50D Announced

Oh and meant to say, other than the ability to crop the hell out of your photos, why is the 15mp really anything most of us will ever need assuming we aren't planning on an advertising hording (sp?) campaign.

If its the crop thing, I can see a lot of people with pro-leanings getting a bit hot under the collar here as another element of the skill of photography gets gobbled up by technology....
 
Oh I hear you there!!!

But we must remember motorsport is a tiny fraction of photography with very particular demands that don't feature on many other tog's radar.

I was researching this AF speed question yesterday and found that Canon claimed a 1.3 times performance increase in AF speed between the 30D and the 40D (that is just speed, not to do with number of cross points). Trying to find anything about the 40D vs 50D I turned up nothing, so I emailed Canon to ask them...

I am still waiting for the answer, but reading between the lines I don't think its going to be a significant improvement.

In fact, Rob Galbraith (love him or hate him!) says:



I think the super whizzy AF system us motorsport togs will always remain the territory of the specialised 1D family, because that is what they are designed for!

In case you hadn't seen it, Mr Galbraith was pretty cutting in his opinion on the 40D AF system recently:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9068-9537#40d

Interesting read, must admit my 40d is better then 30d, but never really played with a 1d enough to see. Shall compare results over the weekend.
 
I dont see enough of a difference between the 40 and 50 to warrant the cost of an upgrade. More pixels and higher ISO are nice but not £1200 nice!
 
Just like to point out to those hoping the price of a 40D will plummet that this is not a replacement but will run alongside the current range.

That would explain the big price gap between the two.
 
Interesting read, must admit my 40d is better then 30d, but never really played with a 1d enough to see. Shall compare results over the weekend.

You and me too :woot:

Although it will be my lenses on the 1d, so I am not expecting miracles because I won't have time to calibrate them.... but AF should be much better anyway.

Coming back on topic, if the 50D has the AF calibrate the same as the 1D MkIII then that is gonna cause some headaches as it seems the calibration is not an optional extra, its a real requirement... hence my comment above to Russdaz!
 
Yeah that is so that WHE don't get stiffed with a big pile of 40's they can't sell! LOL!

The WHE reviewer would not dare tell lies for commercial advantage after being invited by and told otherwise by Canon.

We shall see.
 
You and me too :woot:

Although it will be my lenses on the 1d, so I am not expecting miracles because I won't have time to calibrate them.... but AF should be much better anyway.

Coming back on topic, if the 50D has the AF calibrate the same as the 1D MkIII then that is gonna cause some headaches as it seems the calibration is not an optional extra, its a real requirement... hence my comment above to Russdaz!

You dont have to, the camera mk3 will work but maybe not upto the full capabilitles of the lens once micro-adjustment's have been made.

Personally i am holding off a mk3, but am interested in possibly mk2 very cheaply to get me by until next season. The 40d is just as good on the 70-200mm f2.8 as the mk2, but the mk2 is killing the 40d on the 400mm 5.6, even with a 1.4tc fitted which the 40d can not gain any focus lock at all with.

If you at the DTM's then feel free to give us a shout, if you want to try anything in my sig, cant use 3 camera and 2 lenses and 2 tc's at the same time.
 
one rainy afternoon, i decided to calibrate all of my lenses on my 1Dmk3. there is a -20 to plus 20 adjustment scale in the microadjustment process.... so, about 9 lenses later and a couple of hours of playing about, the default calibration was about spot on with every lens i have. a couple of them were maybe 1 or 2 points above or below but it was next to nothing and it's pretty difficult to tell the difference between shots on each setting with 1 or 2 points on the scale.

so it's not something that is required, but it may allow you to squeeze some extra sharpness out of what i find already to be a superb machine.

if i was in the market for another single digit D body, i think i'd definitely be holding off to see what else canon pull out of the bag in the near future.
 
Like a 1d mk3n, or even a 1dmk4. I very nearly brought a 1dmk 3 the other day until i heard about the 50d, not because i am tempted by the 50d, but more what else will be coming soon, particularly as i have been offered a very cheap 1d mk2 which i shall be testing.

The 50d shall be in a very interesting segment if they continue to sell the 40d alongside it ***.
 
Well, you could wait forever for something to come along.

One thing is for sure, the next Canon model will be better than the one they just released and somewhere between 1 and 2 years after the last one was released.

Skip one, buy one is the way I am playing this...
 
Very true, but tbh, i only have about 5 weekends tops that i would really use a mk3 to its full potentail until next season, for most stuff other then motorsport, and birds in flight the 40d will do just as well as the mk3, so can easily wait and upgrade the lens instead to a nice 400mm f2.8, or very tempted by the 500 f4
 
You just need to be more imaginative with what you find to shoot over the winter... watch this space!
 
Might make a perfect upgrade from the 400D I've had for a while now.
 
Well, I asked Canon about any AF performance increase and they first replied with an email telling me about the FPS (quoted from the spec sheet) and then when I pointed out I actually had asked about AF performance I got told they couldn't answer that question.

Doesn't seem like they want to sell me a 1200 quid camera does it...

I'm sure I can find someone else who will!
 
i would expect it to be exactly the same system as in the 40D
 
Well, its not shouted about, so I would probably guess its the same, but it would be nice for Canon to actually tell me!
 
I think the answer is that there's no alteration to the AF system from the 40D, however, there's a review I've seen by a wildlife tog who talks about it being faster even than his 1DMk3 and 1DSMK3. I'll try and find a link. Obviously, don't believe everything you read, especially, when the geezer has been paid by Canon for the review, or at least for his part in an advertising video, but it does bode wel, and this guy is a well respected wildlife tog. Some schools of thought are that the Digic1V processor plays a big part in AF speed and operation. I suppose so, but technically, that's way over my head.

What I can tell you is that the 40D is much faster and more positive in AF than the 20D, against static or fairly static subjects - at least as fast as the 1DMK2n. I wouldn't expect the 40D to match the 1DMK2n for fast moving subjects, although it's no slouch, so I wouldn't be expecting it from the 50D either, which is why I was surprised by thi guy's review.
 
Here you go... make of it what you will..

Quote

"At the end of June, a Dutch advertising agency asked if I wanted to be part of a product and commercials for a new camera. I didn't know what camera model it was, only that it would be a camera for amateurs with some enhanced features.One of the features mentioned was an improved AF. I said yes, my experience with Canon is that they deliver good cameras. But I would like to have the time to test the camera first, I have promised nothing.
Competition between the camera has become tougher, and it is of necessity very hush-hush about new products to be introduced on the market. In mid-July arrived camera body up to my favourite place in Norway, in an anonymous cardboard - and along with it came a Canon representant from Europe office.

I am familiar with Canon's EOS 1 D Mark III and
1 Ds Mark III.​
The former, with its extreme rates of up to ten pictures i use with fast action and when I need to exceed 1600 in the ISO (because of low noise). The image files of 12 megapixel accept even some cropping.
EOS 1 Ds model with 22 megapixel do I use when a frame of five pictures in seconds is enough and when I have enough light to avoid having to go over the ISO 800-1600. Then is it in it's own class in terms of image quality.

What I had in hand in July proved to be an advanced amateaur body or semipro with a 15 Megapixel sensor and 6.3 images per second. I have not photographed with the earlier XXD models apart from 10 D. Despite the instruction manual was missing, it took only a few minutes to get acquainted with the features of the new 50D.
What interested me first and foremost with the camera was how th AF would react. According to oral information, it would be fitted with a new DIGIC IV processor, which would further improve the auto performance.

Before I went out with my rental boat to photograph Gulls, I wanted to test the AF on dry land. In the one-shot mode, I put the focus on my 300 / 2.8 IS on infinity and i focused on the gravel three feet away and pressed down. I repeated the process with different motives closely adjacent and the AF sat there with surprising speed every time. Amazingly fast I must add.
I tested the camera with 70-200/2,8 and set the AI Servo while I quickly panned down from the beach 200 feet away on the other side of the water to the surface of the water a few metres in front of me. The focus tracked fine all the time.

When I took up my EOS 1 D Mark III and did the same thing the result was less convincing, I have experienced Mark III-s as fast, but EOS 50 D was clearly faster. I repeated the manoeuvre a dozen times with two cameras.
När det i alla fall gäller stillastående motiv är min bedömning att EOS 50D har världens troligen hittills snabbaste autofokus.​
When the motive is still its my assessment that the EOS 50D has probably the world's fastest AF.

The next question was how the camera would work out in the field. To photograph flying birds belongs to the most difficult and most challenging you can expose a camera for in terms of AF.

The new EOS 50D with EF 300 / 2.8 IS and EF 70-200/2, 8 IS with and without 1.4 TC managed for the most part to follow the Gulls which flew after the boat or who flew at me when we anchored. If i aimed correct and gave the camera few tens of a seconds to react i always got sharp images. When it was not sharp, it was I who had missed having the bird in the centre. I used AI SERVO AF with only the central focus point active.

To further test the AI Servo i tried to shoot with all AF points activated. I also stopped down a bit to further increase the DOF. To my surprise, the new EOS 50D with 70-200/2,8 and 300/2.8 worked quite well following birds even with all the AF-points activated. I do not think it works always, but this was clearly better than in any previous camera, I tried.

The speed of 6.3 images per second is sufficient to be able to capture the eagle wings in different positions. My experience tells me that the critical point is located somewhere of about five pics per seconds. Is the speed higher than you can capture wings in different positions with most birds, including birds of prey and owls.

Compared to MKIII with the ten pic per seconds it is of course a difference, but in practice it is rarely i would miss the images because to lover 6.3 FPS.
Back in my hotel room I checked the image files. Unfortunately I had been forced to take photographs in JPG format, since none of the RAW converters didnt work with the 50D files. The files were larger than I had expected. I had expected a 12-13 mpix sensor but the 50D have 15 mpix.

Image size of 15 megapixels give me as a photographer great opportunities to crop the images sharply and still use them for example, as a full page in a book (with some interpolation). Large image files is especially important for bird photographers. How many times is your framing perfect when shooting with only the center AF point active? Anyone who photographed birds know that now and then you have to crop.

To see what the 50D is capable of ISO wise, I shot high ISO speeds (ISO 640 to 1600) almost all the time. Unfortunately, I had no way in such a short time to make a proper test. My feeling is that noise level is low, especially given the fact that I had to work with jpg files, and that Canon pressed in as much as 15 megapixels in a APS-C-sensor (22.3 x 14.9 mm).

Another feature that was introduced already with the previous model wasthe Highlight Tone Priority. Its purpose is to save highlights from getting burned out. I have earlier mentioned in my blog the difficulty of exposing a white bird right against a dark background. Although the white bird occupies a relatively large surface area (25-35%), a darker background steals much light and fool the to think camera think that the subject as a whole is darker - and therefore expose brighter than the white bird actually tolerate. This applies to all cameras and brands.

When I tested the EOS 50D I shot with Auto WB, something I normally never do in JPEG mode. Only when I shoot in RAW format I usually dare to shoot in Auto because I always can change WB after. But now I wanted to see how well the Auto WB worked.

In 50% of the cases, I was completely happy, but when I had water in the frame and a little warmer evening light the camera tried to switch WB. I therefore recommend that at least when shooting in JPEG, where possible, itself set the WB to have complete control.

In the case of flash automatic my experience is that they often underexpose, which certainly is better than the opposite. I had no expectations when I took a few test with the built-in flash on the EOS 50D.I used Auto and photographed a face that occupied 15-20 percent of the fram with a very dark background. I then photographed a room with white walls, and a number of different motives. I have no experience of the previous cameras in the series, 30D and 40D, and I am surprised that automatically managed all these situations. The white walls were not gray but remained white, the WB also acted well.

I had only three days to test the camera and based on that limited i felt felt the camera very easy to work with. I have never before been so fond of smaller cameras but preferred a larger body to grip. But even without the grip the 50D felt comfortable. And after three days with a light body, I must admit that it has its obvious benefits to the heavier 1 series.
LCD screen was bright and big enough that I could easily control the image quality - and the histogram.

With the expanded file size of 15 megapixels, a frame rate of 6.3 images per second and with perhaps the fastest AFs on any camera the only one thing I could swear over was when Canon Representative wanted to pack the camera in the anonymous package again. Possibly could be one more thing to concern me. When the price of 1000-1200 € allows the majority (in our part of the world) to buy a body which in many ways is in class with the best pro bodies, yes how much difference is it between pro's equipment from amateur photographers?

The latter, I take that as a professional challenge.

Note: I received a compensation for being part of the advertising movie. I recieved however no compensation by Canon to write this.

End Quote

And link to the post on POTN
 
One thing to note from that article is that both lenses where f2.8, the 40-50d have increased accuracy with the center spot. The 40d is much slower to track with a f5.6 then the f2.8.

But yes id agree if the 50d focus's as quickly on static shots as the 40d then it most differently can compete with the 1d mk2, and mk3's. But servo i think is a tad slower of the mark.
 
Without actual scientific results its really hard to say - this is pure gut feel at best.

Besides, my quest for AF speed is definitely in servo mode for (fast) moving objects!
 
Well based upon the fact my hit rates with the all three lenses 70-200mm f2.8, 300mm f4, and 400mm f5.6 where about the same on the 30d, the hit rate shot up on the 70-200mm 2.8, so much i dicided to sell the 300mm f4, as focus more hits and the crop meant i could get more image from that. The 1d mk2 will focus with a 1.4 on the 400mm f5.6 that the 40d wont, and appears to track much better with that combo then the 40d without the tc. Like i say if you around tomorrow at the DTM's you more the welcome to try a 40d out and either lens i wont be using at the time, to give yourself the best possible chances of choosing.
 
You take a big hit in the pocket ugrading a 1 Series body compared, to a XXD body. If you really need the bouncability of the 1 Series build quality, then you'll suck on the cost, but I wonder how many of us really do? Many of us would be better off spending that big money on glass.

I agree CT, do I really need the bullet proof build of the EOS 1. My next body will have to last me for quite a while so I'm looking at the best I can afford currently, hoping it will solve my dilemma. I'm not one for pixel counting as my humble 30D produces some fine results (and some of the images that Pate Carr produces are asounding) but it's on human to compare the 50D's 15MP with the EOS 1D 10MP output. I know the EOS 1 Mk3 is not about megapixels, but frame rate, build, AF etc.

I basically need longivity in my next purchase.
 
I agree CT, do I really need the bullet proof build of the EOS 1. My next body will have to last me for quite a while so I'm looking at the best I can afford currently, hoping it will solve my dilemma. I'm not one for pixel counting as my humble 30D produces some fine results (and some of the images that Pate Carr produces are asounding) but it's on human to compare the 50D's 15MP with the EOS 1D 10MP output. I know the EOS 1 Mk3 is not about megapixels, but frame rate, build, AF etc.

I basically need longivity in my next purchase.

Well it's a trade off between which is most important to you - the extra reach of the crop sensor, or the build quality and 45 AF points of the 1 series. You can't have both - not in one body anyway.

I went the 1 Series route buying a 1DMK2n the minute it hit the market, for £2800. I loved everything about it, but it slowly dawned on me that the 20D was giving me noticeably more reach with the 500mm for bird shots and the 1 Series started to take a back seat. 18 months later I sold it for £1500.

I have to smile at people complaining about the price of the 50D when you consider that at 15 million pixels, it's as near as damn it, 1DSMK2 territory, and on a 1.6X crop sensor at that. I can't see it as anything but a bargain, :shrug:
 
I have to smile at people complaining about the price of the 50D when you consider that at 15 million pixels, it's as near as damn it, 1DSMK2 territory, and on a 1.6X crop sensor at that. I can't see it as anything but a bargain, :shrug:

I couldn't agree more :thumbs: I for one will be at the front of the queue to get one, this is the camera I have been waiting for :D
 
Are you guys not going to wait for the reviews to find out how the 50D performs at high ISO?
 
Well I'm unlikely to be pre-ordering, purely because I'm not going to get much shutter time for at least a couple of months, but otherwise, I don't think I'd have any qualms about being an early adopter- it's a completely new sensor technology in this camera, which I'm sure will deliver on the claims made for it.

For those who want to jump right in, I've seen it advertised on a UK site at the launch price, but with a free battery grip, which is better than most offers I've seen yet. Can't find the site again now though! :shrug:
 
Are you guys not going to wait for the reviews to find out how the 50D performs at high ISO?

Nope. If the 40D performs as well as it does at 800 ISO I can't believe the 50D is going to be any worse.

For those who want to jump right in, I've seen it advertised on a UK site at the launch price, but with a free battery grip, which is better than most offers I've seen yet. Can't find the site again now though! :shrug:

Can you remember where that was Cedric? I'd be interested in bookmarking that site :)
 
LOL. I can't find the sod!! :lol:
 
LOL and I bet you just knew someone was going to ask :lol:
 
:thumbs:

Thanks CT :)
 
My pleasure sir! :)

I have the BG- E2N grip for the 40D anyway. It's worth noting though that the 20D battery grip works just fine on the 40D too, so should be OK on the 50D.
 
Yeah, thanks CT.

Rgb-tech.co.uk have the 50D body available for pre-order @ £899.99!
 
Only £114.99 for the battery grip too!
 
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