phil in the fact I love Canon cameras so would always praise something if it offers significant goods.

i would love a 1DX, I think it is fantastic and a great upgrade and worth the money it commands.

It does ineed say the performance but it also says over the extended iso of the 18mp sensor.

This can be taken how you have taken, or how I took it.

As if you look at in the context of 25600 being superior to 12800 it is a major performance leap, I took it in terms of numbers as I personally don't see any images from this new camera or sensor as of yet.

In no way was I picking fights with any person or anything phil, in fact 99% of the time i always look at your posts and agree with what you have said.

Merely is that it appears to me that you and I see a written statement in differing ways.

But as for cameras, I always stand up for the canon sensors so i'm not ribbing anything, just merely pointing out how I percieved the statement.
 
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dalegt4 said:
I have no agenda Phil in the fact I love Canon cameras so would always praise something if it offers significant goods.

i would love a 1DX, I think it is fantastic and a great upgrade and worth the money it commands.

It does ineed say the performance but it also says over the extended iso of the 18mp sensor.

This can be taken how you have taken, or how I took it.

As if you look at in the context of 25600 being superior to 12800 it is a major performance leap, I took it in terms of numbers as I personally don't see any images from this new camera or sensor as of yet.

In no way was I picking fights with any person or anything phil, in fact 99% of the time i always look at your posts and agree with what you have said.

Merely is that it appears to me that you and I see a written statement in differing ways.

But as for cameras, I always stand up for the canon sensors so i'm not ribbing anything, just merely pointing out how I percieved the statement.
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OK
We can only wait and see, I love my Canon's and am a bit tired of hearing people bemoan the crop sensors. So I'm living in hope that they're climbing back to the top.:)
 
Phil V said:
OK
We can only wait and see, I love my Canon's and am a bit tired of hearing people bemoan the crop sensors. So I'm living in hope that they're climbing back to the top.:)
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I agree 100% Phil, the constant slagging of the Canon's (especially the 7/60D), it seems that everyone has it in for the "tired, crap, rubbish" where do I end(people say so much rubbish) 60d/7d etc sensor.. its strange as like i have said in previous topics, I still manage to get shots with it along with god knows how many other thousand people that use them.

To me it seems if people have a major problem exposing images then surely that lands on the person using the camera... not the camera itself.

Gets tiresome to hear every day so we are certainly on the same page! :)

Gets extremely tedious hearing the same old crap everytime a canon crop is mentioned.

When I look at the noise comparison pictures I really cant see much difference between the 60d sensor and the "apparently" so far superior 7100.

To be honest though, much like you i think, just don't care, they are a great camera and still capture stunning images if used correctly. :)

Certainly don't regret having my 60D's! :cool:
 
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daugirdas said:
25600 is a marketing joke. 5DIII is useless at that, and just barely becomes acceptable by 6400. 100-3200 is the actually useable range (1Dx might be better than that), so I would really like to see a crop sensor performing better that, or even more so flying pigs, that would really make impressive change to my pictures :)
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6400 is no problem, even an ISO 8000 image with a smidge of NR I've had printed in mags - anymore than that has noticeable banding
 
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