24-70 2.8 or 24-105 L

Danny133 said:
look the lens is for indoors under strobes BUT its my only lens so if i want a photo of my cat taking a dump i have to use the 105 .. and the crap stinks! its soft whereever and not sharp .. doesnt matter if its f11 or f4 .. its dodgy

the 7D is gods gift to me .. its fantastic
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You have a 7D now? Wow thats 3 cameras in as many months!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stick with some of the kit you have and learn it inside out before jumping to another piece of kit.

Thanks

Zoe
 
rereg2010 said:
You have a 7D now? Wow thats 3 cameras in as many months!

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stick with some of the kit you have and learn it inside out before jumping to another piece of kit.

Thanks

Zoe
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with respect you dont know how the 7D came into my hands so ...
 
Hi Danny

Loving the comments above.

My advice is to either: a. play with microadjust, b. just get the 24-105 checked over by Fixation or Elstree or whereever or c. just pass it on if it does not meet your standards and get the 24-70L.

IMHO, the latter is a good lens at f2.8 and fantastic at f3.2. Either way it is sharper than the 24-104 at large apertures (small f). On the 24-70L the USM is virtually silent, it focusses super fast and has maximum pose value. Doubt you will have any issues with the 24-70L.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.
 
because im sick of people telling my im thick or im stupid or i need to make my mind up


ITS MY MONEY! I have dislexia so my english skills arent great sorry if im not as intelligent as all you rich bankers. I come here for advice not for people to mock me and insult my intelligence.

Its rude and i just find it pathetic. Half of these people wouldnt say boo to me in the real world yet on a computer people become keyboard warriors and like to start winding me up.

If you have nothing nice or constructive to say then dont say anything
 
Dan,
People are trying to help you, it just seems like if they don't say what you want to hear then you dismiss what they are saying in not a particularly pleasant manner, that then gets their backs up. The comment in the above post of yours about rich bankers and saying boo to you in the real world really will not help you.

Have you done what I suggested earlier in this thread?
 
Davec223 said:
Dan,
People are trying to help you, it just seems like if they don't say what you want to hear then you dismiss what they are saying in not a particularly pleasant manner, that then gets their backs up. The comment in the above post of yours about rich bankers and saying boo to you in the real world really will not help you.

Have you done what I suggested earlier in this thread?
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No dave - my local store dont have another so ive called them and they have ordered one in and im going on friday when it arrives to look

so yes i have taken your advice
 
Excellent stuff Dan, hope you get it sorted Friday.
 
Danny,

Will you have a second lens in the near future? This would possibly help determine the best lens(es) setup.

The initial requirement was for a focal length wider than your 50mmf1.4 for indoor home studio work and a body to control flashes via ETTL.

Now I am also torn between a 24-70 and 17-55 - and you can see from my sig that I'll have overlap and a form of backup with kit lenses, an UWA and a nifty.

Now having just acquired your 7D I'm guessing that full frame is not a potential step in the near future. I have yet to decide where to upgrade, stick with crop or go full frame - hence my decision on the 24-70 and 17-55 and the current overlap.

I linked a 17-55 'quote' on another thread from The Digital Picture, the author claiming it is sharper at every focal length than a 24-70. I think most people agree this is the best lens bar none for a crop sensor at this range.

The 24-70 is regarded as quite a big/heavy walkabout lens - this may or may not be an issue. I think this could possibly be the best lens to put your mind at rest although I think you also like the range of 24-105.

Maybe you could acquire a 17-55 and a 85mm1.8 for the price of a 24-70.

If you really aren't happy then you can always sell on.
 
Danny133 said:
because im sick of people telling my im thick or im stupid or i need to make my mind up
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Maybe its because every 2 hours, you post up a "what should I get" thread, we all help you and you then go do the opposite of what everyone said anyway and them moan afterwards that what you got isnt right.

I seem to remember saying to you, you should get an f/2.8 lens as you can make an f/2.8 into an f/4, you cant do the reverse. You explicitly said you didnt neeed nor want an f/2.8 lens... Now you are asking if you should buy an f/2.8 lens.

Open your eyes and see why maybe people are getting a bit frustraed and taking a dig. Yes its your money, but dont waste our time asking all the questions if you arent going to follow the advice given.
 
Davec223 said:
Excellent stuff Dan, hope you get it sorted Friday.
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me too

AndyB1976 said:
Danny,

Will you have a second lens in the near future? This would possibly help determine the best lens(es) setup.

id like to think so - ive heard 70-200 is a good portrait lens .. my brothers just bought one so if i like his that is my next choice

The initial requirement was for a focal length wider than your 50mmf1.4 for indoor home studio work and a body to control flashes via ETTL.

still is .. i have wide as i now have 24 and i have up to 70 which is ideal range for me ..

Now I am also torn between a 24-70 and 17-55 - and you can see from my sig that I'll have overlap and a form of backup with kit lenses, an UWA and a nifty.

i dont use UWAs so see it as a waste

Now having just acquired your 7D I'm guessing that full frame is not a potential step in the near future. I have yet to decide where to upgrade, stick with crop or go full frame - hence my decision on the 24-70 and 17-55 and the current overlap.

it was a want but not for some years now i have the 7 .. the 7 has better weather sealing and performance than the current 5DII and its newer so ill stick with this until we see a 7DII i think ..

I linked a 17-55 'quote' on another thread from The Digital Picture, the author claiming it is sharper at every focal length than a 24-70. I think most people agree this is the best lens bar none for a crop sensor at this range.

The 24-70 is regarded as quite a big/heavy walkabout lens - this may or may not be an issue. I think this could possibly be the best lens to put your mind at rest although I think you also like the range of 24-105.

Maybe you could acquire a 17-55 and a 85mm1.8 for the price of a 24-70.

If you really aren't happy then you can always sell on.
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my answers in red :)

TCR4x4 said:
Maybe its because every 2 hours, you post up a "what should I get" thread, we all help you and you then go do the opposite of what everyone said anyway and them moan afterwards that what you got isnt right.

I seem to remember saying to you, you should get an f/2.8 lens as you can make an f/2.8 into an f/4, you cant do the reverse. You explicitly said you didnt neeed nor want an f/2.8 lens... Now you are asking if you should buy an f/2.8 lens.

Open your eyes and see why maybe people are getting a bit frustraed and taking a dig. Yes its your money, but dont waste our time asking all the questions if you arent going to follow the advice given.
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ive followed lots of advice
 
Danny133 said:
because im sick of people telling my im thick or im stupid or i need to make my mind up


ITS MY MONEY! I have dislexia so my english skills arent great sorry if im not as intelligent as all you rich bankers. I come here for advice not for people to mock me and insult my intelligence.

Its rude and i just find it pathetic. Half of these people wouldnt say boo to me in the real world yet on a computer people become keyboard warriors and like to start winding me up.

If you have nothing nice or constructive to say then dont say anything
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Your English is a damn sight better than some on here.....don't take it to heart.
 
jerry12953 said:
Your English is a damn sight better than some on here.....don't take it to heart.
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He spelt Dyslexia wrong though :D Always wondered why they made that word so akward to spell.
 
Danny133 said:
I have dislexia so my english skills arent great sorry if im not as intelligent as all you rich bankers. I come here for advice not for people to mock me and insult my intelligence.
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I'm not sure what dyslexia has to do with your inability to take advice or make decisions?
 
The 17-55mm is not a UWA. It's FOV in 35mm is 27-88mm i think.
 
TCR4x4 said:
He spelt Dyslexia wrong though :D Always wondered why they made that word so akward to spell.
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yeah hilarious

redddraggon said:
I'm not sure what dyslexia has to do with your inability to take advice or make decisions?
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nothing - but being called thick and stupid and other things revolving around it is quite nasty and i dont see the need to name call or pick on people
 
Danny133 said:
yeah hilarious



nothing - but being called thick and stupid and other things revolving around it is quite nasty and i dont see the need to name call or pick on people
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Oh, Lighten up FFS. I have "Dyslexia" too. I cant spell for toffee and I cant add up for caramel. Just get on with it and take a joke as a joke.
 
Danny133 said:
.. the 7 has better weather sealing and performance than the current 5DII and its newer so ill stick with this until we see a 7DII i think ..
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The 7D has the same level of weather sealing as the 5DII, to quote Canon which is a bit vague, 'the same weather sealing as the EOS 1N'. Unfortunately that has not been detailed to my knowledge.
 
seltechpc said:
The 7D has the same level of weather sealing as the 5DII, to quote Canon which is a bit vague, 'the same weather sealing as the EOS 1N'. Unfortunately that has not been detailed to my knowledge.
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my comment was purely based upon reviews and people saying the 7d took more of a bashing than the 5d before it showed issues
 
danny,

I see from your website that you're offering high-res files for £10.

You're doing no-one any favours by offering photos at such a dirt cheap price.

Lets just say the management of Ipswich Docks were looking for an image to promote their facility. They could buy your rather excellent pic off you for £10 and use it for billboards, posters, adverts in trade journals, on their website, etc, etc.

It would be worth FAR FAR more than £10 to them.

Pricing images is difficult but do be careful. The value of photographs has plummetted in recent years and this is one of the reasons why.

I'm sorry if this has added insult to injury.:)
 
At the very least put a rider on the digital sales stating that they are for not commercial or editorial use at that price!
 
Now I am also torn between a 24-70 and 17-55 - and you can see from my sig that I'll have overlap and a form of backup with kit lenses, an UWA and a nifty.

i dont use UWAs so see it as a waste


You say you dont need UWA, but the image you posted was a wide panoramic stich?
 
jerry12953 said:
danny,

I see from your website that you're offering high-res files for £10.

You're doing no-one any favours by offering photos at such a dirt cheap price.

Lets just say the management of Ipswich Docks were looking for an image to promote their facility. They could buy your rather excellent pic off you for £10 and use it for billboards, posters, adverts in trade journals, on their website, etc, etc.

It would be worth FAR FAR more than £10 to them.

Pricing images is difficult but do be careful. The value of photographs has plummetted in recent years and this is one of the reasons why.

I'm sorry if this has added insult to injury.:)
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DemiLion said:
At the very least put a rider on the digital sales stating that they are for not commercial or editorial use at that price!
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didnt know any of that so thats just some very valuable advice thank you very much ..

how much would you suggest i sold images for?
 
matt b said:
Now I am also torn between a 24-70 and 17-55 - and you can see from my sig that I'll have overlap and a form of backup with kit lenses, an UWA and a nifty.

i dont use UWAs so see it as a waste


You say you dont need UWA, but the image you posted was a wide panoramic stich?
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no it was taken at 24mm ISO 400 F11 on a 30 second exposure ..

i then cropped the top and bottom of it out to create a panorama .. i could of taken 4 or 5 shots side by side at 70mm and achieved a very similar image ...

its all about perceptiion of image .. photography is art - there is no right or wrong .. no1 told picasso his daffodils were crap because it was the wrong colour yellow .. if your happy with the image its your art so thats fine ..

this is why i dont see the need for a UWA .. ive achieved a good WA picture with 24 on a crop ..

On reading many tog books (i have about 10 stacked here to read now) all suggest landscape togging is best done at around 70mm anyway .. why? god knows havnt got that far
 
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Danny133 said:
didnt know any of that so thats just some very valuable advice thank you very much ..

how much would you suggest i sold images for?
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That is something that you would need to work out for each specific client, if it's commercial - how much it's worth to them, how they are going to use it, for how long, where etc etc.
 
in other words dont have a generic pricing approach?
 
Alamy are selling shots of the same area, but not as good as yours for £35 for a 450 pixel image with the follwing terms.
1 year,
1 placement.
1 website

So make of that what you will. You are selling your image with no terms at a higher res for £10. Definately under selling yourself.
 
For corporates, correct. For general selling (ie buy your pretty print here) then generic is fine, but it depends on which market it's for.

For example an 9x6 event photo of yourself will cost between £10-15 un/mounted. That same size from a portrait photographer could be £100+. A landscape print from a stock site could be £5 whereas a limited edition print on archival paper again could be £80-100 (although that's pushing it for a 9x6).

Price to the market, style and type of photo. Be realistic about what standard your photos are and price accordingly in context with how others are charging.
 
Ok so how about if I charge by print size?

And have an option for digital download?

Ie

6x4
7x5
8x6 etc
 
I also can't take my website seriously .. I look at it and it looks like I made it at school?

Any feeback on style ..
 
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