50mm f1.4 vs 50mm f1.8

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I already have the f1.8, its a wonderful lens for the price don't get me wrong... But it feels so flimsy on my 7D, and I think its time for a change, Id like a real focusing ring too...

How is the 1.4 in build quality compared to the 1.8? Also I don't suppose anyone could post up samples of the 1.4 vs 1.8, side by side, I'd love to get an even more shallow depth of field for something I want to shoot, and I'd love to see how much wider the DoF is.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
There isn't much of a difference in DOF, and the f/1.4 build quality is crap. The focus ring does not move smoothly because it isn't properly damped, as the lens does not have a real USM motor. Vignetting at f/1.4 is absolutely comical as well. Stopped down to f/2.8 or further it's superb, but otherwise not worth the price.

Relative to the price you pay, I personally believe the f/1.8 is a better lens. Yes, the f/1.4 is better, but not ~£200 better.

-Have owned f/1.4 and f/1.8 fifties.
 
All true to a point, but:

There isn't much of a difference in DOF, and the f/1.4 build quality is crap.

Comparing the 1.4 to some other Canon lens that's true, but the 1.4 is still way better built than the 1.8

The focus ring does not move smoothly because it isn't properly damped, as the lens does not have a real USM motor.
True, but again while maybe the 1.4 focus ring isn't great, the 1.8 focus ring is straight-up awful.

Vignetting at f/1.4 is absolutely comical as well. Stopped down to f/2.8 or further it's superb, but otherwise not worth the price.
Maybe on full frame, but on APS-C it's nowhere near as bad

Relative to the price you pay, I personally believe the f/1.8 is a better lens. Yes, the f/1.4 is better, but not ~£200 better.

-Have owned f/1.4 and f/1.8 fifties.
Fair enough. I've owned both too and settled with the 1.4, but I can understand your point of view too.
 
Have a look at the Sigma 50mm f1.4, I've just picked one up and it's a decent bit of kit. Good build and satisfyingly large as well :)

...and even dearer than Canon's f/1.4.
 
Cost isn't a huge issue, I just want something that feels as nice in the hands as the 7D. I've got no performance issues with the 1.8 really, its just the build is shocking. The Sigma is definitely something I'll be looking at.
 
The 50 F1.4 has a very fragile part in the focusing mechanism (I believe a nylon cog or something). If this breaks (perhaps that should be when, not if) you can't focus it any more.
 
I've had all the following in order of purchase:

EF 50mm f1.8 Mk2 (poorly built, performs well but feels like a toy, no focus window)
EF 50mm f1.4 (better build, performs well, has potential engineering issues)
EF 50mm f1.8 Mk1 (good built quality, performs excellently, non USM m otor though)
Sigma 50mm f1.4 (fantastic build quality, IQ quality excellent, larger than others with 77mm filter ring, USM motor, can have some focus issues, mine needs +20 micro adjustment but the bokeh is just so much much better than any of the others.

My first choice would be the Sigma, make sure that it is purchased from a UK supplier so you can send it in to be adjusted if it needs it (after that it's a fantastic lens). It has the best build quality, best bokeh by far, best edge/corner IQ, best AF motor and great feel on the camera. It is as near to an L lens as you can get without the red ring and at about a 1/3 of the price.

Second choice would be a Mk1 f1.8, cheaper than the f1.4 with a similar build quality and IQ and more reliable motor.
 
Another vote for the sigma, I went to the sigma after the 1.8. My first copy was really poor, front or back focussing, can't remember exactly which but sent it back to amazon and the second one was spot on.

The bokeh on the lens blows the 1.8 out of the water. That's what made me change in the end. Sharpness you won't be able to compare, build quality is a no brainer of course but the bokeh is a dream from the sigma.

There is also a comparison here of the canon and sigma 1.4's

http://blog.digitalrev.com/2010/08/04/battle-of-the-bokeh-canon-50mm-f1-4-vs-sigma-50mm-f1-4/
 
I have the Canon Mk1 50mm f1.8 and think it's a super bit of kit. Build quality is fine (it's lasted well over 20 years so far!) and the IQ is pretty good too.

Steve
 
I pretty much agree with the prior posts. I've had the Canon 50/1.8 and replaced it with the Canon 50/1.4. The improvements were incremental and disappointing. Main complaint is the AF. It is not a "proper" ring USM motor and does not have the speed and accuracy of the real thing. The design is very old. If you don't know the problem with the AF motor design, and how to protect it, you could easily end up with busted AF.

I've never used the Sigma, but if you can find one that will focus properly then that should be the leader of the pack and worth the price premium. I was too nervous about Sigma's reputation where focusing is concerned, which is why I stuck with Canon. I'm not convinced it was the right decision.
 
The 50 F1.4 is one of the canon primes crying out for an update (along with the F1.8 and all of the remaining AFD lenses).
 
I've got the Canon 1.4 but haven't used it enough or any of the others at all, to draw comparisons, but I am happy with it thus far.

Apologies for the thread hijack, but how do you "protect the AF"? I presume simply don't adjust it manually when it's set to AF?

Thanks.
 
Put a lens hood on. The inner barrel extends with the AF and if this gets pushed or bashed then the AF motor could be buggered. A hood will stop that.

it's even worse on the f/1.8, as the hood latches onto the inner barrel itself.
 
Put a lens hood on. The inner barrel extends with the AF and if this gets pushed or bashed then the AF motor could be buggered. A hood will stop that.

it's even worse on the f/1.8, as the hood latches onto the inner barrel itself.

Many thanks, will do!
 
Put a lens hood on. The inner barrel extends with the AF and if this gets pushed or bashed then the AF motor could be buggered. A hood will stop that.

it's even worse on the f/1.8, as the hood latches onto the inner barrel itself.
And never reverse it. You want to keep the hood in the extended position in order to prevent pressure on the front of the lens. Also do not be tempted to nest another lens into the front of the the 50/1.4. That will render to protection of the hood entirely null.

There is one additional measure you can take, with or without hood. If you store the lens with it focused at infinity then that will provide some protection in the event of pressure being exerted on the front of the lens. Combine that with the lens hood and you should be pretty safe.
 
DPreview did extensive tests on Canon and Sigma 50 1.4s. Nikon, Pentax and Sony too I think, plus a the nifty-50.
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/

Sigma wins easy. It's expensive (£350) compared to the other old heritage designs, but that's the point - it's a completely new lens, and compared to other modern designs that deliver pretty damn good performance at f/1.4 (of which there are very few) it looks like a bit of a bargain.
 
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Might be worth reading this before you decide?

(from: http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/sigma_50_1p4_c16/page6.asp)

Overall conclusion

When Sigma first announced the 50mm F1.4 EX DG HSM in March, our story headline (courtesy of our news editor and punmeister-in-chief) was 'A new standard?', and this has turned out to be remarkably prescient. This new lens essentially redefines its class, and for once the results really live up to the marketing hype; compared to previous designs, we see significantly improved sharpness at large apertures (presumably due to a reduction in aberrations through the use of an aspherical element), and substantially lower vignetting due to that that oversized lens barrel. Chromatic aberration (both axial and lateral) has been impressively minimized, and distortion is low - in optical terms there's simply little to fault.

In short, Sigma appears to have taken a fresh look at how photographers now tend to use 50mm primes as a complement to zooms for low-light and portrait shooting, and optimised the lens to match, paying attention predominantly to high central performance at wide apertures over corner-to-corner evenness stopped down. The designers have also recognised the dominance of DX/APS-C as the current de facto standard sensor size, and ensured good performance across the frame even on this resolution-hungry format. The rendition of out-of-focus backgrounds is pleasantly smooth, again suggesting that Sigma considered portrait shooting to be an important application when designing this lens. The result is a 50mm F1.4 which is a far better portrait lens on APS-C than legacy primes designed for 35mm film, as well as an extremely competent standard on 35mm full-frame.

All is not perfect, of course; the 50mm F1.4 EX DG HSM still can't achieve anything approaching genuine corner-to-corner sharpness on full frame at wide apertures, however it does much, much better than the other 50mm F1.4 lenses we've tested so far, and it's important to realise that depth of field is so limited at these apertures that even getting the subject in sharp focus is a trial, let alone the corners (even a slight relative movement of the photographer and subject will result in a misfocused image). Also, the older 50mm F1.4 designs measurably outperform it for corner-to-corner sharpness at smaller apertures on full-frame, so if you're shooting primes for absolute image quality at F8, it offers little advantage. It's also physically quite large and heavy, as a direct consequence of all that glass needed to reduce vignetting, and therefore no longer really fits the bill as a small light prime to drop into the bag for discreet shooting; indeed it's very nearly as big as Canon's EF 50mm F1.2L USM. This in turn means it takes far more expensive 77mm filters; by contrast existing 50mm F1.4 designs make do with threads ranging from 49mm (Pentax) to 58mm (Canon). And whilst it looks like it could be the ideal fast portrait prime for Four Thirds, it appears unlikely to be able to match the Zuiko Digital ED 50mm F2.0 Macro for outright sharpness.

Of course the biggest negative currently against the Sigma is its price; it's significantly more expensive than the equivalents from the major camera manufacturers, and so the question becomes whether that optical superiority at wide apertures is worth the price premium. At the time of writing (August 2008), that's a very tough call, but it's important to understand that this lens is currently very much at the start of its product lifecycle, and if the price drops to a level much closer to the other 50mm F1.4s, then it will be quite simply a steal.
 
Wish I knew about the fragile 50 f1.4, and protected it with a lens hood. Had a filter on it, dropped it, and now costs £175 to fix Oo
 
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