5dII or 7d? Tough call?

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I have a bit of a dilemma - until recently I was going to upgrade from my Canon EOS 50d to a 5dmk2 - and then out came the 7d. It's going to be used mainly for weddings with limited commercial works (small scale local projects) the 50d noise in low light was disappointing for me - but now not sure which way to go. What would you choose?
 
That was my thought - but seeing the new 7d just threw an ounce of doubt into my mind... Wanted to see what others thought. Didn't want to regret a decision if in a months time everyone said - oh you should have gotten the 7d - much better!! :)
 
:) its always a worry that youl want the one you didnt buy:p, but i guess for portrature at wedings, the great noisehandling and lovely full frameness, might be more usefull than better af?
just my thoughts
 
5dmk11 is full frame -7d is 1.6 sensor ,5d 21millionpixels very good at high iso,s
 
If you have the money for the 5D mark II, you don't have to think twice. :)
 
If you can afford a 7D, you can probably afford the 5Dii. There isnt really that much difference in the price at the moment, only a couple of hundred
 
I had exactly the same dilemma a couple of weeks ago, replace my 5d with a 5d2, a 1d3 or a 7d

After weighing up all the pros and cons of each camera and almost going out of my tree with it all, the 5d2 won through.

the AF on the 5d2 is no better than the original, while adequate it's positively pedestrian compared to the 1d and the 7d

single handed operation and excellent noise handling at high iso were 2 of the features that swayed me to stay with the 5 series.
 
For some use the 7D would be far preferable to a 5DII but not weddings!!

I guess you have probably got that message now!!
 
digitalfailure said:
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Can you elaborate? Is this an improvement over the Mk1 cos I can't for the life of me shoot one handed despite trying. I've even considered one of those divvy straps.
 
Yes I think I have :) Thanks everyone for contributing. I felt the best way to go was the 5dII - but was interested in hearing a number of peoples viewpoints... If anyone has a different opinion - please do feel free to share it.
 
I'm thinking of upgrading my 5D to a Mk 11, my only concern is the video. Its like having the internet on your phone - nice but rarely used and not really needed. Will Canon soon bring out a 21mp camera without the video at a lower price I'm wondering?
I always go for the full frame sensor so 7D doesn't get a look in.
 
I have no problems switching the main functions on the 5d single handed, it's a tad better on the mk2 as it has a touch more customisation and the iso button is in a different location . The 1 series has tiny buttons on the left side (where the 5 has a dial) which need a press before you can use your right hand.
 
Jeff said:
I'm thinking of upgrading my 5D to a Mk 11, my only concern is the video. Its like having the internet on your phone - nice but rarely used and not really needed. Will Canon soon bring out a 21mp camera without the video at a lower price I'm wondering?
I always go for the full frame sensor so 7D doesn't get a look in.
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I use the Internet access on my phone more than I use it for making calls. Likewise, video on the 5DMKII might not be much use to you, but for others it could be the feature that allows them the convenience of being able to distinguish themselves from others.
 
cymruchris said:
I have a bit of a dilemma - until recently I was going to upgrade from my Canon EOS 50d to a 5dmk2 - and then out came the 7d. It's going to be used mainly for weddings with limited commercial works (small scale local projects) the 50d noise in low light was disappointing for me - but now not sure which way to go. What would you choose?
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Hi cymruchris,is the wedding and comercial stuff something you are into then? or something you plan on taking up? :thinking: I am just wondering why you have not already got a full frame camera :shrug: If you could post some pics up of your dissapointing 50D low light shots that would be interesting for us to see as well.
 
u8myufo said:
Hi cymruchris,is the wedding and comercial stuff something you are into then? or something you plan on taking up? :thinking: I am just wondering why you have not already got a full frame camera :shrug: If you could post some pics up of your dissapointing 50D low light shots that would be interesting for us to see as well.
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Already in yes - started business about 12 months ago - establishing. Have done reasonably well so far - customers happy - but I'd rather offer better quality finished images to them. I can see the noise - when it prints it's not terrible terrible - but I know it could be very much better. I've been building the business, and with the income generated, want to upgrade to a full frame body - but the 7d was a bit of a spanner as people had the view that it was near a full frame quality...
 
I currently have both the 5DMk2 and the 7D, it is becomeing increasingly likely that I will be selling the 5DMk2 in the near future.

Why? Well I no longer have any intention of doing any commercial photographic work and will be trying my hand at wildlife and sport, the 7Ds faster Af and 8fps coupled with the 1.6x crop factor make it pretty much a no brainer for me.

If i was going to be doing commercial work in the wedding, portrait, product shot or landscape categories then the 5DMk2 would be the first choice. It is a great camera, the higher ISO quality is great, the 21mp full frame sensor has great IQ and allows massive enlargements.

So for your current requirements the 5DMk2 is the one to get.

If you can wait a week I should have decided whether or not I am selling my 5DMk2 and if you keep an eye on the classified section of this forum, you may well get a bargain.
 
digitalfailure said:
I had exactly the same dilemma a couple of weeks ago, replace my 5d with a 5d2, a 1d3 or a 7d



the AF on the 5d2 is no better than the original, while adequate it's positively pedestrian compared to the 1d and the 7d


I had the 1D mk3 and now shoot with the 5D mk2 and cannot tell much difference between them for autofocus. Then again i use fast lenses outdoors but that's just my humble opinion from someone who has owned them both :thinking:
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I'm surprised you can't see the difference between the speed and the accuracy of the 1d against the 5d, not mention the space between AF points.

I constantly find that even using the AF points on the outside of the group on the 5d I have to recompose or suffer loads of wasted space in the frame. I'd have really liked to have seen the spacing and number of points increased on the mk2.

I shoot a fair bit in dim clubs and the speed of the AF and it's accuracy in low light can be a problem, it's only it's excellent high iso performance that redeems it in those circumstances :D
 
digitalfailure said:
I'm surprised you can't see the difference between the speed and the accuracy of the 1d against the 5d, not mention the space between AF points.

I constantly find that even using the AF points on the outside of the group on the 5d I have to recompose or suffer loads of wasted space in the frame. I'd have really liked to have seen the spacing and number of points increased on the mk2.

I shoot a fair bit in dim clubs and the speed of the AF and it's accuracy in low light can be a problem, it's only it's excellent high iso performance that redeems it in those circumstances :D
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I agree with you on the AF points, There really should be more of them and i thought that was a strange one from canon. I think shooting in dim lit clubs you would see a difference in AF speed but for my wildlife which i'm really loving with the 5D mk2 it seems pretty damn quick to me, Right up there with the 1D mk3 :)
 
EdBray said:
So for your current requirements the 5DMk2 is the one to get.

If you can wait a week I should have decided whether or not I am selling my 5DMk2 and if you keep an eye on the classified section of this forum, you may well get a bargain.
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It seems this is the general consensus at the moment...

Oh and we all like bargains - I sent emails to a number of reputable photographic suppliers asking for their best deal - interestingly some came back saying they can't do better than their current prices as there's a bit of a shortage of 5dII's at the moment...
 
it's a no brainer for me....the 5D2 ....tried a 7D in jessops today & i have to say it felt cheap compared to my 5D2 & i hate the shutter sound it sounds like a compact camera....but thats just me
i suppose if you were coming up from a 40d or 50d it would be fantastic but i'm sticking with my wonderfull 5D2
 
i have to add that the images from the 7d were very nice in the few minutes i played with it....i put my EF17-40L on it & took a few shots outside...medium jpegs looked very good but can't open the raw files so i can't comment
 
Similar dilemma here, but not in position til next year now anyways. I shoot live bands, and currently have 40D. People say 5d2 has terrible AF, but can it really be worse than the 40D? The high iso is where the 5D gains for me. Depends if any other cameras come out from Canon with the 1D mk 4. Always something bigger and better, but really interested to know anything about autofocus between 40D and 5D2, sorry for hijacking thread.
 
britco said:
it's a no brainer for me....the 5D2 ....tried a 7D in jessops today & i have to say it felt cheap compared to my 5D2 & i hate the shutter sound it sounds like a compact camera....but thats just me
i suppose if you were coming up from a 40d or 50d it would be fantastic but i'm sticking with my wonderfull 5D2
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Not sure that I agree with that, although I don't like the sound of the shutter (sounds a little tinny to me sort of like the difference between a Bronica SQA and a Hasselblad)

The build quality is very good, the CF card door feels more robust and doesn't move or squeak like the one on my 5DMk2 does sometimes, I like the ergonomics a bit more of the 7D, the On/off switch is in a better place, it is much more easily adapted to suit an individual through the custom functions.

To be honest there is not a lot in it between the bodies build wise, for me its Af speed, 1.6 crop factor & 8fps vs FF IQ and higher ISO performance.

Horses for courses!
 
I wonder when the 5d III will be out? :)

I think the full frame, and ISO performance are what swing me towards the 5 - the 7 has a lot of great new features - such as the AF system - and the FPS - but they are not essential in my field... It's not often you need a high FPS unless the bride is doing a runner :)
 
cymruchris said:
the 50d noise in low light was disappointing for me - but now not sure which way to go. What would you choose?
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Have you altered the setting as has been discuss a lot on here the factory defaults need changing to get the best, no noise problems here or with others who have changed there settings
 
Your existing glass may come into play in the equation too.

There aren't many, but do you have any quality EF-S lenses that you'd miss, such as the 17-55 f/2.8? Of course, these won't work on the 5DII. Also bear in mind that in going full frame you'll change the effective focal length of your lenses so some of you existing glass may no longer do the job your used to, ie an 85mm on a 7D will have a net focal length of 136mm but 85mm on the 5DII.
 
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