350D vs 400D advice please?

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Hi all,

I have been going through a rather angst ridden phase trying to decide whether to revert to medium format film or push on to DSLR. I won't bore you with all the pros and cons for either side that I've managed to come up with, lets just say that I'm now starting to climb down off the fence on the digital side.

However, looking through the items on our favourite auction/sales website I came across this little gem and wondered if this opinion is one that I should be taking into account.

I quote: "Also for anyone looking to get a 400D... Don't! I've had a look at the 400D and it is very similar to this camera apart from some external body changes (bigger LCD screen) which arent very important when you think about it! Also i've heard countless times that the 400D actually has a cheaper sensor than the 350D but was given 2 mliion more pixels to help sell it as an upgrade. In my opinion its not worth the extra money!

Advice would be very much appreciated as I can't find any such opinions on the reviews that I've found.
 
What's the source of the quote? To be honest it sounds like sheer baloney.

I don't use either camera, but they're both excellent. Given the choice it would be the 400D for me, purely because the 350D has been around a while now and the 400D will keep you up with the game better.
 
I'm no expert but it sounds like a load of crap to me too I am happy with the 400D and the large monitor. Whether its happy with me is a differant matter :D
 
From Digital Camera Review.

Conclusion - Pros
  • Excellent resolution, lots of detail, not a leap from eight megapixels, but certainly from six
  • Good color with selectable PictureStyles for different subject types
  • Good dynamic range (more than peers) with soft roll-off of highlights
  • 'Integrated Cleaning System' designed to keep dust at bay
  • Widest range of image parameter adjustments among its peers
  • Low noise throughout the sensitivity range, noise reduction maintains detail well
  • Good in-camera image processing, resolution advantage shooting RAW is slight
  • Larger, brighter and more detailed LCD monitor
  • Re-designed user interface a great improvement over the EOS 350D
  • On-screen setting adjustment (ISO, WB, etc.) surprisingly quick and easy to use
  • Updated nine point AF system, proved fast, accurate and still good in low light
  • Very fast off to shot time (virtually instant), slightly slower if you want to read screen
  • Numerous small bug fixes improve usability
  • Magnification available in record review (although requires two button press)
  • Small and light but hand grip is still too small, can be uncomfortable for large hands
  • Excellent supplied software bundle, two RAW conversion options
  • Remote capture software included for computer controlled shooting
  • Unique JUMP mode in playback (by date, 10 or 100 images)
  • Value for money
Conclusion - Cons

  • Kit lens disappointing, better to buy body only and spend more on a good lens
  • Sporadic continuous shooting once buffer is full
  • Occasional under-exposure issue with Evaluative metering
  • Average automatic white balance performance, still very poor under incandescent light
  • ISO, WB, Metering mode etc. not displayed on viewfinder status bar during change
  • Flash must be raised for AF assist
  • No Kelvin white balance selection in-camera
  • No spot metering
  • No mass storage device USB driver, poor WIA transfer rates (and awkward to use)
  • Opening the CF compartment door shuts camera down, loses any buffered images
  • Small viewfinder view
Overall conclusion

Canon changed the entire digital camera market when they revealed the EOS 300D. Launched in a huge way, they clearly expected it to be a big success. The ripples of that day forced prices lower and removed an entire category of camera (the 'prosumer' all-in-one compact). Canon put digital SLRs into the hands of people who would otherwise never had considered one. For better or worse the sub-$1000 digital SLR had arrived. Of course the EOS 300D was a huge commercial success, as too was its successor, the EOS 350D, which followed eighteen months later.
The EOS 400D (Rebel XTi) turned out to be everything we expected it to be; a progressive upgrade to the already hugely successful EOS 350D (Rebel XT). Image quality was just as good, with plenty of detail, low noise and sophisticated noise reduction at higher sensitivities an well balanced, and thanks to PictureStyles predictable, color and tone. It also has a significantly improved user interface, dust reduction system, 9 point auto-focus, larger LCD monitor and combined status display / setting change system. All this in a camera which is just as small and light as the camera it replaces.
With all that in mind it's a pity we could so easily have predicted the 400D; with the commercial success of the 350D in their minds Canon clearly didn't want to take any risks with the 'winning formula'. This, however, is perhaps the EOS 400D's achilles heel; that it was so predictable. So predictable in fact that Nikon clearly saw it coming and went one better with the D80; they also managed to close the image quality gap to a degree where the differences are as good as irrelevant.
There were several areas of the EOS 400D which I thought I would not like but in use were actually perfectly usable. The use of the main LCD monitor for status display worked well; Canon's choice of a white background making a quick glance all you need to know how the camera is configured. Changing settings on the screen also worked well; thank goodness Canon addressed the 'must press SET button' issue we raised with the EOS 350D. Indeed changing some settings turned out to be easier on-screen than on other cameras which require a hold+turn combination.
Where does the EOS 400D come up short? For me, the camera isn't as comfortable to use as the Nikon or Sony. This may sound petty but I do feel that Canon's tiny grip is a mistake of form over function. Nor does it have the D80's large and bright pentaprism viewfinder, nor can it match the 'eye on the scene' feel you get from the short viewfinder black-out time. The D80 also gives you the surprisingly useful configurable automatic ISO, spot metering, a wider range of customization, wireless flash control, advanced battery information and in-camera retouching. The A100's trump card is it's in-camera CCD-shift Anti-Shake, and we haven't even started to consider Pentax's recently announced K10D which at least on paper is looking like a very strong competitor.
Thanks to its blood line and low price the EOS 400D will no doubt be a huge success for Canon. However unlike the EOS 350D, for me it's no longer the first or obvious choice, so before jumping on the bandwagon make sure you've weighed up the competition.
 
Thanks for your confirmation of my suspicions. I found it hard to believe myself but only being a potential newbie DSLR owner and not knowing a great deal about digital cameras as a whole I was a bit nonplussed at the statement.

My Fuji 4900Z had always done pretty much what I expected of it (which wasn't a lot tbh) but I have been blown away by the quality of pics on this site, especially where they have been savagely cropped to show a detail. No matter how much I badger the local processing shop they won't give me a scan of my film negs that stands up to pics here so I'm now looking to transfer properly to digital with either a 350 or 400D.

Thanks again.

Chris
 
The 'truth' (as only I see it, your mileage may vary) is somewhere between the lines.

The sensor is not a 'cheapo' that they have chucked in, but what HAS happened is that the increase in pixels has not necessarily lead to an improvement in image quality. The pixel race, on a similar size sensor can lead to a number of issues, and more is not always better.

I'd say if you can go for a 400D, it's bound to be worth it, but ending up with a 350D and perhaps spending the difference on better glass, will yield just as good results - if not better!

Cheers,
James
 
It sounds to me like the ramblings of someone trying to sell their 350D.
 
It sounds to me like the ramblings of someone trying to sell their 350D.

Agreed.

As said above I would be tempted to buy a 350 and put the difference towards a new lens. The kit lens is good in my opinion, but you will probably want to shoot further than 55mm at some stage :) The 400 is a damn good camera though, but the 350 is just as good (unless you really need the larger screen and higher megapixels)
 
I'm sure I have said this at least 5 or 6 times over the last few months...

If I had to start over again I would not buy the 350 but I now have it and with all it's shortfalls it remains an excellent little camera.

The 400D (in my 2 days of experience with it) is not worthwhile over the 350 unless they can be had for the same price.

Under similar conditions and settings I also found the 350's colours to be much more faithful.

The dust cleaning thing is a gimmick - IMHO.

The bigger screen is nice and 2 million more pixies is hardly worthwhile - as has been said already too.

The eye proximity cut-off sensor to the screen is also nice...

BOTTOM LINE?

GET A 30D
 
...or a 20D, given the 30D has very few benefits over it's predecessor bar a larger screen and spot metering?

A used 20D would leave you cash for some glass. Of course, used gear isn't for everyone, but I've always been happy buying used as you get a lot more for yer hardearned.

Cheers,
James
 
...or a 20D, given the 30D has very few benefits over it's predecessor bar a larger screen and spot metering?

A used 20D would leave you cash for some glass. Of course, used gear isn't for everyone, but I've always been happy buying used as you get a lot more for yer hardearned.

Cheers,
James

:agree: :agree: :agree:

TBH I personally wouldn't buy 2nd hand but there is a lot of truth in the sentiment here.


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